July 2001 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Meeting yesterday and welcome to new members of the list
by Philip Hands 07 Jul '03

07 Jul '03

Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> writes: > I've just subscribed various people to the list - please post a > message to say hello and introduce yourselves. Hi, If you were at the meeting, I was wearing a Debian t-shirt (with a red swirl logo on it) --- there's a photo at the top of this article, where I'm wearing similar stuff (except for the penguin ;-) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue6/lu6-Editorial-A_patently_bad_ide… I'm a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and run the UK Debian mirror, and am responsible for producing the Debian official CD images: http://www.uk.debian.org/ http://cdimage.debian.org/ I have only a peripheral interest in educational matters, in that I've been frustrated in the past in my efforts to provide free computers (which were otherwise destined for a skip), but I can certainly contribute on a technical side, and having been involved in Debian (which is completely voluntary, like OSIE is expected to be) since 1996 I may be able to make some suggestions about how to ``organise'' such a thing. For those of you who've not come across Debian before, we're a world-wide voluntary organisation (read, chaotic jumble of mailing lists) that puts together a Linux distribution (and soon a HURD distribution) and gives it away. Debian doesn't pay people to do this, and doesn't sell what it produces, and in most legal senses doesn't really exist (i.e. the machines in the mirror network mostly belong to people like me, rather than to Debian, and the bandwidth is donated rather than paid for). This probably gives a pretty good feel for what Debian is all about: http://www.uk.debian.org/social_contract which you will notice leads into the The Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), which is where the Open Source Definition came from. My internet machine, that hosts the Debian UK mirror, may be of use to OSIE, since it has about 30GB of spare disk, and a 20Mbit/s connection at a well connected ISP. This machine could act as either a primary host or mirror site for the web site, and could do DNS secondarying etc. as well. Something I'd be interested in working on (although perhaps a SuSE list is not the right place to spend too much time discussing this ;-) would be producing Debian CD images, tuned to the needs of educational users. Debian has accumulated some funds in the UK, and have been looking for a worthwhile cause to spend them on (we never really need to pay for anything that actually makes Debian work, so don't have much use for money), so we could probably afford to have a few thousand CDs pressed, and send them out to schools that are interested. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ Philip Hands. +44 (0)20 7744 6244 philip.hands(a)uk.alcove.com Alcove UK --- Liberating Software --- http://www.alcove.com/ http://www.hands.com/ phil(a)hands.com http://www.uk.debian.org/

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Netscape LAn settings
by D.Selby 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

hi i am new to linex and am seting up one pc for us to experment on i can get it to access the web i think i need to setup the Lan setting i know wher it is in M$ IE but not in Netscape can any one help

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Problems with FTP
by Simon Wood 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Williams [SMTP:david@williams333.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 12:27 AM > To: Suse > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Problems with FTP > > Another easy to answer question - I hope. > > My annual fiddle with the server - sort out user accounts etc. I upgraded > to SuSE 7.2 (new installation) but was suprised to find that I couldn't > telnet or ftp into the newly setup box. I then found that inetd was not on > be default. Changed that in yast and I can now telnet. I still can't ftp > into the box. I've looked through the documentation without any success. [Simon Wood] Firstly check to ensure that you have installed a ftp server. Secondly, you can check the file '/etc/inetd.conf' to ensure that the port for ftp is calling the correct command. i.e my old SuSE system has: # ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd wu.ftpd -a # ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd proftpd # ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.ftpd The '#' means that all are disabled. Select the server you wish to use and remove the appropriate '#'. Hope this gets you going.... Simon Wood.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Problems with FTP
by Edgehill e-mail service 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

We get round this by using a SSH terminal client for admin tasks (from my Windows box, I use PuTTY (courtesy of Simon Tatham)) or by using VNC from any box. Not, I hasten to add, a perfect solution, but PuTTY is extremely configurable and flexible. If anyone wants the Win9x version, I would be happy to e-mail (offlist) the binary (220k) as Simon has made this available as freeware. Regards, Paul <SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net> ---------- > From: Dave Williams <david(a)williams333.freeserve.co.uk> > To: Suse <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Problems with FTP > Date: 29 July 2001 00:26 > > Another easy to answer question - I hope. > > My annual fiddle with the server - sort out user accounts etc. I upgraded > to SuSE 7.2 (new installation) but was suprised to find that I couldn't > telnet or ftp into the newly setup box. I then found that inetd was not on > be default. Changed that in yast and I can now telnet. I still can't ftp > into the box. I've looked through the documentation without any success. > > Any ideas. > > Dave > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > >

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Problems with FTP
by Dave Williams 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

Another easy to answer question - I hope. My annual fiddle with the server - sort out user accounts etc. I upgraded to SuSE 7.2 (new installation) but was suprised to find that I couldn't telnet or ftp into the newly setup box. I then found that inetd was not on be default. Changed that in yast and I can now telnet. I still can't ftp into the box. I've looked through the documentation without any success. Any ideas. Dave

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Licensing Costs.....
by Coulton,G 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

All Prices with a MS Select Agreement Windows NT = GBP 110 Win2K Pro = GBP 90 MSO 2K = GBP 90 As for other prices. Not too sure :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Evans [mailto:mpe@st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk] > Sent: 27 July 2001 11:25 > To: mherbert(a)redhat.com > Cc: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Licensing Costs..... > > > > hi all > > > > i've been asked by a journolists to come up with some > atypical licensing > > costs for schools, to look at just the upfront savings of > going open source. > > Windows and Office (education licence) is approximatly £150. > > So long as you can still buy Win9X and Office 2000. > > > i've already got figures based around 3-year managed > services (cheapest NGfL > > 950 per seat/per annum), Red Hat / LTSP new kit £500 per > seat / per annum), > > but like to break them down. > > That £500 looks more like an outright price for everything. > Rather than an annual price. > > -- > Mark Evans > St. Peter's CofE High School > Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 > Fax: +44 1392 204763 > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com >

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Licensing fees
by Paul Munro 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

Microsoft do offer some very good deals when you consider educational subsidisation etc., and not just for schools per se. For students and teachers (as well as parents of students), MS offer the student license deal which has helped us purchase otherwise extremely costly software! For schools, when I worked at our local Tec College, the price per seat was around £50, and £1500 for the server(s) I'm pretty sure (but this came with some support). Someone (Vernon Levy) raised the spectre of lesson content, and said that it shouldn't matter too much whether we teach OS concepts or not, implying possibly that ICT only has a support element when connected with education (to enrich existing subjects through the use of ICT). This is why (I feel) ICT in this country is going down the pan! This is also not helped by the MS dominance in the educational market, since Windows isn't good for teaching OS concepts anyway. Applications such as word processing can be taught no matter the application used, and the underlying concepts are so important that knowing how to change fonts in, say, Word, isn't enough to do it in Application X or Y in another OS (though an extreme and useless example, I know ;-) OS concepts in particular are important for introducing budding hackers (not crackers) to computing power and application, and can lead to interest in other areas such as scientific applications of IT, programming, networking skills, development, and so on. Merely teaching Windows and Office will NOT IMO help bring up through the ranks enough skilled young people to make a difference in the UKs fast sinking skills base. The primary functions of operating systems is not necessarily to enrich the learning experience, though they certainly can do that, but instead to offer an interface between the user and the system resources to enable a more productive environment. This is what students need to learn- why an operating system works the way it does, when it does, what you can do with it, and how you can customise it to make it do things FOR you not only WITH you. Enough of that, I'll go back to learning real ICT ;-) Paul

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PHP4
by Colin McQueen 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

Hi Can someone explain the best way to get PHP4 running as a module in Apache from SUSE 6.4 if I have already installed so have Apache and PHP3 running? PHP4 is installed as far as I can see using locate. I must admit to finding Yast a little difficult to use for this as I'm not familiar with what the menus cover. I used locate to find out if PHP4 for on the HD. Would people recommend a move to 7.2? This is to run on a single box on our network and act as an Intranet server with MySQL PHP4 for database handling. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T

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deployment on multiple machines
by Phil Driscoll 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

Progress on getting a good system running on the 32Mb machines we've been given is going well. At some point over the summer holidays, we are going to need to install a working system on 123 machines. The machines all have 'blank' hard drives, a floppy drive and onboard realtek ethernet NIC. I cannot guarantee that all the hard drives are identical, although they are all about 3Gb. The final setup on the machines will be basically Suse 7.2 with some tweaks - I guess a lightweight kernel and, it currently looks like a hacked version of icewm with all 'toys' removed. All machines will be identical apart from IP address (fixed) and hostname. It would be great to have a boot floppy which would bootstrap an installation over the network. Does anyone have any experience in this area? Any advice on suitable technologies gratefully received. Cheers -- Phil Driscoll

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MS
by ptaylor 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

Hi Malcolm: We have recently purchased some licenses for Win machines and paid £35 for Win 9X, NT and 2000 per machine which I believe is the educational price? Paul

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