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Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: openSUSE:Tools dropped 11.3 repo already?
  • From: Archie Cobbs <archie.cobbs@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:34:44 -0600
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On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Adrian Schröter <adrian@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Am Montag, 13. Februar 2012, 22:13:54 schrieb Adam Spiers:
Archie Cobbs (archie.cobbs@xxxxxxxxx) wrote:
Why? First, it is worth observing that the very nature of OBS makes it
difficult to pursue that goal. Because in OBS, for any project/package
there is only one spec file - and therefore package version - for ALL

It is the easiest way, but there are also other ways with multiple spec files.

In other words, it would be impossible for a maintainer to configure a
package to build foobar-1.2 on openSUSE 11.3 but foobar-2.1 on
openSUSE 12.1.


So what happens? They either try to shoehorn foobar-2.1 onto 11.3,
with lots of resulting build issues, or if that becomes too hard they
just drop support for 11.3 or leave the build broken.

Some brave projects are willing to spawn sub-projects for each
openSUSE version, e.g. Virtualization:openSUSE11.3. But this is
unwieldy and hard to manage, and as a result most projects don't
bother to do this.

that makes no sense usually. You can still build against
DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.3 from same project. It is just that an absolute
minority wants to support that at all.

Adrian I'm sure you're getting tired of this conversation thread, and me too.

I'm am going to give up trying to suggest solutions because I don't
have the knowledge that you do and you can see all the flaws in my
naive ideas.

So let me just describe the problem one last time and ask you to
please suggest the right answer.

Right now it is impossible to (re)build our openSUSE 11.3-based server
because, to take just ONE EXAMPLE, the mapserver package is not
available for 11.3. This is because the Application:Geo/openSUSE_11.3
repo was destroyed.

Also, mapserver does not exist in any of the
DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.3 repos, or Evergreen, or anywhere else.

So that's the problem: I need to be able to build and support servers
that last more than 18 months and it's become practically impossible.

And I really don't think I am in a "small minority" in that need.

I love openSUSE and the OBS. Unfortunately, while the idea of creating
OBS was a brilliant one, the idea of forcing openSUSE to live within
its constraints has this bad unintended side-effect.

Adrian please use your wisdom and help think of how the problem I've
described might be improved.


Archie L. Cobbs
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