https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215649 ------- Comment #8 from marcio.ferreira@gmail.com 2006-10-28 08:12 MST ------- First of all, its that easy to remove zmd from the kde pattern. Yes, it completely is. You are thinking about the 0.00000057% of the users that will install kde and then want to install gnome? What about the other 99.99999%? Give me a break. Not that it wouldnt be very simple to add zmd to the gnome pattern, right? So this point seems to me simply a "lets find a reason not to do it, no matter how lame it will sound". The second point: zypper wont sync with zmd. For all that I see in why this program exist its the greter objective of it to NOT sync with zmd. There is completely no point in having it if it should sync with zmd. My solution to this "problem": create a hack to force zmd get the data from zypp. SUSE people msut be expert in some of those hacks, really shouldnt be a problem, I think. Add to cron a way to sync it or check, dunno. Not kde users problem. Acceptance of zmd: only people that has completely no understanding about what zmd does can find it is good or even have a neutral position about it. Adding it was a shame political decision. Period. One exception would be that they would like the command line interface of rug, but they will want the command line interface, and not zmd. Since for years, lots of suse users were begging for a command line interface and SUSE never answered to that. And if somebody points that it brings a cli interface, I will have to say that then it should have been added a command line interface to YaST PM, and not all this circus called zmd (y2pmsh, anyone?). And the alst point: there is a qt updater to work with yast, the opensuse updater. This solves the last point of removing zmd (the first is the command line interface, taht is zypper). So why not add the opensuse updater to gnome default too? Im pretty sure users couldnt care less if they will use a qt or a gtk applet in the tray? I asked that because I kinda already know the answer, but I want to hear somebody from SUSE saying it. I thnk Im goin to read that its not possible to have a qt applet in gnome, that would be bad and bla bla bla... But the points is that kde users were forced to swallow the gtk zen updater in 10.1. It would be really (yet another) lame excuse to say its not possible to do it. Saying "oh, the horror, a qt updater in gnome" is valid but saying "oh, a gtk zen applet in kde" was not a issue. What I think is that the so called rules for release times, stability concerns, etc sometimes are valid and sometimes are not valid in opensuse world. To add zmd, they were not valid, screw the rules. To add the kde back in business with zypper and the updater applet, its like "oh, it needs a lot of testing", "it may not be ready" or "this can harm gnome". But for creating this mess the rules were clearly ignored. So I ask myself: what are the rules of the game? Anybody from SUSE Labs can answer this? Andreas? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.