December 2012 - openSUSE Artwork - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-artwork] SCaLE 11x Banner help?
by Drew Adams 01 Feb '13

01 Feb '13

Hey everyone, Those of us involved with working the openSUSE booth for SCaLE 11x 2013 had the great idea for a custom banner for the booth... one problem though... we don't have a design, and non of us are skilled in computer graphics. If there is anyone who could help us design a Southern California themed banner, that would be very helpful. Thanks, -- Drew Adams Member & Ambassador, openSUSE Project -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-artwork] Artwork for openSUSE 12.3
by Marcus Moeller 03 Jan '13

03 Jan '13

Hi all. As the 12.3 release date gets closer, we should focus on preparing the artwork, now. From what I can see, we got proposals from Victor: http://paste.opensuse.org/44822206 and the one Ivan, Richard and I was working on: http://marcusmoeller.ch/share/oS/12_3/grow_05.png The latter has been prepared to work well with the produkt-based Plasma theme that is in testing in K:D:F and Factory right now. There are already a lot of submissions on the flickr page, but from what I can see, at least the non-photographic designs, does not fullfil our logo guidelines. The photos could of course be bundled to a supplementary wallpaper package. (who will do the work?) I would like to suggest to push the above two proposals to factory and continue working on it. We would also gain more feedback this way. Is that okay for you? Greets Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-artwork] Regular Meetings Proposal
by Andres Silva 01 Jan '13

01 Jan '13

Given recent discussions on the course and understanding that the artwork team should do/not do and the many suggestions from our members for extra communication between us, there has been ideas a proposals in the past for holding regular meetings in our team. I would like to do this because it helps very much, even if we don't have much to discuss, it helps in making sure that we are all on the same page and also provide help for others. Extra coordination can bring better results and keep our contributors on schedule for release artwork or marketing requests. Meetings are also a public event that people can attend on IRC. Work to be done after them would go as a summary email on the list and we could be more clear about our efforts. What do you think? every 1 week, every 2 weeks? monthly? Etc. Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-artwork] openSUSE 12.3 concept proposal: grow
by Richard Brown 31 Dec '12

31 Dec '12

>>> "Richard Brown" 12/22/12 8:16 PM >>> >This version of the design is now in the artwork github here: >https://github.com/openSUSE/artwork/tree/master/Wallpapers/12.3/grow > > >A slightly tweaked version, which includes the first svg files for each aspect ratio in preparation for packaging can be >found in the ilmehtar-v0.1 subfolder https://github.com/openSUSE/artwork/tree/master/Wallpapers/12.3/grow/ilmeht… > > >And you can follow my progress producing everything needed for the openSUSE branding package in my fork of the >openSUSE branding github repo here: https://github.com/sysrich/branding And for those who might be interested..the package based on the product of running make against the openSUSE branding repository has been submitted for entry to factory https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/146283 The result isn't perfect, not by a long shot - the conversion to JPG seems to have caused 'clumps' to form on the noise, I think my quick and dirty work on improving the gradients and glows isn't ideal, etc etc But it's a start, and if accepted it'll be in factory for the entire factory testing community to provide feedback on..and hopefully they'll find this mailing list and throw most of their feedback in here so we dont need to look around quite so much My first priority is to look into generating the noise via vector rather than raster means, in the hope that it might help smooth things out in the conversion process (and even if it doesn't, it should dramatically reduce the filesize, which I think the Release Team might object to, being over double the previous branding size..) But just because I'm doing it, doesn't mean no one else can beat me to it or work on other changes..everything possible with this design is out there in either the artwork github (for playing around), the branding github (for preparation for packaging) and now in OBS (if you want to download the package and see how it 'fits' on your machine) Enjoy! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-artwork] Forgot Some Reference Links
by Andres Silva 31 Dec '12

31 Dec '12

Here is, for example, how the blender guys do their meetings and emailing. http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2012-December/038667.html http://www.blendernation.com/2012/12/24/developer-meeting-notes-december-23… Thank you Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-artwork] openSUSE 12.3 concept proposal: grow
by Richard Brown 29 Dec '12

29 Dec '12

Oh my that's pretty Is lightdm the default currently in fresh installs of factory? Richard Brown Systems Engineering Team Leader City College Brighton and Hove >>> šumski<hrvoje.senjan(a)gmail.com> 12/27/12 10:41 AM >>> On Saturday 22 of December 2012 20:39:05 Richard Brown wrote: > >>> "Richard Brown" 12/22/12 8:16 PM >>> > > > >This version of the design is now in the artwork github here: > >>https://github.com/openSUSE/artwork/tree/master/Wallpapers/12.3/grow > > > > > >A slightly tweaked version, which includes the first svg files for each > >aspect ratio in preparation for packaging can be >found in the > >ilmehtar-v0.1 subfolder > >https://github.com/openSUSE/artwork/tree/master/Wallpapers/12.3/grow/ilmeh > >tar-v0.1 > > > > > >And you can follow my progress producing everything needed for the openSUSE > >branding package in my fork of the >openSUSE branding github repo here: > >https://github.com/sysrich/branding > And for those who might be interested..the package based on the product of > running make against the openSUSE branding repository has been submitted > for entry to factory https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/146283 > > And here's a screenshot of lightdm KDE greeter utilizing our plasma theme and the branding you packaged :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-artwork] Travel Support Program Logo
by Victor hck 26 Dec '12

26 Dec '12

Hi Geekos! I have been playing with Inkscape, and I have create some proposals for a Travel Support Program Logo Here you can check it: - https://www.dropbox.com/s/bu7dnm95xoio8it/TSP1.png - https://www.dropbox.com/s/wrn9ys90ydsq1z1/TSP2.png - https://www.dropbox.com/s/99ofh90m7nn120y/TSP3.png - https://www.dropbox.com/s/srlwpeposcou9bk/TSP4.png - https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh67ly6d3z5ydhy/TSP5.png Hope you like... ;) Bye! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-artwork] Food for thought (RE: Artwork contributions)
by Richard Brown 26 Dec '12

26 Dec '12

Hi All, I found this article from a few years ago, which seems increasingly relevant given the recent tone of discussions on this mailinglist. I'd recommend that everyone reads it http://www.itworld.com/open-source/101641/open-source-not-democracy While I think it's broadly reassuring that the issues we are facing here are not unique to ourselves, I think we could all benefit from learning the same lessons that Ubuntu, Debian, and others have learnt before us. Working in open source is not a democracy, and at the end of the day someone has to do the work to turn a design idea into a package in openSUSE factory. For those of us with the skills to do this, I encourage you to help, pitch in, and ideally work collaboratively to turn a single design into the best it can be for openSUSE 12.3. I feel competition has not served the artwork process in openSUSE well, and strongly encourage everyone to pitch in and co-operate. Only 1 design can be the default in 12.3, and if we have more than a few people actually helping make it better, then it's our users who benefit, as well as the project, while we all learn from the experience. Alternatively, if you do not feel this is the best way forward, feel free to continue as you are, feel free to develop and package up a second design, and when the Release Team see conflicting submissions of your design alongside the Grow design from Ivan, Marcus and myself, then we'll all get to have a fun time negotiating with them to decide which one ends up in the final release In the meantime, I'm packaging up what Ivan, Marcus and Myself have produced to date, and I expect to have it submitted to openSUSE factory by the end of the day For those of you without the skills to see a design through to packaging and submission, don't be discouraged. We DO want your feedback, we do want your advice, we do want your ideas. But at the end of the day, someone has to do the work to turn those ideas into reality, and sometimes that means it'll end up being 'our take' on your ideas, rather a perfect reflection of your vision. Of course, this is open source, and everything we are doing is open, out there for you to learn from - if any of you wish to learn what it takes to produce artwork that can actually be used with the current openSUSE distribution, or wish to learn in order to change what can be used, then great, pitch in, get cracking, and feel free to ask me for advice But lets call an end to the squabbling and get on with the building - Milestone 2 is already out the door and we don't even have a draft in Factory yet. Let's see if we can get something acceptable to most in and at least partially polished by the first Beta so we can spend the period between Beta and Release improving it based on everyone's feedback, including the regulars of this channel Regards Richard Brown RBrownCCB(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-artwork] Food for thought (RE: Artwork contributions)
by Richard Brown 26 Dec '12

26 Dec '12

>>> "DuBois, Scott L." 12/26/12 6:33 AM >>> >I have one question at the moment which I would be delighted to get >your advice on Richard? What could the Artwork Team have done better >or direction should have taken to be more focused and less chaotic in >the design process? Or to put my answer much more succinctly - my desire is to see the team focusing more on producing viable artworks for the distribution, ideally through collaborative, iterative approaches like mine and Marcus. Historically, I think this group has been distracted by competitions rather than cooperation, long discussions about concepts, and not necessarily putting the work required to make them into reality -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-artwork] Food for thought (RE: Artwork contributions)
by Richard Brown 26 Dec '12

26 Dec '12

>>> "DuBois, Scott L." 12/26/12 6:33 AM >>> >I have one question at the moment which I would be delighted to get >your advice on Richard? What could the Artwork Team have done better >or direction should have taken to be more focused and less chaotic in >the design process? Personally, I'm of the mind that thinks a little chaos is good for anycreative process If you look across the rest of the openSUSE project, its rare, if not unheard of, for any of the other teams, groups, or individuals contributing to have a focused, premeditated, well thought out goal for the next openSUSE release, nor a plan on how to achieve that goal. What happens more often than not is that contributors will state their aspirations - ie. the GNOME Team always wants to release the latest stable GNOME version, some people wanted systemd available and then the default, so on and so forth. Not all of these aspirations will be achieved, and more often than not we end up with other new features being thrown in from unexpected sources, or coming together as an unexpected result of other work - I see this a lot working with the Marketing side of things, people would always like a list of what new features are in the latest version of openSUSE before release date, but it's impossible to produce a comprehensive one until the feature freeze very late in the development process, and even then things are liable to change. And to me, that's a good thing, the inherent chaos of open source done 'right' often generates more ideas and better results, because it inspires thoughts and gets people thinking along unexpected lines. Drawing this back towards Artwork, I'm seeing the benefits of that chaos apply in our work on the Grow design so far. While it's true me and Marcus often see eye to eye on stuff, there is a bit of a language barrier (his English is a heck of a lot better than my Swiss), and both of us are very busy and don't often get much time to sit down and chat about our ideas. So in the end, what we end up doing is throwing together our ideas in a new SVG file and throwing out an email with 'what do you think?' (and this is a practice we continue in this mailing list and the artwork github) We don't often bother replying with thoughts or ideas, instead we take that SVG, apply our changes and fire it back with yet another "what do you think now?" If we likes it, it sticks and we'll end up keeping those changes in his next version we produce, if one of us doesn't, that change will probably quietly slip out of the next version sent about - sometimes we take the hint and drop the ideas we had, sometimes we don't and reapply our ideas, but trying to do it a little better - and this is often the point when we might actually grab each other in IRC or email and start talking - it may sound weird, but we generally seem to work best with an 'art first, talk later' approach This approach seems to be scaling well too - Marcus has been working with Ivan who's also been contributing to the grow design - i've never met Ivan, I've never properly spoken to Ivan, I honestly have no idea what their thoughts are or their direction for this design is going.. But I like a lot of the changes I've seen him make, and kept them when I've then made some more changes while packaging it up for Factory - and if he or Marcus or anyone else doesn't like those latest changes, I expect to see future versions adapt the grow design to those peoples likings and hopefully in the end we end up with a finished product that is as close to perfect as our collective efforts can produce. Artwork by iteration - It's chaotic, its crazy, but it seems to work, just as it does for the code in the rest of the project. And it's not a closed process either - I've seen Michael's work taking the grow idea and merging it with his water colour concept - now I may not like the SVG or PNG's he's produced, but by producing both the PNG's and the SVG, he's given me a nice clear idea of what he's thinking, and I DO like the idea of a lighter version of the grow design, and I do like his colour choices. The fact he's produced his latest work in SVG makes it very easy for me to work with - using his chosen colours is no longer an effort with a colour picker but a simple case of opening the file in inkscape and looking at the choices he's made. So I will be taking the main 'grow' design and changing the colours to those Michael has used in his SVG, and probably tweaking the noise/filters to a more complimentary style based on his watercolour concept. And if I like the result, I'll be posting it here, and if others like it too (and possibly even if they dont) I'll package it as an alternative for 12.3, and if a bunch of people REALLY like it, then that's when we'll probably have to have a decent discussion about which one makes more sense to be the default for openSUSE 12.3 I wanted to spell that process out because, not only will I be doing that thanks to Michaels work, but I have previously used much of the other concepts and feedback posted on this mailing list in a similar way in producing what we currently know as the 'grow' design - while some of the inspirations from others concepts might be very subtle, or in some cases not visible at all, I want to make it very clear that I try my best to take on board and embrace every idea someone bothers to put together and articulate to try and help openSUSE. It all helps, it all feeds into this chaotic process, and I dont want people to believe that just because their ideas or chosen favourite don't end up in the distribution, it didn't help the process - on the contrary, it's the fuel for the engine that keeps all this moving forward Hope this helps you understand my thoughts on the benefits and strengths of this particular approach Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year - Rich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner(a)opensuse.org

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