[yast-devel] yast++ name
I wonder if 'yast++' or 'yast--' are names that might cause trouble sometime in the future because of the '+' or '-' in it. I wasn't very happy with the version number as part of the package name in yast2. Using '++' or '--' might be even worse, e.g. rpm uses '-' as delimiter. There are more examples where it might cause conflicts, I guess. What's your opinion? Thanks. Thomas -- Thomas Goettlicher SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
Thomas Goettlicher write:
I wonder if 'yast++' or 'yast--' are names that might cause trouble sometime in the future because of the '+' or '-' in it.
I wasn't very happy with the version number as part of the package name in yast2. Using '++' or '--' might be even worse, e.g. rpm uses '-' as delimiter. There are more examples where it might cause conflicts, I guess.
What's your opinion?
Thanks. Thomas
YaST++/-- is just codename for project. Packages ( now located at https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=YaST%3AHead%3Ayastpp ( not all packages packaked yet, WIP ) has own names, which is not problem for RPM. Josef -- Josef Reidinger Appliance Toolkit team maintaining parts of webyast and SLMS author of rubygems - studio_api and net_observer (coauthor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, September 02, 2011 10:58:06 am Josef Reidinger wrote:
Thomas Goettlicher write:
I wonder if 'yast++' or 'yast--' are names that might cause trouble sometime in the future because of the '+' or '-' in it.
I wasn't very happy with the version number as part of the package name in yast2. Using '++' or '--' might be even worse, e.g. rpm uses '-' as delimiter. There are more examples where it might cause conflicts, I guess.
What's your opinion?
Thanks. Thomas
YaST++/-- is just codename for project. Packages ( now located at https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=YaST%3AHead%3Ayastpp ( not all packages packaked yet, WIP ) has own names, which is not problem for RPM. Josef
The project's name is 'YaST++', in git it's called 'yast--' and the buildservice projects is 'yastpp'. That's somehow inconsistent and might confuse newbies. I'd prefer a unique name. Cheers, Thomas -- Thomas Goettlicher SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dne 2.9.2011 11:12, Thomas Goettlicher napsal(a):
YaST++/-- is just codename for project. Packages ( now located at https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=YaST%3AHead%3Ayastpp ( not all packages packaked yet, WIP ) has own names, which is not problem for RPM. Josef
The project's name is 'YaST++', in git it's called 'yast--' and the buildservice projects is 'yastpp'. That's somehow inconsistent and might confuse newbies. I'd prefer a unique name.
YaST++ is the same comparing to YaST2 as C++ to C :) At least that's how I understand the codename. yastpp just translates the ++ to pp, IMO ++ in RPM is OK as several C++ packages with ++ in their RPM name are already in our distro. I'm also for unification, but I believe ++ is not an issue. Bye Lukas - -- Lukas Ocilka, Appliances Department, SUSE LINUX s.r.o. MD: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Alena Hendrichova -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5gthoACgkQVSqMdRCqTiy0vQCeIDDb25dOgh4+1XCinjW/yAqZ JZAAn3l0e71MVgG8y5vNOMhRYNGxZu+n =K0AZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, September 02, 2011 12:55:22 pm Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Dne 2.9.2011 11:12, Thomas Goettlicher napsal(a):
YaST++/-- is just codename for project. Packages ( now located at https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=YaST%3AHead%3Ayastpp ( not all packages packaked yet, WIP ) has own names, which is not problem for RPM. Josef
The project's name is 'YaST++', in git it's called 'yast--' and the buildservice projects is 'yastpp'. That's somehow inconsistent and might confuse newbies. I'd prefer a unique name.
YaST++ is the same comparing to YaST2 as C++ to C :) At least that's how I understand the codename. Yes, YaST++ is YaST2 incremented by one. Please don't call it YaST3!
yastpp just translates the ++ to pp, IMO ++ in RPM is OK as several C++ packages with ++ in their RPM name are already in our distro. As long as + or - don't cause conflicts I'm fine with it. But you never know.
I'm also for unification, but I believe ++ is not an issue. The earlier, the better. The question is if the new name should/must contain the word 'yast". On the one hand it would be a good point in time for a new name in order to abandon all these silly myths like "yast is slow and overwrites files" cited by people who haven't used YaST for years. One the other hand the brand "YaST" has a great reputation in the community and among system administrators. According to them is YaST _the_ configuration tool that makes the difference. That's the reason why I think we should stick with the name "YaST".
Cheers, Thomas -- Thomas Goettlicher SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
Thomas Goettlicher write:
On Friday, September 02, 2011 12:55:22 pm Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Dne 2.9.2011 11:12, Thomas Goettlicher napsal(a):
YaST++/-- is just codename for project. Packages ( now located at https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=YaST%3AHead%3Ayastpp ( not all packages packaked yet, WIP ) has own names, which is not problem for RPM. Josef
The project's name is 'YaST++', in git it's called 'yast--' and the buildservice projects is 'yastpp'. That's somehow inconsistent and might confuse newbies. I'd prefer a unique name.
YaST++ is the same comparing to YaST2 as C++ to C :) At least that's how I understand the codename. Yes, YaST++ is YaST2 incremented by one. Please don't call it YaST3!
yastpp just translates the ++ to pp, IMO ++ in RPM is OK as several C++ packages with ++ in their RPM name are already in our distro. As long as + or - don't cause conflicts I'm fine with it. But you never know.
I'm also for unification, but I believe ++ is not an issue. The earlier, the better. The question is if the new name should/must contain the word 'yast". On the one hand it would be a good point in time for a new name in order to abandon all these silly myths like "yast is slow and overwrites files" cited by people who haven't used YaST for years. One the other hand the brand "YaST" has a great reputation in the community and among system administrators. According to them is YaST _the_ configuration tool that makes the difference. That's the reason why I think we should stick with the name "YaST".
Cheers, Thomas
Well, I don't care much about names, but to prevent confusion, YaST++/--/pp is not YaST2! YaST++ is project more likely to separate functionality from representation and for easy share. So it is possible ( and expected) that in future there will be together yast++, Yast for representation on desktop and WebYaST for representation on web and other possible users of functionality. If you know better name I welcome it and start using it ( as I said, I don't care much about names, more about functionality and usability ). Josef -- Josef Reidinger Appliance Toolkit team maintaining parts of webyast and SLMS author of rubygems - studio_api and net_observer (coauthor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
Dne Pá 2. září 2011 10:44:30 Thomas Goettlicher napsal(a):
I wonder if 'yast++' or 'yast--' are names that might cause trouble sometime in the future because of the '+' or '-' in it.
I wasn't very happy with the version number as part of the package name in yast2. Using '++' or '--' might be even worse, e.g. rpm uses '-' as delimiter. There are more examples where it might cause conflicts, I guess.
What's your opinion?
Just for the record, I'm for 'yast++' Jiri -- Jiri Suchomel SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: jsuchome@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 960 190 00 Praha 9, Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 10:58:06AM +0200, Josef Reidinger wrote:
Thomas Goettlicher write:
I wonder if 'yast++' or 'yast--' are names that might cause trouble sometime in the future because of the '+' or '-' in it.
I wasn't very happy with the version number as part of the package name in yast2. Using '++' or '--' might be even worse, e.g. rpm uses '-' as delimiter. There are more examples where it might cause conflicts, I guess.
What's your opinion?
YaST++/-- is just codename for project. Packages ( now located at https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=YaST%3AHead%3Ayastpp ( not all packages packaked yet, WIP ) has own names, which is not problem for RPM. Josef
I love codenames! How about Nastya? Next awesome setup tool, YaST-alike -- Martin Vidner, YaST developer http://en.opensuse.org/User:Mvidner Kuracke oddeleni v restauraci je jako fekalni oddeleni v bazenu
On Monday 12 of September 2011 11:04:11 Martin Vidner wrote:
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 10:58:06AM +0200, Josef Reidinger wrote:
Thomas Goettlicher write:
I wonder if 'yast++' or 'yast--' are names that might cause trouble sometime in the future because of the '+' or '-' in it.
I wasn't very happy with the version number as part of the package name in yast2. Using '++' or '--' might be even worse, e.g. rpm uses '-' as delimiter. There are more examples where it might cause conflicts, I guess.
What's your opinion?
YaST++/-- is just codename for project. Packages ( now located at https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=YaST%3AHead%3Ayastpp ( not all packages packaked yet, WIP ) has own names, which is not problem for RPM. Josef
I love codenames! How about Nastya? Next awesome setup tool, YaST-alike
Just keep in mind the project is about d-bus based access to the system configuration. Almost no connection to YaST. Stano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
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