On 11.11.21, 16:55, "Ladislav Slezak" <lslezak@suse.com> wrote:

On 11/4/21 2:24 PM, Imobach Gonzalez Sosa wrote:

To be honest, usually that information goes too fast, so it is nearly

impossible for me to find something useful there.

And now imagine the download and installation will happen in parallel...

My original thought was instead of a time estimation just to show a number of tasks and the current task number but I assume that parallelization could make this nearly useless as so many tasks would finish at nearly the same time after a long wait. Do we have any experience with “how parallel” the whole process will be?

I usually find release notes quite useful. If release notes are

informative and well-written, and think it might be a good idea.

The release notes are usually too technical, so they might not be

interesting all users. On the other hand I personally looked at them

several times already, which I cannot tell about the slideshow in the

past...

There is one advantage: the release notes are really updated for

each SP (or Leap) release, compare it with the slideshow note below.

+1 to Josef proposal. We could add "remaining time" information but

only if it is kind of accurate. If it is going from 5 minutes, to half

and hour to 1 minute again, then it is better not to show anything.

I'd avoid any time estimations. They are really inaccurate, we got lots

of bug reports about that.

It can never be perfect, there are so many variables so there always

be some cases when it estimates completely wrong numbers. E.g. fast SSD

vs. rotational disk, local repository vs. internet repository,

slow network vs. fast network, a small RPM but with long %post script...

Also the problem is that the estimation is very inaccurate at the

beginning and changing a lot (because of too little data). It gets

better over the time, but these days the installations are pretty quick,

at the time when the estimation settles down and proposes some realistic

value the installation is almost over...

IMHO this is the best opportunity to get rid of that slideshow for

good.

It has been in zombie state for many years, yet it was always in the

way.

Yes, please, let's get rid of it.

IMHO a slideshow would be nice to have. But it must contain some

interesting features, nice screenshots, etc... It must be really

interesting for readers.

And most importantly it must be regularly updated and maintained,

showing still the same texts and outdated screenshots is worse

than no slideshow at all.

And because I expect nobody will maintain the slideshow for us

then rather do not support it at all...

I agree. It would need to be

done properly
specific to each product variant(?)
updated regularly.

#1 is do-able but 2&3 are hard to promise as they require regular effort from other functions.

Thinking a little bit further, would it make sense to unify the

packages installation progress and the finish clients screen into a

single one? After all, we could display a message below the progress

bar ("installing packages", "installing the bootloader", etc.).

What do you think?

I do not know if that would be possible to merge all these steps,

esp. how to compute the overall progress. Package installation 90%

and the finish clients 10%? That would have the same problem as the

time estimation mentioned above.

I'd rather take smaller steps, let's improve the package installation

first and then maybe (maybe!) think about that unification.

Have we considered some kind of small signal that the system is still running similar to a spinner/throbber? (Something similar to the small light going on and off during write operations to a hard-drive). Naturally, it would not just be an animation…that would be pointless – lol, unless it is believable enough to feel “real” 😊

I completely agree with keeping it simple until we know more or have a solid solution.

Ken