Re: [opensuse-wiki] Bugzilla is missing in the wiki?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-07-17 22:22, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
But it happens that in the forums we are suggesting to people that already have found a bug to report it in bugzilla right away... so this people will put "bugzilla" in the search box and not find it.
Which is pistazienfresser point, I understand.
Did you already try it just before sending the Message? ;)
I did try before sending my first message, but not the second one.
Try to type Bugzilla in search, and you'll see it's fixed. Thanks to Rajko that is.
So it is. He didn't say anything. Thanks, Rajko :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxCF58ACgkQU92UU+smfQUzfACeJECZ2Dz1P18rnZSwEqxC8oKu 7owAn3aSmOsBU3o1g25ighf5aWYoMnV8 =GDN5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 17 July 2010 15:50:39 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-07-17 22:22, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
But it happens that in the forums we are suggesting to people that already have found a bug to report it in bugzilla right away... so this people will put "bugzilla" in the search box and not find it.
Which is pistazienfresser point, I understand.
Did you already try it just before sending the Message? ;)
I did try before sending my first message, but not the second one.
Try to type Bugzilla in search, and you'll see it's fixed. Thanks to Rajko that is.
So it is. He didn't say anything. Thanks, Rajko :-)
You are welcome :) Problem is that we have something like bug in advanced search that "hides" page that exist right on the top of search window, instead to report it below search field. Whole group "Page title matches" is sometimes missing. The old wiki has that right, and it is the same MediaWiki version as the new wiki, so it is something about settings or extensions that are installed in a new wiki. I'm trying to find configuration files before I file bug report on that, so that system admins have easier job to fix, but I lost the link :( -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Jul 17, 10 17:19:32 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 17 July 2010 15:50:39 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-07-17 22:22, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
But it happens that in the forums we are suggesting to people that already have found a bug to report it in bugzilla right away... so this people will put "bugzilla" in the search box and not find it.
Which is pistazienfresser point, I understand. Did you already try it just before sending the Message? ;) I did try before sending my first message, but not the second one. Try to type Bugzilla in search, and you'll see it's fixed. Thanks to Rajko that is. So it is. He didn't say anything. Thanks, Rajko :-) You are welcome :)
I found that [[Report_a_Bug]] was the name of that page, on the old wiki, and articles in the new wiki also refernce it by that name. I've created it as yet-another-#redirect. I also found that the wiki search sucks in another unexpected way: (maybe related to what Rajko described below) A user who types 'bug report' in the search box, gets nothing. It appears that page title matches are 'exact matches', not substring matches. They are even case sensitive, so the uppercase B in 'Report a Bug' matters. cheers, JW-
Problem is that we have something like bug in advanced search that "hides" page that exist right on the top of search window, instead to report it below search field. Whole group "Page title matches" is sometimes missing.
The old wiki has that right, and it is the same MediaWiki version as the new wiki, so it is something about settings or extensions that are installed in a new wiki.
I'm trying to find configuration files before I file bug report on that, so that system admins have easier job to fix, but I lost the link :(
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On 19/07/10 13:33, Juergen Weigert wrote: [...]
I found that [[Report_a_Bug]] was the name of that page, on the old wiki, and articles in the new wiki also refernce it by that name. I've created it as yet-another-#redirect.
I also found that the wiki search sucks in another unexpected way: (maybe related to what Rajko described below) A user who types 'bug report' in the search box, gets nothing. It appears that page title matches are 'exact matches', not substring matches. They are even case sensitive, so the uppercase B in 'Report a Bug' matters.
cheers, JW-
[...] I think is is no so much the search engine. I you would give the internal search engine "openSUSE:Report Bug" or go to the URL http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?search=openSUSE%3AReport+Bug&ns0=1&ns102=1&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&fulltext=Search or to the URL http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?search=Report+Bug&ns4=1title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&fulltext=Search which tells the internal search engine to seach for "Bug"AND"Report" in namespace openSUSE (ns4) the search engine will give you: " # openSUSE:Openfate Faq '''Ooops, I found a Bug!''' Please report bugs in the Novell [https://bugzilla.novell.com/enter_bug.cgi?classificati… 2 KB (322 words) - 13:07, 12 March 2010 # openSUSE:Build Service Concept Trust … cross references and extract some minimal information from the referenced bug trackers.'' * Bug statistics 24 KB (3726 words) - 07:59, 29 April 2010 # openSUSE:Build Service KIWI * Summary : "kiwi: summarize your report here" ….com&rep_platform=Other&short_desc=kiwi%3A%20&version=unspecified new KIWI bug] (with the settings above) 4 KB (660 words) - 14:36, 22 June 2010 # openSUSE:Submitting bug reports {{Bug navbar}} … submit enhancements reports, or provide patches in Bugzilla, the openSUSE bug tracking system. By searching the system and providing clear, accurate det… 12 KB (1795 words) - 10:03, 12 July 2010 # openSUSE:Junior jobs …aintainer doesn't care about the bug anymore!''' If nobody volunteers, the bug will be eventually fixed by the maintainer. It is just an easy way to lear… # Bug assignee decides that bug is actually a ''Junior Job''. 4 KB (613 words) - 14:48, 26 April 2010 # openSUSE:Maintenance * prerequisite for any update is a bug report at https://bugzilla.novell.com/ * to propose releasing the bug as fix update '''NEEDINFO maintenance@opensuse.org''' has to be set 3 KB (422 words) - 12:04, 2 July 2010 [...] " So if you would know that (cumulative) 1. The search engine searches by default only in the namespaches main and Portal and not in the other 32 namespaces or lists redirects. 2. There is no article with "report" and "bug" or "bugzilla" in the titel in the main namespace as (from http://wiki.opensuse.org/Help:Namespace) "Main - Presentation of the current version of the openSUSE distribution. Everything for consumers of our distribution including installation instructions and applications presentation articles. Any troubleshooting and not supported procedures does not belong here, but in SDB (see below). Example ATI and SDB:ATI" 3. there is no article on on that issue on the namespace Portal which is *not* described on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Help:Namespace. 4. there is no article about Bugzilla or its use in the namespace SDB which is defined on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Help:Namespace as "SDB (Support Data Base) - Help, Howtos, support. If you have a problem with the distribution you will find help here. The regular installation and other supported procedures does not belong here, but any workaround for missing functionality and bugs, does." 5. there might be an article in the namespace "openSUSE" 6. how to use the search engine to search in the namespace "openSUSE". 7. the words you have to use to search for that article your would found the article as the 4th result in your list of search results. Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE 11.2 with GNOME 2.28.2 (or KDE 4.3.5) and Kernel Linux 2.6.31.12-0.2-default (or pae, Ubuntu 10.4 LTS 'lucid' 2.6.33-22-genetic, MS Win XP) - Samsung X20 (SX20S) with Pentium M 740 (1730 MHz), Intel graphic 915GM, 1400x1050 - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 19.07.2010 13:33, Juergen Weigert wrote:
On Jul 17, 10 17:19:32 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 17 July 2010 15:50:39 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-07-17 22:22, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
But it happens that in the forums we are suggesting to people that already have found a bug to report it in bugzilla right away... so this people will put "bugzilla" in the search box and not find it.
Which is pistazienfresser point, I understand. Did you already try it just before sending the Message? ;) I did try before sending my first message, but not the second one. Try to type Bugzilla in search, and you'll see it's fixed. Thanks to Rajko that is. So it is. He didn't say anything. Thanks, Rajko :-) You are welcome :)
I found that [[Report_a_Bug]] was the name of that page, on the old wiki, and articles in the new wiki also refernce it by that name. I've created it as yet-another-#redirect.
Stop that! Stop circumventing the content separation just because it was not there in the old wiki. Get rid of the old wiki thinking please! If you think that someone should find Portal:Support with a certain search term then make sure that that search term is on the Portal:Support page or help us to improve the search. Stop bringing back the old stupid unsorted sucking wiki back with redirects! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 05:41:56 Henne Vogelsang wrote: ...
I found that [[Report_a_Bug]] was the name of that page, on the old wiki, and articles in the new wiki also refernce it by that name. I've created it as yet-another-#redirect.
Stop that! Stop circumventing the content separation just because it was not there in the old wiki. Get rid of the old wiki thinking please!
I agree that we should talk and explain, so that people refrain from old habits in creating new articles, or transferring old content to the new wiki without adjustment to a new structure, but temporary relief must be provided right now. We have a new release out there. Providing link that works is not fighting new organization, it is fighting broken search and broken web links. Fighting creation of redirects will not help anybody. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Jul 20, 10 22:53:55 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 05:41:56 Henne Vogelsang wrote: ...
I found that [[Report_a_Bug]] was the name of that page, on the old wiki, and articles in the new wiki also refernce it by that name. I've created it as yet-another-#redirect.
Stop that! Stop circumventing the content separation just because it was not there in the old wiki. Get rid of the old wiki thinking please!
I agree that we should talk and explain, so that people refrain from old habits in creating new articles, or transferring old content to the new wiki without adjustment to a new structure, but temporary relief must be provided right now. We have a new release out there.
Providing link that works is not fighting new organization, it is fighting broken search and broken web links. Fighting creation of redirects will not help anybody.
Yes. I am not trying to subvert any policies. I created links in an attempt to plant the landing pages and seed keywords, so that links into our wiki get a chance. I'll from now on name the references that I know of in the Talk:* page of the redirects that I create. Is that okay? I created another bunch of redirects yesterday like this. thanks, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "You are trying to use packages from project 'openSUSE:11.2'. Note that malicious packages can compromise your system." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 21.07.2010 10:35, Juergen Weigert wrote:
On Jul 20, 10 22:53:55 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 05:41:56 Henne Vogelsang wrote: ...
I found that [[Report_a_Bug]] was the name of that page, on the old wiki, and articles in the new wiki also refernce it by that name. I've created it as yet-another-#redirect.
Stop that! Stop circumventing the content separation just because it was not there in the old wiki. Get rid of the old wiki thinking please!
I agree that we should talk and explain, so that people refrain from old habits in creating new articles, or transferring old content to the new wiki without adjustment to a new structure, but temporary relief must be provided right now. We have a new release out there.
Providing link that works is not fighting new organization, it is fighting broken search and broken web links. Fighting creation of redirects will not help anybody.
Yes. I am not trying to subvert any policies. I created links in an attempt to plant the landing pages and seed keywords, so that links into our wiki get a chance.
A redirect in the main namespace from Bugs to openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports is trying to enhance a single, random search query (you deem important somehow) by circumventing the content seperation for the target audience. You are bringing back what we don't want: A main namespace where you can only find stuff if you already know what you're looking for. You are directly subverting the namespace policy and say "I am not trying to subvert any policies". If you have an external link that we can't fix we can talk about a redirect (we have a couple of them for the Li-f-e CD or recent news postings). If you want that the consumer finds something meaningful for the searchterm "bugs" you have to add and explain the term on Portal:Support. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Miércoles, 21 de Julio de 2010 13:57:04 Henne Vogelsang escribió:
Hey,
On 21.07.2010 10:35, Juergen Weigert wrote:
On Jul 20, 10 22:53:55 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 05:41:56 Henne Vogelsang wrote: ...
I found that [[Report_a_Bug]] was the name of that page, on the old wiki, and articles in the new wiki also refernce it by that name. I've created it as yet-another-#redirect.
Stop that! Stop circumventing the content separation just because it was not there in the old wiki. Get rid of the old wiki thinking please!
I agree that we should talk and explain, so that people refrain from old habits in creating new articles, or transferring old content to the new wiki without adjustment to a new structure, but temporary relief must be provided right now. We have a new release out there.
Providing link that works is not fighting new organization, it is fighting broken search and broken web links. Fighting creation of redirects will not help anybody.
Yes. I am not trying to subvert any policies. I created links in an attempt to plant the landing pages and seed keywords, so that links into our wiki get a chance.
A redirect in the main namespace from Bugs to openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports is trying to enhance a single, random search query (you deem important somehow) by circumventing the content seperation for the target audience. You are bringing back what we don't want: A main namespace where you can only find stuff if you already know what you're looking for. You are directly subverting the namespace policy and say "I am not trying to subvert any policies".
If you have an external link that we can't fix we can talk about a redirect (we have a couple of them for the Li-f-e CD or recent news postings).
If you want that the consumer finds something meaningful for the searchterm "bugs" you have to add and explain the term on Portal:Support.
Henne
bugs.opensuse.org still redirects to http://en.opensuse.org/Submit_a_Bug Could anyone fix that? Greetings, -- Javier Llorente
On Wednesday 21 July 2010 21:20:22 Javier Llorente wrote:
bugs.opensuse.org still redirects to http://en.opensuse.org/Submit_a_Bug Could anyone fix that?
I've forwarded the request to admin@opensuse.org to reache the openSUSE admins and it's now changed, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Jul 21, 10 13:57:04 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
A redirect in the main namespace from Bugs to openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports is trying to enhance a single, random search query (you deem important somehow) by circumventing the content seperation for the target audience.
This raises two important points: - How do we decide what important search keywords are? - How can we make it that the search engine finds them? For the first point, a) we can e.g. react to, what we learn from failed queries. b) But what do we do, if we (wiki-team) disagrees, about the level of importance? I did a) but have no clue about b). For the second point, the anwer appears to be 'add it to a portal page.' This is a cool thing, because it helps the search engine searches there, but I fear it has has exactly the same problem as adding to main: Sooner or later everything will be in Portal:*.
You are bringing back what we don't want: A main namespace where you can only find stuff if you already know what you're looking for.
Au contraire. I want more than one name to lead to the same thing. Not necessarily all the things in main. I failed to find a better tool than #redirect to express this idea. This is, where I need help. sorry, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "You are trying to use packages from project 'openSUSE:11.2'. Note that malicious packages can compromise your system." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 19.07.2010 13:33, Juergen Weigert wrote:
On Jul 17, 10 17:19:32 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 17 July 2010 15:50:39 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-07-17 22:22, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
But it happens that in the forums we are suggesting to people that already have found a bug to report it in bugzilla right away... so this people will put "bugzilla" in the search box and not find it.
Which is pistazienfresser point, I understand. Did you already try it just before sending the Message? ;) I did try before sending my first message, but not the second one. Try to type Bugzilla in search, and you'll see it's fixed. Thanks to Rajko that is. So it is. He didn't say anything. Thanks, Rajko :-) You are welcome :) I found that [[Report_a_Bug]] was the name of that page, on the old wiki, and articles in the new wiki also refernce it by that name. I've created it as yet-another-#redirect.
Stop that! Stop circumventing the content separation just because it was not there in the old wiki. Get rid of the old wiki thinking please!
If you think that someone should find Portal:Support with a certain search term then make sure that that search term is on the Portal:Support page or help us to improve the search.
Stop bringing back the old stupid unsorted sucking wiki back with redirects!
Henne
didn't you intend to write: Stop bringing back with redirects the old stupid unsorted sucking wiki which users _could_ find stuff in! And, some (users and user helpers) have long lists of bookmarks/URLs to. And links which are STILL embedded in forum, mail list postings, blogs, and etc as part of *still* valid how-to-fix-this or how-to-setup-that notes... STOP making it possible for folks to FIND what they need while someone else makes it possible to a search for stuff!! We want no one to be able to find the info on Our Wiki until they learn how to figure out how to know where it is before they find where it is--by using OUR way! sigh, DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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