On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 16:37, Matthew Ehle wrote:

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Henne Vogelsang 11/18/2011 3:43 AM >>> Hey Jan,

On 17.11.2011 17:21, Jan Papež (mailing lists) wrote:

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I'd like to know, what's the best way to translate openSUSE Wiki? For example, I'm going to translate to Czech: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:12.1

Go to http://en.opensuse.org -> Help -> Wiki -> Translation

"We have multiple wiki translation projects[1] running and we will add more when openSUSE communities using different languages are strong enough to perform the translation and later continue with a regular wiki maintenance."

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Is there some SVN/GIT repository (with .po/.pot files), or should I to write directly into Wiki?

One of those language wiki is http://cs.opensuse.org so all you have to do is to go to http://cs.opensuse.org/Portal:12.1 and start. No other tools needed.

If you need further help with anything, let us know! I don't think we have a lot of admins on that particular wiki.  If Jan knows MediaWiki pretty well, and if he is interested, we may want to consider giving him some admin privileges.

I might be able to help out a little with the openSUSE Wiki. I've got a few years of OpenOffice.org Wiki admin under my proverbial belt. If you need a reference for that, ask Michael Meeks - he and I have bumped into each other regularly at the now defunct OOo Conferences since about 2007. I've been meaning to offer to help out here for a while now, but always forget :-P Clayton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+owner@opensuse.org

On zaterdag 19 november 2011 17:23:57 Jan Papež (mailing-lists) wrote:

Hi,

Thank you for your information.

On Friday 18 of November 2011 11:43:16 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Go to http://en.opensuse.org -> Help -> Wiki -> Translation

I've been following article http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Translation which references to http://languages.opensuse.org/Help:Translation but I'm confused about making my language translations. Should I make translation at http://cs.opensuse.org or at http://languages.opensuse.org especially for redirections, which are mentioned in the article about translation?

Apparently your language already has a wiki specific for that language (cs.opensuse.org). The wiki languages.opensuse.org is for languages that don't have such a language specific wiki. So you should work in cs.opensuse.org.

Nevertheless I'm unsure about this way of making translations. Mainly because I expected that when I make translated page, it makes a link into DIV with heading "In other languages" on the left. But it doesn't work this way, is it true?

When you enter the template {{IW|some title}} at the end of a page that you translated, this generates an interwiki link. How exactly it works is unclear to me, but you can experiment with it. At least at the end of the page 'Portal:12.1', you can enter '{{IW|Portal:12.1}}' without the quote (') and see what happens on the English page.

The Portal:12.1 has this reference (but now still not translated) - it has been generated automatically?

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On Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:23:57 AM Jan Papež (mailing-lists) wrote:

Hi,

Thank you for your information.

On Friday 18 of November 2011 11:43:16 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Go to http://en.opensuse.org -> Help -> Wiki -> Translation

I've been following article http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Translation which references to http://languages.opensuse.org/Help:Translation but I'm confused about making my language translations.

To be honest they are a bit overcomplicated as they are meant for http://languages.opensuse.org where few languages should coexist. < snip already answered in another email>

Nevertheless I'm unsure about this way of making translations. Mainly because I expected that when I make translated page, it makes a link into DIV with heading "In other languages" on the left. But it doesn't work this way, is it true?

It works, although it is a manual work, unlike Wikipedia that has bots that browse their sites and add links to translations automatically. You must add to English original, at the bottom, below all [[Category: ....]] tags the [[cs:]] tag, and then copy all links in that group to your translated article, so that your readers know that there is more translations. Of course replace [[cs: ... ]] with [[en: ... ]]. You can use as example: http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Concept I added there in the right place: [[cs:Nápověda:Koncept]] ( I used Koncept as translation for Concept, although it could be that Pojem is better. I don't speak Czech so this is based on http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pojem ) Now add at the end of your translation ( http://cs.opensuse.org/N%C3%A1pov%C4%9Bda:Koncept ): [[de:Hilfe:Konzept]] [[en:Help:Concept]] [[it:Aiuto:Concept]] [[pt:Ajuda:Conceito]] [[ru:Справка:Концепция]] [[pl:Help:Concept]] As you can see, the list points to all other wikis including English and excluding your cs wiki. To make all somewhat easier I copied English text that you have to translate. I can't help with {{Šablona:Wiki editing navbar}} before you translate it, so that I know where to place next text for translation. Google translate suggests: "Šablona: Wiki úpravy navigační lišty" , but that is Google that is currently good as accessory, but not as a main translation tool.

The Portal:12.1 has this reference (but now still not translated) - it has been generated automatically?

Yes. It is used template {{IW|Portal:12.1}} that doesn't check for existing translations, it just lists all possible, without: http://languages.opensuse.org/ It seems that is not defined somewhere else where code for language sidebar is taking information. HTH

Jan

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Thank you. On Saturday 19 of November 2011 19:44:49 Rajko M. wrote:

You can use as example: http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Concept I added there in the right place: [[cs:Nápověda:Koncept]]

Now add at the end of your translation ( http://cs.opensuse.org/N%C3%A1pov%C4%9Bda:Koncept ): [[de:Hilfe:Konzept]] [[en:Help:Concept]] [[it:Aiuto:Concept]] [[pt:Ajuda:Conceito]] [[ru:Справка:Концепция]] [[pl:Help:Concept]]

As you can see, the list points to all other wikis including English and excluding your cs wiki.

To make all somewhat easier I copied English text that you have to translate.

ok, I'll try it next..

( I used Koncept as translation for Concept, although it could be that Pojem is better. I don't speak Czech so this is based on http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pojem )

Pojem is synonym of Koncept. But it could depend on content of this article. In my opinion Koncept is closer to right naming.

I can't help with {{Šablona:Wiki editing navbar}} before you translate it, so that I know where to place next text for translation. Google translate suggests: "Šablona: Wiki úpravy navigační lišty" , but that is Google that is currently good as accessory, but not as a main translation tool.

ok, I'm learning how to use templates etc. It looks complicated, luckily I can read sources of original pages. It's inspiring :-)

It works, although it is a manual work, unlike Wikipedia that has bots that browse their sites and add links to translations automatically.

You must add to English original, at the bottom, below all [[Category: ....]] tags the [[cs:]] tag, and then copy all links in that group to your translated article, so that your readers know that there is more translations. Of course replace [[cs: ... ]] with [[en: ... ]].

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The Portal:12.1 has this reference (but now still not translated) - it has been generated automatically?

Yes. It is used template {{IW|Portal:12.1}} that doesn't check for existing translations, it just lists all possible, without: http://languages.opensuse.org/ It seems that is not defined somewhere else where code for language sidebar is taking information.

Well, it's up to me again if I choose first or second way. Which one do you recommend? Thanks. Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+owner@opensuse.org

On Sunday 20 of November 2011 01:00:05 Rajko M. wrote:

I'll start thread about template IW later today to see do we want to use it as it creates links like" http://cs.opensuse.org/Help:Concept so you will have to create in that page manually redirect to your native title. #redirect [[Nápověda:Koncept]] For one page that is not a big deal, but for many pages it is extra work. Also, if you use IW other wikis will have to create such links from your title to their native title, which will very soon end in unmaintainable mess. If I had read all http://languages.opensuse.org/Help:Translation, I wouldn't have unnecessary questions. At second half of this article is written what you wrote above.

So I'll make links with Template:IW only there, where should be equivalent articles (for example Portal:12.1, Help:Concept or - what I tried to translate at first - Help:Translation). Another articles I will translate with InterWiki links like [[:lang_code:article_title]]

Also you mentioned DIV, what is that and where it is used? I thought sidebar, but I wrote DIV, mentioned as HTML section. It meant language sidebar.

Thanks for your answers. Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+owner@opensuse.org