From opensuse@cboltz.de Tue May 3 20:10:24 2011 From: Christian Boltz To: wiki@lists.opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse-wiki] Template:Point_here (was: Re: [opensuse-web] incomplete tumbleweed instructions) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 22:10:15 +0200 Message-ID: <201105032210.16757@tux.boltz.de.vu> In-Reply-To: <4DBF2FD7.8080908@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1718295769846414683==" --===============1718295769846414683== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, @wiki team: this mail includes a proposal for a major change for=20 Template:Point_here to fix a display bug (hidden content). (Sorry for switching mailinglists again, but this is something I have to bring up on the -wiki mailinglist.) on Dienstag, 3. Mai 2011, Felix Miata wrote: > picture worth many words: > http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/opensusedotorg-too-narrow.jpg > But, what about new people not > fully knowledgeable about overcoming dumb web page design? Why do > web page designers insist on arbitrary widths that can't hold their > content, and don't allow overflow to be accessible? I just checked this. 
 already has overflow:auto (which means it=20
gets scrollbars if needed).

The problem is the  (icon + text right of it)=20
which is wider than the 
 around.

Additionally, the 
 around the table uses=20
    

Changing it to "overflow:auto;" adds a scrollbar - it looks quite ugly,=20
but at least works ;-) Nevertheless, it isn't the best solution.

The overflow:hidden comes from=20
http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Point_here which us used on all portals.

I played around a bit, and IMHO this is at least some strange behaviour:=20
The 
 can widen the 
 around it - even if the parent element has=20
a width restriction set :-/
I'm not sure if this is valid behaviour or a browser bug - but then it
would be a bug in (at least) Firefox and Konqueror.

The good news: I can offer a fully working solution (with the scrollbar=20
only at the 
), but it requires a full rewrite of Template:Point_here.
On the positive side, we would get rid of the table layout ;-)

Instead of the table, use the following code:







    
3D"Icon-
    


        
    

How to try Tumbleweed?






  •  Add Tumbleweed to your YaST or zypper installation repositories and =
enable autorefresh:



zypper ar --refresh \
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/ \
Tumbleweed



  •  Do a distro update from Tumbleweed as needed.  The first time you wi=
ll need to accept the GPG key:



zypper dup --from Tumbleweed


    



 




I did not count pixels ;-) but it looks about the same as the table-based
version - with the advantage that 
 gets scrollbars if needed :-)

@Wiki team: The Point_here template is used on every portal page, which also
means changing it could break a lot of pages ;-) Therefore I'm asking first:
- Are you ok with changing the Point_here template to the code listed above? =

- Are there any side effects or "special" portal pages I should be aware of?


Regards,

Christian Boltz
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XSLT ist eine Art awk auf B=C3=A4umen und hat alle Nachteile von awk.
Wenn man vorher nur Shell konnte, ist es allerdings die Erleuchtung.
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From mrmazda@earthlink.net Tue May  3 23:03:13 2011
From: Felix Miata 
To: wiki@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [opensuse-wiki] Re: Template:Point_here (was: [opensuse-web]
 incomplete tumbleweed instructions)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 19:03:18 -0400
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On 2011/05/03 22:10 (GMT+0200) Christian Boltz composed:

> > Felix Miata wrote:

>> >>  picture worth many words:
>> >>  http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/opensusedotorg-too-narrow.jpg

More perspective on how it looks/works(not) now (FF 3.6.17, SM 2.0.14 & Opera
11.01):
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/opensusedotorg-too-narrow-1920.png
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