SuSE Help System and Apache2
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Does the SuSE Help System work on Apache2? I don't know why YaST installed Apache2 on my system, but after it did, I get the Apache default index.html, not the SuSE page that points to the documentation. I use that documentation, and I use the url to get to it. I want that functionality back. Do I simply need to uninstall apache2 (and perhaps reinstall apache 1.3), or can I do something to make it work with apache2? The latter option is more attractive, if it's straightforward. STH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAOZopH2SF0i7rrGwRAmrIAKCYT4wlKXsNENzuxoeItHJk6KNgaQCgoIlZ 6M+kfafxqRaqYiEhgqD8pzY= =Adkh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Monday 23 February 2004 06:13, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
Does the SuSE Help System work on Apache2? I don't know why YaST installed Apache2 on my system, but after it did, I get the Apache default index.html, not the SuSE page that points to the documentation. I use that documentation, and I use the url to get to it. I want that functionality back. Do I simply need to uninstall apache2 (and perhaps reinstall apache 1.3), or can I do something to make it work with apache2? The latter option is more attractive, if it's straightforward.
STH
Steve I have Apache2, mysql, php etc running on SL9.0Pro. There doesn't appear to be any problem with SuSE Help. What exactly are you doing when the problem is exhibited? -- Best Regards David Barnes
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 23 February 2004 08:29 am, David Barnes wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2004 06:13, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
Does the SuSE Help System work on Apache2? I don't know why YaST installed Apache2 on my system, but after it did, I get the Apache default index.html, not the SuSE page that points to the documentation. I use that documentation, and I use the url to get to it. I want that functionality back. Do I simply need to uninstall apache2 (and perhaps reinstall apache 1.3), or can I do something to make it work with apache2? The latter option is more attractive, if it's straightforward.
STH
Steve
I have Apache2, mysql, php etc running on SL9.0Pro.
There doesn't appear to be any problem with SuSE Help.
What exactly are you doing when the problem is exhibited?
I'm not sure what you mean. There are two interfaces to SuSE's help system. One is based on the KDE help center, the other is served out by Apache. Perhaps I'm one of the few who actually use that feature, and SuSE want to phase it out, or something. I hope not. But I don't see it in the documentation for 9.0. STH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAOhc/H2SF0i7rrGwRAi3PAKChmaGq1j0IDB7x26pRtA+p79/HjwCgs8ay zo6tEi8Iw5EGtVAx7YUs/Y8= =2P8B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Monday 23 February 2004 15:07, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2004 08:29 am, David Barnes wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2004 06:13, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
Does the SuSE Help System work on Apache2? I don't know why YaST installed Apache2 on my system, but after it did, I get the Apache default index.html, not the SuSE page that points to the documentation. I use that documentation, and I use the url to get to it. I want that functionality back. Do I simply need to uninstall apache2 (and perhaps reinstall apache 1.3), or can I do something to make it work with apache2? The latter option is more attractive, if it's straightforward.
STH
Steve
I have Apache2, mysql, php etc running on SL9.0Pro.
There doesn't appear to be any problem with SuSE Help.
What exactly are you doing when the problem is exhibited?
I'm not sure what you mean. There are two interfaces to SuSE's help system. One is based on the KDE help center, the other is served out by Apache. Perhaps I'm one of the few who actually use that feature, and SuSE want to phase it out, or something. I hope not. But I don't see it in the documentation for 9.0.
STH
What I mean is that I use both help systems, KDE help center and the Apache served one for Apache documentation - and they appear to work. In fact, I use the Apache documentation system a lot. I see no evidence of SuSE doing anything to it, except for supplying it as part of the RPM. My original question was, what doesn't work for you? I would like to help. -- Best Regards David Barnes
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 23 February 2004 03:07 pm, David Barnes wrote:
My original question was, what doesn't work for you? I would like to help.
I'm talking about this: http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/gs-home/images/suse-help-url.png -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAOmvTH2SF0i7rrGwRAukGAJ4kClEalVp7v/7DobjEFBZYN210JgCgrIMi xMpjKOQRAHcPCdDsmjzKQG0= =2E5t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The Monday 2004-02-23 at 20:07 -0000, David Barnes wrote:
What I mean is that I use both help systems, KDE help center and the Apache served one for Apache documentation - and they appear to work.
In fact, I use the Apache documentation system a lot. I see no evidence of SuSE doing anything to it, except for supplying it as part of the RPM.
No, he wants the full help system as in kde, working from apache - not simply the apache docus. This has worked in all versions of SuSE as far as I remember (5.2), but I think it doesn't with apache2. It was mentioned on this list not too long ago. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Tuesday 24 February 2004 00:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2004-02-23 at 20:07 -0000, David Barnes wrote:
What I mean is that I use both help systems, KDE help center and the Apache served one for Apache documentation - and they appear to work.
In fact, I use the Apache documentation system a lot. I see no evidence of SuSE doing anything to it, except for supplying it as part of the RPM.
No, he wants the full help system as in kde, working from apache - not simply the apache docus. This has worked in all versions of SuSE as far as I remember (5.2), but I think it doesn't with apache2. It was mentioned on this list not too long ago.
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
NOW I understand! and yes, it doesn't work for me either. Afraid I can't help, but I would like to use it as well. I shall watch this thread with interest. I, too, would like to see a solution. -- Best Regards David Barnes
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:13:52AM -0500, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
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Does the SuSE Help System work on Apache2? I don't know why YaST installed Apache2 on my system, but after it did, I get the Apache default index.html, not the SuSE page that points to the documentation. I use that documentation, and I use the url to get to it. I want that functionality back. Do I simply need to uninstall apache2 (and perhaps reinstall apache 1.3), or can I do something to make it work with apache2? The latter option is more attractive, if it's straightforward.
Include the susehelp configuration by adding "/etc/httpd/susehelp.conf" to APACHE_CONF_INCLUDE_FILES in /etc/sysconfig/apache2, restart apache, and let me know if that helps. Don't forget to edit /etc/sysconfig/susehelp. Peter
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 25 February 2004 11:32 am, poeml@cmdline.net wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:13:52AM -0500, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
Include the susehelp configuration by adding "/etc/httpd/susehelp.conf" to APACHE_CONF_INCLUDE_FILES in /etc/sysconfig/apache2, restart apache, and let me know if that helps.
Don't forget to edit /etc/sysconfig/susehelp.
Peter
Worked like a charm as far as getting the help system running. While I was installing Apache2 I read a comment saying: "prefork" MPM (Multi-Processing Module) This MPM is basically the one that Apache 1.3.x used. It warrants the maximum stability because each server runs in its own process. If a process dies it will not affect other servers. Which I never knew. I guess 1.3 and 2 aren't that different. I never tried. I just knew everything worked with Apache 1.3 and it didn't with 2 so I reverted. But I still don't have a dancing penguin! :-( I'l also observe that I had to yank out all the 1.3 related modules to prevent rpm conflicts. I don't know what, if anything I really lost. This server isn't important, but I have one that matterrs a bit more. I think I'll have to aim before I shoot with that one. STH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPOn7H2SF0i7rrGwRAgdbAJ9LnpcSLHwksAa4/CPBBW0nwK59WgCfRxVL lvDOQ5lWc1G69Q+UB9/VkGM= =bRel -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 01:31:19PM -0500, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
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On Wednesday 25 February 2004 11:32 am, poeml@cmdline.net wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:13:52AM -0500, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
Include the susehelp configuration by adding "/etc/httpd/susehelp.conf" to APACHE_CONF_INCLUDE_FILES in /etc/sysconfig/apache2, restart apache, and let me know if that helps.
Don't forget to edit /etc/sysconfig/susehelp.
Peter
Worked like a charm as far as getting the help system running. [...]
Thanks for the feedback.
[...] While I was installing Apache2 I read a comment saying:
"prefork" MPM (Multi-Processing Module) This MPM is basically the one that Apache 1.3.x used. It warrants the maximum stability because each server runs in its own process. If a process dies it will not affect other servers.
Which I never knew. I guess 1.3 and 2 aren't that different. I never tried.
In some respects they are very different, but not visibly to the user. Most changes are confined to the internals that you'd not notice.
I just knew everything worked with Apache 1.3 and it didn't with 2 so I reverted. But I still don't have a dancing penguin! :-( I'l also observe
Yoy mean the old dancing penguin that was on the default index.html very long ago? I believe we have ditched it due to unclear copyright long ago, but if it's still there it is in the apache-example-pages package (the one of apache1).
that I had to yank out all the 1.3 related modules to prevent rpm conflicts.
A few modules do conflict (mod_perl, mod_python). Most don't.
I don't know what, if anything I really lost. This server isn't important, but I have one that matterrs a bit more. I think I'll have to aim before I shoot with that one.
Don't worry. If you need help, it counts as a bug which needs to be resolved. Let me know. Peter
On Wednesday 25 February 2004 23:31, poeml@cmdline.net wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 01:31:19PM -0500, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
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On Wednesday 25 February 2004 11:32 am, poeml@cmdline.net wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:13:52AM -0500, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
Include the susehelp configuration by adding "/etc/httpd/susehelp.conf" to APACHE_CONF_INCLUDE_FILES in /etc/sysconfig/apache2, restart apache, and let me know if that helps.
Don't forget to edit /etc/sysconfig/susehelp.
Peter
I've only got a partial fix. I can access some of the pages, but some are not valid and give an error 404. User Guide -- works ok Application Manuals -- error 404 Administration -- error 404 Administration Guide -- works ok Development -- error 404 Online Resources -- error 404 SuSE Homepage -- works ok SuSE Hardware Database-- works ok SuSE Support Database -- works ok -- Best Regards David Barnes
The Thursday 2004-02-26 at 15:33 -0000, David Barnes wrote:
I can access some of the pages, but some are not valid and give an error 404.
User Guide -- works ok Application Manuals -- error 404 Administration -- error 404 Administration Guide -- works ok Development -- error 404 Online Resources -- error 404 SuSE Homepage -- works ok SuSE Hardware Database-- works ok SuSE Support Database -- works ok
There have always been errors like these on susehelp, on every suse version. Mistake, previous versions had less errors. I had to pursue them one by one, each time. The bad news is: they are never the same on each version. The other bad news (for you): I have not 9.0, so I can not solve it for you :-P Hopefully, I'm wrong, and those errors are just of your system, and not general; or they are general, and somedy else have found and solved them. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
* David Barnes <kcuk.linux@blueyonder.co.uk> [02-26-04 10:34]:
I can access some of the pages, but some are not valid and give an error 404.
User Guide -- works ok Application Manuals -- error 404
available via first page 'content' selection
Administration -- error 404
also
Administration Guide -- works ok Development -- error 404
again
Online Resources -- error 404
and again
SuSE Homepage -- works ok SuSE Hardware Database-- works ok SuSE Support Database -- works ok
the cgi links are aparently broken ??? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org
On Friday 27 February 2004 02:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* David Barnes <kcuk.linux@blueyonder.co.uk> [02-26-04 10:34]:
I can access some of the pages, but some are not valid and give an error 404.
User Guide -- works ok Application Manuals -- error 404
available via first page 'content' selection
Administration -- error 404
also
Administration Guide -- works ok Development -- error 404
again
Online Resources -- error 404
and again
SuSE Homepage -- works ok SuSE Hardware Database-- works ok SuSE Support Database -- works ok
the cgi links are aparently broken ???
-- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org
Carlos, Patrick Sorry, I wasn't clear. The SuSEhelp (from kde) works perfectly. The problem is with menus using the http version in Apache. The lower level menus bomb out with a 404 error. You can tell that is going to happen because when you "hover" over the link, the parameters for the cgi script are wrong. I would have expected the parameters to be non-blank and different for each link. In the kde SuSE Help, the "Administration" link, for example is "khelpcenter:woq7KKJBRTSLaQ" and in Apache is "http://localhost/cgi-bin/showdir.cgi?cgiprefix=/cgi-bin/ &fileprefix=&header=1&path=" The link for the User Guide in kde is "file:/usr/share/doc/packages/suselinux-userguide_en/html/index.html (52.24 K) HTML Page" which I understand, and in Apache is "file:/usr/share/doc/packages/suselinux-userguide_en/html/index.html" which works. -- Best Regards David Barnes
The 2004-02-27 at 12:03 -0000, David Barnes wrote:
Carlos, Patrick
Sorry, I wasn't clear. The SuSEhelp (from kde) works perfectly.
The problem is with menus using the http version in Apache.
I know, I know. As I said, I don't have 9.0, so I can't check; but those kind of errors in the apache version vs the kde version of help have always been around. That's exactly what I meant. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 25 February 2004 06:31 pm, poeml@cmdline.net wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 01:31:19PM -0500, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
Which I never knew. I guess 1.3 and 2 aren't that different. I never tried.
In some respects they are very different, but not visibly to the user.
I'm not sure which level of user you mean. I haven't had time to follow Apache much. I've been tracking Tomcat and Java's WSDP, as well as a lot of other related stuff. That is until the Qt book came out. Then I dropped everything and started selfinflicting C++ again.
I believe we have ditched it due to unclear copyright long ago, but if it's still there it is in the apache-example-pages package (the one of apache1).
It was kind of handy to have the SuSE-built index.html with all the links, and information about the install, etc. Sure, I can make my own, but if I don't have to, that would save some time.
Don't worry.
If you need help, it counts as a bug which needs to be resolved. Let me know.
It will probably not be soon. I have a pretty solid background in managing webservers going back to Netscape SuiteSpot beta 1. That doesn't mean I never need help, but it's not that complex. I'll keep the offer in mind. I'm glad SuSE implemented my suggestion about linking in user configuration files to prevent editing /etc/httpd/httpd.conf. :-)
Peter
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