* Daniel Bauer [09-21-14 12:28]: [...]

However I personally havn't found a really satisfying raw processing solution on Linux (I confess, it's a while since I tested....), so I still use manufacturers programs or a commercial one in virtualbox/w.

Take a good look at darktable. I went to it from bibble5/AfterShotPro about 15 months ago and haven't looked back. (one line) zypper ar -fr http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/toganm:/photography/openSUSE... (one line) zypper -v up -r "Photography related packages (openSUSE-Factory)" darktable Togan Muftuoglu graciously provides latest git builds. I have been using them for > a year with *very* little problems. And during soccer seasons I work > 2500/wk and I am running Factory. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 21.09.2014 um 20:28 schrieb John M Andersen:

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:53:50 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Daniel Bauer [09-21-14 12:28]: [...]

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However I personally havn't found a really satisfying raw processing solution on Linux (I confess, it's a while since I tested....), so I still use manufacturers programs or a commercial one in virtualbox/w.

Take a good look at darktable. I went to it from bibble5/AfterShotPro about 15 months ago and haven't looked back.

(one line) zypper ar -fr http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/toganm:/photography/openSUSE _Factory/home:toganm:photography.repo

(one line) zypper -v up -r "Photography related packages (openSUSE-Factory)" darktable

Togan Muftuoglu graciously provides latest git builds. I have been using them for > a year with *very* little problems. And during soccer seasons I work > 2500/wk and I am running Factory.

I've always thought that Darktable was in a competition with Gimp to see who could come up with the LEAST intuitive interface. The Principal of Least Astonishment apparently never crossed their mind.

:-) Interfaces are something one can get used to if you use it often (although I really searched a lot in darktable...). What I miss, and why I use manufacturers programs (except Sony: one should prohibit their programmers any access to computers!) is the simplicity and the analogy to camera settings, respectively the possibility to directly apply what I have set in the camera, at least as a base to start... DxO, which is commercial, can do that. Maybe because they can pay, no idea... I use DxO for the Sony raw's. These /for me/ important features I haven’t found in any OS/Linux software. Or maybe it is indeed an interface problem and I just didn't know where to click? -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com google+: https://plus.google.com/109534388657020287386 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 02:57:40PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* John M Andersen [09-21-14 14:31]: [..]

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I've always thought that Darktable was in a competition with Gimp to see who could come up with the LEAST intuitive interface. The Principal of Least Astonishment apparently never crossed their mind.

Cannot argue, but remember that it is gtk and not qt, so kde users expectations would appear skewed :^)

It is like many aps with many operations, complicated, and once you become acclimatized you don't think about it. I found bibble/aftershock also difficult ... Try fotoxx :^)

The cream is in the pudding, results attainable via darktable are amazing and very comparable to high $$$ items for proprietary systems.

I thought the darktable UI is based on the Adobe Lightroom UI... which in the circle of photographers I know here locally is the app everyone uses. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 22/09/14 04:28, John M Andersen wrote:

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:53:50 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Daniel Bauer [09-21-14 12:28]: [...]

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However I personally havn't found a really satisfying raw processing solution on Linux (I confess, it's a while since I tested....), so I still use manufacturers programs or a commercial one in virtualbox/w. Take a good look at darktable. I went to it from bibble5/AfterShotPro about 15 months ago and haven't looked back.

(one line) zypper ar -fr http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/toganm:/photography/openSUSE _Factory/home:toganm:photography.repo

(one line) zypper -v up -r "Photography related packages (openSUSE-Factory)" darktable

Togan Muftuoglu graciously provides latest git builds. I have been using them for > a year with *very* little problems. And during soccer seasons I work > 2500/wk and I am running Factory. I've always thought that Darktable was in a competition with Gimp to see who could come up with the LEAST intuitive interface. The Principal of Least Astonishment apparently never crossed their mind.

Laddies and Lassies, I received a private mail from the OP and as it turns out - but you wouldn't think this from his post - is that he does NOT want to display RAW images in Gwenview but only jpeg images. If you read his OP carefully what he was saying is that in the past he could *suppress* the display of RAW images as he only wanted to see jpg images. He now wants to do same with the latest Gwenview which seems to display both RAW and jpgs - which is something he does not want. Rather than respond to him in private I will make my comment here as to how to (probably) solve his problem. I already hinted at it in another response and that was that in Dolphin you can set (in the image Properties) which image viewer you want to use to view the image. I think one can work out now how NOT to see RAW images in Gwenview..... BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.1 & kernel 3.16.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* šumski [09-21-14 12:44]:

On Sunday 21 of September 2014 15:54:15 A. den Oudsten wrote:

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In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version? Gwenview supports RAW files since KDE SC 4.13

Problem expressed may not be related to gwenview supporting RAW, but which RAW is *supported*. There are very many RAW formats and probably all proprietary. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 21/09/2014 20:39, John M Andersen a écrit :

I once had a photography instructor tell his students to "resist the rush to raw" and just set up the camera to store images with the least compression, until they had several years of experience with that camera and had discovered specific annoyances that they could not correct through the camera controls.

pretty good advice :-) same as: start with a simple camera. When you can't anymore make what you want with the camera, buy a more sophisticated one", and learn. I started to make photos 65 years ago :-), but to stay in recent cameras, I began with Canon EOS 350D, them EOS 50D and now EOSZ 5DMKII, and after a year I still don't master the last camera. Why should a raw software be simpler than camera menus? Use it only of you can't acheive the result you want with the jpg. Ideally, one should shoot in raw+jpeg, but this is at least 5x the jpg size :-(, and 5x the time for any manipulation, let alone copy from sd card to hard drive jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sunday 21 of September 2014 18:47:25 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* šumski [09-21-14 12:44]:

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On Sunday 21 of September 2014 15:54:15 A. den Oudsten wrote:

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In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version?

Gwenview supports RAW files since KDE SC 4.13

Problem expressed may not be related to gwenview supporting RAW, but which RAW is *supported*. There are very many RAW formats and probably all proprietary.

Sure. But with older releases no RAW was supported at all, so no sense in even tryin' Cheers, Hrvoje