In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version? T.i.a. André den Oudsten
On 21/09/14 23:54, A. den Oudsten wrote:
In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version? T.i.a. Andr� den Oudsten
DARKTABLE apparently handles RAW images. I have it installed but don't have RAW images to try it out on.
BC
On 09/21/2014 09:54 AM, A. den Oudsten wrote:
In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version?
Just a thought ...
I presume by 'raw' you mean the image format, the unprocessed CCD information, from a digital camera.
Each vendor has their won format, so there are many types of raw files.
The processing of those is carried out by another library See
apropos Image::ExifTool
man 1 ufraw
man 1 gphoto2
man 3 libgphoto2
There is also an extension for gimp to process raw files using the libgphoto2 library.
On 09/21/2014 09:54 AM, A. den Oudsten wrote:
In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version?
Maybe its camera specific or maybe its that I have libgphoto2 installed, but I can view my raw (*.raf) files with gwenview OK.
Am 21.09.2014 um 16:52 schrieb Anton Aylward:
On 09/21/2014 09:54 AM, A. den Oudsten wrote:
In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version?
Maybe its camera specific or maybe its that I have libgphoto2 installed, but I can view my raw (*.raf) files with gwenview OK.
I am not sure, but I believe that programs that do not explicitely process raw files just show the embedded jpeg, if possible. My dolphin can do that with Canon CR2-files, but not with Sony ARW...
Digikam can truly open and display raw files, using the embedded jpeg as thumbnail (as much as I know).
However I personally havn't found a really satisfying raw processing solution on Linux (I confess, it's a while since I tested....), so I still use manufacturers programs or a commercial one in virtualbox/w.
* Daniel Bauer linux@daniel-bauer.com [09-21-14 12:28]: [...]
However I personally havn't found a really satisfying raw processing solution on Linux (I confess, it's a while since I tested....), so I still use manufacturers programs or a commercial one in virtualbox/w.
Take a good look at darktable. I went to it from bibble5/AfterShotPro about 15 months ago and haven't looked back.
(one line) zypper ar -fr http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/toganm:/photography/openSUSE...
(one line) zypper -v up -r "Photography related packages (openSUSE-Factory)" darktable
Togan Muftuoglu graciously provides latest git builds. I have been using them for > a year with *very* little problems. And during soccer seasons I work > 2500/wk and I am running Factory.
On Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:53:50 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Daniel Bauer linux@daniel-bauer.com [09-21-14 12:28]:
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However I personally havn't found a really satisfying raw processing solution on Linux (I confess, it's a while since I tested....), so I still use manufacturers programs or a commercial one in virtualbox/w.
Take a good look at darktable. I went to it from bibble5/AfterShotPro about 15 months ago and haven't looked back.
(one line) zypper ar -fr http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/toganm:/photography/openSUSE _Factory/home:toganm:photography.repo
(one line) zypper -v up -r "Photography related packages (openSUSE-Factory)" darktable
Togan Muftuoglu graciously provides latest git builds. I have been using them for > a year with *very* little problems. And during soccer seasons I work > 2500/wk and I am running Factory.
I've always thought that Darktable was in a competition with Gimp to see who could come up with the LEAST intuitive interface. The Principal of Least Astonishment apparently never crossed their mind.
Am 21.09.2014 um 20:28 schrieb John M Andersen:
On Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:53:50 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Daniel Bauer linux@daniel-bauer.com [09-21-14 12:28]: [...]
However I personally havn't found a really satisfying raw processing solution on Linux (I confess, it's a while since I tested....), so I still use manufacturers programs or a commercial one in virtualbox/w.
Take a good look at darktable. I went to it from bibble5/AfterShotPro about 15 months ago and haven't looked back.
(one line) zypper ar -fr http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/toganm:/photography/openSUSE _Factory/home:toganm:photography.repo
(one line) zypper -v up -r "Photography related packages (openSUSE-Factory)" darktable
Togan Muftuoglu graciously provides latest git builds. I have been using them for > a year with *very* little problems. And during soccer seasons I work > 2500/wk and I am running Factory.
I've always thought that Darktable was in a competition with Gimp to see who could come up with the LEAST intuitive interface. The Principal of Least Astonishment apparently never crossed their mind.
:-)
Interfaces are something one can get used to if you use it often (although I really searched a lot in darktable...).
What I miss, and why I use manufacturers programs (except Sony: one should prohibit their programmers any access to computers!) is the simplicity and the analogy to camera settings, respectively the possibility to directly apply what I have set in the camera, at least as a base to start...
DxO, which is commercial, can do that. Maybe because they can pay, no idea... I use DxO for the Sony raw's.
These /for me/ important features I haven’t found in any OS/Linux software. Or maybe it is indeed an interface problem and I just didn't know where to click?
* John M Andersen jsamyth@gmail.com [09-21-14 14:31]: [..]
I've always thought that Darktable was in a competition with Gimp to see who could come up with the LEAST intuitive interface. The Principal of Least Astonishment apparently never crossed their mind.
Cannot argue, but remember that it is gtk and not qt, so kde users expectations would appear skewed :^)
It is like many aps with many operations, complicated, and once you become acclimatized you don't think about it. I found bibble/aftershock also difficult ... Try fotoxx :^)
The cream is in the pudding, results attainable via darktable are amazing and very comparable to high $$$ items for proprietary systems.
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 02:57:40PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- John M Andersen jsamyth@gmail.com [09-21-14 14:31]:
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I've always thought that Darktable was in a competition with Gimp to see who could come up with the LEAST intuitive interface. The Principal of Least Astonishment apparently never crossed their mind.
Cannot argue, but remember that it is gtk and not qt, so kde users expectations would appear skewed :^)
It is like many aps with many operations, complicated, and once you become acclimatized you don't think about it. I found bibble/aftershock also difficult ... Try fotoxx :^)
The cream is in the pudding, results attainable via darktable are amazing and very comparable to high $$$ items for proprietary systems.
I thought the darktable UI is based on the Adobe Lightroom UI... which in the circle of photographers I know here locally is the app everyone uses.
Ciao, Marcus
* Marcus Meissner meissner@suse.de [09-21-14 15:29]: [...]
I thought the darktable UI is based on the Adobe Lightroom UI... which in the circle of photographers I know here locally is the app everyone uses.
I don't believe so, but cannot say for sure as I do not know lightroom. I can tell you that lightroom UI on linux is terrible, so I use darktable. The play on words, lightroom/darktable, may offer some indication .... Then there is lightzone which offers another really different interface but one I would say is closer to lightroom. (available in Togan's repo)
On 22/09/14 04:28, John M Andersen wrote:
On Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:53:50 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Daniel Bauer linux@daniel-bauer.com [09-21-14 12:28]: [...]
However I personally havn't found a really satisfying raw processing solution on Linux (I confess, it's a while since I tested....), so I still use manufacturers programs or a commercial one in virtualbox/w.
Take a good look at darktable. I went to it from bibble5/AfterShotPro about 15 months ago and haven't looked back.
(one line) zypper ar -fr http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/toganm:/photography/openSUSE _Factory/home:toganm:photography.repo
(one line) zypper -v up -r "Photography related packages (openSUSE-Factory)" darktable
Togan Muftuoglu graciously provides latest git builds. I have been using them for > a year with *very* little problems. And during soccer seasons I work > 2500/wk and I am running Factory.
I've always thought that Darktable was in a competition with Gimp to see who could come up with the LEAST intuitive interface. The Principal of Least Astonishment apparently never crossed their mind.
Laddies and Lassies,
I received a private mail from the OP and as it turns out - but you wouldn't think this from his post - is that he does NOT want to display RAW images in Gwenview but only jpeg images.
If you read his OP carefully what he was saying is that in the past he could *suppress* the display of RAW images as he only wanted to see jpg images.
He now wants to do same with the latest Gwenview which seems to display both RAW and jpgs - which is something he does not want.
Rather than respond to him in private I will make my comment here as to how to (probably) solve his problem. I already hinted at it in another response and that was that in Dolphin you can set (in the image Properties) which image viewer you want to use to view the image. I think one can work out now how NOT to see RAW images in Gwenview.....
BC
On Sunday 21 of September 2014 15:54:15 A. den Oudsten wrote:
In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version?
Gwenview supports RAW files since KDE SC 4.13
Cheers, Hrvoje
T.i.a. André den Oudsten
* šumski hrvoje.senjan@gmail.com [09-21-14 12:44]:
On Sunday 21 of September 2014 15:54:15 A. den Oudsten wrote:
In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version?
Gwenview supports RAW files since KDE SC 4.13
Problem expressed may not be related to gwenview supporting RAW, but which RAW is *supported*. There are very many RAW formats and probably all proprietary.
On Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:47:25 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- šumski hrvoje.senjan@gmail.com [09-21-14 12:44]:
On Sunday 21 of September 2014 15:54:15 A. den Oudsten wrote:
In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version?
Gwenview supports RAW files since KDE SC 4.13
Problem expressed may not be related to gwenview supporting RAW, but which RAW is *supported*. There are very many RAW formats and probably all proprietary.
Exactly. And you'd be amazed at how many budding photographers don't understand that, or that there are often differences in raw format withing any given manufacturer's camera line.
I once had a photography instructor tell his students to "resist the rush to raw" and just set up the camera to store images with the least compression, until they had several years of experience with that camera and had discovered specific annoyances that they could not correct through the camera controls.
Le 21/09/2014 20:39, John M Andersen a écrit :
I once had a photography instructor tell his students to "resist the rush to raw" and just set up the camera to store images with the least compression, until they had several years of experience with that camera and had discovered specific annoyances that they could not correct through the camera controls.
pretty good advice :-)
same as: start with a simple camera. When you can't anymore make what you want with the camera, buy a more sophisticated one", and learn.
I started to make photos 65 years ago :-), but to stay in recent cameras, I began with Canon EOS 350D, them EOS 50D and now EOSZ 5DMKII, and after a year I still don't master the last camera.
Why should a raw software be simpler than camera menus? Use it only of you can't acheive the result you want with the jpg. Ideally, one should shoot in raw+jpeg, but this is at least 5x the jpg size :-(, and 5x the time for any manipulation, let alone copy from sd card to hard drive
jdd
* John M Andersen jsamyth@gmail.com [09-21-14 14:41]:
On Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:47:25 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- šumski hrvoje.senjan@gmail.com [09-21-14 12:44]:
On Sunday 21 of September 2014 15:54:15 A. den Oudsten wrote:
In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version?
Gwenview supports RAW files since KDE SC 4.13
Problem expressed may not be related to gwenview supporting RAW, but which RAW is *supported*. There are very many RAW formats and probably all proprietary.
Exactly. And you'd be amazed at how many budding photographers don't understand that, or that there are often differences in raw format withing any given manufacturer's camera line.
I once had a photography instructor tell his students to "resist the rush to raw" and just set up the camera to store images with the least compression, until they had several years of experience with that camera and had discovered specific annoyances that they could not correct through the camera controls.
Like shooting soccer in setting sun with darkness one way and red/yellow tint the other which is very difficult to correct in jpg but fairly simple in raw. And the result very much favors raw.
On Sunday 21 of September 2014 18:47:25 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- šumski hrvoje.senjan@gmail.com [09-21-14 12:44]:
On Sunday 21 of September 2014 15:54:15 A. den Oudsten wrote:
In a earlier version of Gwenview my raw files were not displayed, so I could display the .jpg files only. Is it possible to organise that in the new version?
Gwenview supports RAW files since KDE SC 4.13
Problem expressed may not be related to gwenview supporting RAW, but which RAW is *supported*. There are very many RAW formats and probably all proprietary.
Sure. But with older releases no RAW was supported at all, so no sense in even tryin'
Cheers, Hrvoje
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