17 Mar
2013
17 Mar
'13
06:16
In another thread I mentioned that when I switch on my external 2TB USB
WD HDD, Dolphin accesses it and displays its contents to me; but then
when I go to use mc (Midnight Commander) this device is no longer
mounted in /media as it has been in past many years but now is found in
/var/run/media/<username>/<devicename> [in this case the volume name is WD].
Quite by accident a few minutes ago ('cause I am having another hassle,
to be describe later) I discovered that the device is ALSO mounted in
'run/media/<username>/<device>'.
(How many times is such a device 'mounted' and where else may I find it?)
Has anyone else found this to be the case?
BC
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В Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:16:18 +1100
Basil Chupin <blchupin(a)iinet.net.au> пишет:
In another thread I mentioned that when I switch on my
external 2TB USB
WD HDD, Dolphin accesses it and displays its contents to me; but then
when I go to use mc (Midnight Commander) this device is no longer
mounted in /media as it has been in past many years but now is found in
/var/run/media/<username>/<devicename> [in this case the volume name is WD].
Quite by accident a few minutes ago ('cause I am having another hassle,
to be describe later) I discovered that the device is ALSO mounted in
'run/media/<username>/<device>'.
/run and /var/run refer to exactly the same filesystem. You can
consider them aliases.
(How many times is such a device 'mounted'
and where else may I find it?)
Has anyone else found this to be the case?
BC
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On 17/03/13 16:44, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
� Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:16:18 +1100
Basil Chupin <blchupin(a)iinet.net.au> �����:
Thanks for this bit of information.
I didn't know that. But is this something which has only happened now
because of the change of where the device(s) are mounted or has this
always been this way (ie /run/media/.....) being a "copy" of the
mounting point?
[pruned]
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In another thread I mentioned that when I switch
on my external 2TB USB
WD HDD, Dolphin accesses it and displays its contents to me; but then
when I go to use mc (Midnight Commander) this device is no longer
mounted in /media as it has been in past many years but now is found in
/var/run/media/<username>/<devicename> [in this case the volume name is WD].
Quite by accident a few minutes ago ('cause I am having another hassle,
to be describe later) I discovered that the device is ALSO mounted in
'run/media/<username>/<device>'.
/run and /var/run refer to exactly the same filesystem. You can
consider them aliases. 
00:43
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El 17/03/13 20:08, Basil Chupin escribió:
Thanks for this bit of information.
I didn't know that. But is this something which has only happened now
because of the change of where the device(s) are mounted or has this
always been this way (ie /run/media/.....) being a "copy" of the
mounting point?
/var/run is a symlink to /run... which is provided as stop-gap backward
compatibility kludge. some applications and standards expect /var/run to
exist.
/run is the official new location, yet some apps still have not been
updated to reflect this fact.
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В Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:43:11 -0300
Cristian Rodríguez <crrodriguez(a)opensuse.org> пишет:
El 17/03/13 20:08, Basil Chupin escribió:
It is bind mount.
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Thanks for this bit of information.
I didn't know that. But is this something which has only happened now
because of the change of where the device(s) are mounted or has this
always been this way (ie /run/media/.....) being a "copy" of the
mounting point?
/var/run is a symlink to /run... 
01:25
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Basil Chupin said the following on 03/17/2013 07:08 PM:
On 17/03/13 16:44, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
Methinks they are the same inode by different names:
$ ls -lid /var/run /run
2370 drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 760 Mar 17 17:51 /run
2370 drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 760 Mar 17 17:51 /var/run
And a tmpfs at that!
See man (5) tmpfiles.d
man (8) systemd-tmpfiles
The mount point depending on which desktop manager you use seems like
lunacy to me; at the very least it should be a system configuration
parameter. At worst something in udev or udisks rules ..
Oh, wait .....
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� Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:16:18 +1100
Basil Chupin <blchupin(a)iinet.net.au> �����:
Thanks for this bit of information.
I didn't know that. But is this something which has only happened now
because of the change of where the device(s) are mounted or has this
always been this way (ie /run/media/.....) being a "copy" of the
mounting point? In another thread I mentioned that when I switch
on my external 2TB USB
WD HDD, Dolphin accesses it and displays its contents to me; but then
when I go to use mc (Midnight Commander) this device is no longer
mounted in /media as it has been in past many years but now is found in
/var/run/media/<username>/<devicename> [in this case the volume name is WD].
Quite by accident a few minutes ago ('cause I am having another hassle,
to be describe later) I discovered that the device is ALSO mounted in
'run/media/<username>/<device>'.
/run and /var/run refer to exactly the same filesystem. You can
consider them aliases.
01:48
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El 17/03/13 21:25, Anton Aylward escribió:
The mount point depending on which desktop manager you
use seems like
lunacy to me.
It does not depend on the desktop, but on what udisks version (1 or 2)
you are running...
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Cristian Rodríguez said the following on 03/17/2013 08:48 PM:
El 17/03/13 21:25, Anton Aylward escribió:
Good game, good game.
I have BOTH on my system. It seems which one is used, as if the
difference between /media and /run/media (hard coded into it!) is a
ball-buster thanks to the ability to symlink) depends on which desktop I
use.
What was that saying about 'a difference that makes no difference ....'
Symlinking may destroy the tree nature of the FS but its the sysadmin's
friend :-)
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The mount point depending on which desktop
manager you use seems like
lunacy to me.
It does not depend on the desktop, but on what udisks version (1 or 2)
you are running...
03:05
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Cristian Rodríguez said the following on 03/17/2013 08:48 PM:
El 17/03/13 21:25, Anton Aylward escribió:
So where does the org.freedesktop "database" live?
I don't mean the polkit stuff, that just "access control"
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/udisks-polkit-actions.html
I mean the stuff mentioned in
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Fil…
such as
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Fil…
Which you see in action but using the command 'udisksctl monitor' and
inserting the USB drive
As far as I can see there is n database, that this is all hypothetical
with those strings, including all the 'org.freedesktop ones, hard coded.
Which makes me wonder what's the point.
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The mount point depending on which desktop
manager you use seems like
lunacy to me.
It does not depend on the desktop, but on what udisks version (1 or 2)
you are running... 
31 Mar
31 Mar
13:14
New subject: [opensuse] What is it with this behaviour in 12.3? <<Thanks to all>>
Sorry to reopen older thread...
Dne Ne 17. března 2013 22:05:58, Anton Aylward napsal(a):
Cristian Rodríguez said the following on 03/17/2013
08:48 PM:
According to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809837 this is a bug,
which should be already fixed. I have openSUSE 12.3 (upgraded from 12.2) with
KDE 4.10.1, but I still see removable media in /var/run/username/medainame and
not in /media as I was used to for quite a long time...
$ rpm -qa | grep udisk
udisks-1.0.4-11.1.1.x86_64
libudisks2-0-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
udisks2-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
What do I do wrong? How to get medias back to /media? I didn't do any changes
to udisk rules.
Have a nice day,
Vojtěch
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El 17/03/13 21:25, Anton Aylward escribió:
So where does the org.freedesktop "database" live?
I don't mean the polkit stuff, that just "access control"
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/udisks-polkit-actions.html
I mean the stuff mentioned in
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.File
system.html#gdbus-property-org-freedesktop-UDisks2-Filesystem.MountPoints
such as
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.File
system.html#gdbus-property-org-freedesktop-UDisks2-Filesystem.MountPoints
Which you see in action but using the command 'udisksctl monitor' and
inserting the USB drive
As far as I can see there is n database, that this is all hypothetical
with those strings, including all the 'org.freedesktop ones, hard coded.
Which makes me wonder what's the point. The mount point depending on which desktop
manager you use seems like
lunacy to me.
It does not depend on the desktop, but on what udisks version (1 or 2)
you are running... 
15:44
New subject: [opensuse] What is it with this behaviour in 12.3? <<Thanks to all>>
"Vojtěch Zeisek" <vojtech.zeisek(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
Sorry to reopen older thread...
Dne Ne 17. března 2013 22:05:58, Anton Aylward napsal(a):
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.File
system.html#gdbus-property-org-freedesktop-UDisks2-Filesystem.MountPoints
>
> such as
>
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.File
system.html#gdbus-property-org-freedesktop-UDisks2-Filesystem.MountPoints
The bugzilla says you have to both get the update and edit the rules. You say you
didn't edit the rules and you wonder why it doesn't work?
Greg
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Cristian Rodríguez said the following on
03/17/2013 08:48 PM:
> El 17/03/13 21:25, Anton Aylward escribió:
>> The mount point depending on which desktop manager you use seems
like
>> lunacy to me.
>
> It does not depend on the desktop, but on what udisks version (1 or
2)
you are
running...
So where does the org.freedesktop "database" live?
I don't mean the polkit stuff, that just "access control"
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/udisks-polkit-actions.html
I mean the stuff mentioned in
Which you see in action but using the command 'udisksctl monitor' and
inserting the USB drive
As far as I can see there is n database, that this is all
hypothetical
with those strings, including all the
'org.freedesktop ones, hard
coded.
Which makes me wonder what's the point.
According to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809837 this is
a bug,
which should be already fixed. I have openSUSE 12.3 (upgraded from
12.2) with
KDE 4.10.1, but I still see removable media in
/var/run/username/medainame and
not in /media as I was used to for quite a long time...
$ rpm -qa | grep udisk
udisks-1.0.4-11.1.1.x86_64
libudisks2-0-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
udisks2-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
What do I do wrong? How to get medias back to /media? I didn't do any
changes
to udisk rules.
Have a nice day,
Vojtěch
23:24
New subject: [opensuse] What is it with this behaviour in 12.3? <<Thanks to all>>
Dne Ne 31. března 2013 09:44:00 jste napsal(a):
"Vojtěch Zeisek"
<vojtech.zeisek(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
I'm sorry for my blindness and poor knowledge of udev rules, but from the
discussion in Bugzilla I don't see where should I put what. Yes, to
/etc/udev/rules.d/, but what next? Unless it needs some custom actions like
manual edits of udev rules, I don't consider the bug as fixed...
All the best,
Vojtěch
PS: Greg, sorry for PM first, I didn't check correct reply to address...
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Dne Ne 17. března 2013 22:05:58, Anton Aylward
napsal(a):
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Fil
e
system.html#gdbus-property-org-freedesktop-UDisks2-Filesystem.MountPoints
The bugzilla says you have to both get the update and edit the rules. You
say you didn't edit the rules and you wonder why it doesn't work?
Greg Cristian Rodríguez said the following on
03/17/2013 08:48 PM:
> El 17/03/13 21:25, Anton Aylward escribió:
>> The mount point depending on which desktop manager you use seems
like
>> lunacy to me.
>
> It does not depend on the desktop, but on what udisks version (1 or
2)
you are
running...
So where does the org.freedesktop "database" live?
I don't mean the polkit stuff, that just "access control"
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/udisks-polkit-actions.html
I mean the stuff mentioned in such as
http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Fil
e
system.html#gdbus-property-org-freedesktop-UDisks2-Filesystem.MountPoints
Which you see in action but using the command
'udisksctl monitor' and
inserting the USB drive
As far as I can see there is n database, that this is all
hypothetical
with those strings, including all the
'org.freedesktop ones, hard
coded.
Which makes me wonder what's the point.
According to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809837 this is
a bug,
which should be already fixed. I have openSUSE 12.3 (upgraded from
12.2) with
KDE 4.10.1, but I still see removable media in
/var/run/username/medainame and
not in /media as I was used to for quite a long time...
$ rpm -qa | grep udisk
udisks-1.0.4-11.1.1.x86_64
libudisks2-0-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
udisks2-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
What do I do wrong? How to get medias back to /media? I didn't do any
changes
to udisk rules.
Have a nice day,
Vojtěch 
23:31
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* Vojtěch Zeisek <vojtech.zeisek(a)opensuse.org> [03-31-13 17:25]:
I'm sorry for my blindness and poor knowledge of
udev rules, but from the
discussion in Bugzilla I don't see where should I put what. Yes, to
/etc/udev/rules.d/, but what next? Unless it needs some custom actions like
manual edits of udev rules, I don't consider the bug as fixed...
For me with:
17:29 Crash: ~ # rpm -qa *udisk*
udisks-1.0.4-11.1.1.x86_64
udisks2-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
libudisks2-0-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
udisks-glue-1.3.1-86.1.1.x86_64
I created:
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
including:
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto",
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
that's a one liner
and it works-for-me :^)
gud luk,
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Patrick Shanahan said the following on 03/31/2013 05:31 PM:
I created:
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
including:
** INCLUDING ** ????
So what else was in there? Might it be critical?
I hate it when you phrase things like that and leave us hanging ...
Oh, and is one of Linda's "need to reboot" cases?
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* Anton Aylward <opensuse(a)antonaylward.com> [03-31-13 17:51]:
Patrick Shanahan said the following on 03/31/2013
05:31 PM:
Ah, "including" one liner :^), ie: that's all folks!
##> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto",
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
I created:
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
including:
** INCLUDING ** ????
So what else was in there? Might it be critical?
I hate it when you phrase things like that and leave us hanging ... Oh, and is one of Linda's "need to
reboot" cases?
I didn't reboot and the mount moved from previously
/run/media/paka/<device-name> to /media/<device-name> on the *same* boot,
ie: no reboot was necessary.
no guarantees, ymmv
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В Sun, 31 Mar 2013 19:02:25 -0400
Patrick Shanahan <paka(a)opensuse.org> пишет:
* Anton Aylward <opensuse(a)antonaylward.com>
[03-31-13 17:51]:
if you want to be sure it is picked up
udevadm control --reload
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Patrick Shanahan said the following on 03/31/2013
05:31 PM:
Ah, "including" one liner :^), ie: that's all folks!
##> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto",
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
I created:
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
including:
** INCLUDING ** ????
So what else was in there? Might it be critical?
I hate it when you phrase things like that and leave us hanging ... Oh, and is one of Linda's "need to
reboot" cases?
I didn't reboot and the mount moved from previously
/run/media/paka/<device-name> to /media/<device-name> on the *same* boot,
ie: no reboot was necessary.
no guarantees, ymmv 
28 May
28 May
01:32
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On Sunday, 2013-03-31 at 19:02 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Ah, "including" one liner :^), ie:
that's all folks!
##> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto",
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
Can you verify something on your side, please?
I'm using that on a virtual test machine (12.3), and doing that I noticed
that /media is not a tmpfs.
Is this normal?
In my current 12.1 it is a tmpfs:
Telcontar:~ # mount | grep media
tmpfs on /media type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,mode=755)
Telcontar:~ #
But not in 12.3:
eleanor3:~ # mount | grep media
eleanor3:~ #
Now I don't know if this happens on all 12.3 systems, or if it is a side
effect of applying this rule... :-?
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(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
Oh, and is one of Linda's "need to
reboot" cases?
I didn't reboot and the mount moved from previously
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ie: no reboot was necessary.
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* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> [05-27-13 19:35]:
On Sunday, 2013-03-31 at 19:02 -0400, Patrick Shanahan
wrote:
It is not tmpfs on my system.
Ah, "including" one liner :^), ie:
that's all folks!
##> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto",
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
Can you verify something on your side, please?
I'm using that on a virtual test machine (12.3), and doing that I noticed
that /media is not a tmpfs.
Is this normal? Oh, and is one of Linda's "need to
reboot" cases?
I didn't reboot and the mount moved from previously
/run/media/paka/<device-name> to /media/<device-name> on the *same* boot,
ie: no reboot was necessary.
no guarantees, ymmv In my current 12.1 it is a tmpfs:
Telcontar:~ # mount | grep media
tmpfs on /media type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,mode=755)
Telcontar:~ #
But not in 12.3:
eleanor3:~ # mount | grep media
eleanor3:~ #
Now I don't know if this happens on all 12.3 systems, or if it is a side
effect of applying this rule... :-?
I cannot say, but I have a vbox of 13.1/factory which "/media" is not
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...
So probably, at some time between 12.1 and 12.3 /media stopped being a
tmpfs and changed back to a "real" directory. Now the question is if this
intentional or if it is a bug.
Now I wonder... where are these tmpfs defined? Not in fstab.
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* Carlos E. R. <> [05-27-13 19:35]:
Is this
normal?
It is not tmpfs on my system. Now I
don't know if this happens on all 12.3 systems, or if it is a side
effect of applying this rule... :-?
I cannot say, but I have a vbox of 13.1/factory which "/media" is not
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 03:41:47 +0200 (CEST)
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> wrote:
...
Now I wonder... where are these tmpfs defined? Not in
fstab.
Try this:
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-tmpfiles.html
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El 27/05/13 21:56, Rajko escribió:
On Tue, 28 May 2013 03:41:47 +0200 (CEST)
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> wrote:
...
Those have nothing to do with tmpfs mounts.
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Now I wonder... where are these tmpfs defined?
Not in fstab.
Try this:
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-tmpfiles.html
04:32
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On 2013-05-28 04:16, Cristian Rodr￭guez wrote:
El 27/05/13 21:56, Rajko escribi:
Those have nothing to do with tmpfs mounts.
Ok, then where is it done?
Because the files mentioned in those man pages do exist in 12.3:
eleanor3:~ # ls /etc/tmpfiles.d/*.conf /run/tmpfiles.d/*.conf \
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/*.conf
ls: cannot access /run/tmpfiles.d/*.conf: No such file or directory
/etc/tmpfiles.d/remove-systemd-private.conf
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/legacy.conf
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/nscd.conf
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/parallel-printer.conf
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/screen.conf
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/x11.conf
eleanor3:~ #
And they do contain definitions to create some tmpfs, like the one
used to mount devices:
eleanor3:~ # grep "run/user" /etc/tmpfiles.d/*.conf \
/run/tmpfiles.d /*.conf /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/*.conf
grep: /run/tmpfiles.d/*.conf: No such file or directory
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf:d /run/user 0755 root root ~10d
eleanor3:~ #
:-?
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 03:41:47 +0200 (CEST)
"Carlos E. R." <>
wrote: ...
Now I wonder... where are these tmpfs defined?
Not in fstab.
Try this:
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html
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El 27/05/13 22:32, Carlos E. R. escribió:
And they do contain definitions to create some tmpfs, like the one
used to mount devices:
No, they contain definitions to create directories that may or may not
be in tmpfs ..
systemd-tmpfiles does not have the capability of creating mount points.
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New subject: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3? [Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
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On 2013-05-28 04:41, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 27/05/13 22:32, Carlos E. R. escribió:
No, that's not what we are talking about.
The mount points in /media are created already, in /media, not in
'run/media/<username>/<device>', as we want.
The problem is that in 12.1 /media was a tmpfs, and in 12.3 it is not.
Why?
Is this an intentional change, or is it a slip and should we create
"/media" ourselves as a tmpfs (and how), and create a bugreport about it?
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(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
And they do contain definitions to create some tmpfs, like the
one used to mount devices:
No, they contain definitions to create directories that may or may
not be in tmpfs ..
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 05:04:42 +0200
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> пишет:
The problem is that in 12.1 /media was a tmpfs, and in 12.3 it is not.
Why?
Is this an intentional change, or is it a slip and should we create
"/media" ourselves as a tmpfs (and how), and create a bugreport about it?
commit 231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa
Author: Lennart Poettering <lennart(a)poettering.net>
Date: Tue Mar 27 17:04:22 2012 +0200
units: don't mount tmpfs on /media anymore
udisks2 doesn't use /media anymore, instead mounts removable media in a
user-private directory beneath /run. /media is hence mostly obsolete and
hence it makes little sense to continue to mount a tmpfs to it.
Distributions should consider dropping the mount point entirely since
nothing uses it anymore.
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New subject: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3? [Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
On Tuesday 28 May 2013, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
В Tue, 28 May 2013 05:04:42 +0200
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> пишет:
And how can we auto-mount removable medias now so that they are visible
for all users, using persistent mount point names (independent of a
user's name)?
The problem is that in 12.1 /media was a tmpfs,
and in 12.3 it is
not. Why?
Is this an intentional change, or is it a slip and should we create
"/media" ourselves as a tmpfs (and how), and create a bugreport
about it?
commit 231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa
Author: Lennart Poettering <lennart(a)poettering.net>
Date: Tue Mar 27 17:04:22 2012 +0200
units: don't mount tmpfs on /media anymore
udisks2 doesn't use /media anymore, instead mounts removable
media in a user-private directory beneath /run. /media is hence
mostly obsolete and hence it makes little sense to continue to mount
a tmpfs to it.
Distributions should consider dropping the mount point entirely
since nothing uses it anymore.
cu,
Rudi
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On 2013-05-28 06:18, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
В Tue, 28 May 2013 05:04:42 +0200 "Carlos E.
R." <> пишет:
So, it is intentional.
However, it is wrong, because: if we create:
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
with this content:
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto", \
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
(one line, mail wraps)
and run
udevadm control --reload
then media is again mounted in /media. I understand that this works
after a patch, so we need to reconsider that "/media" removal, and how
to create it again as a tmpfs.
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Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
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Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
The problem is that in 12.1 /media was a tmpfs,
and in 12.3 it is
not. Why?
Is this an intentional change, or is it a slip
and should we
create "/media" ourselves as a tmpfs (and how), and create a
bugreport about it?
commit 231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa Author: Lennart
Poettering <lennart(a)poettering.net> Date: Tue Mar 27 17:04:22
2012 +0200
units: don't mount tmpfs on /media anymore
udisks2 doesn't use /media anymore, instead mounts removable media
in a user-private directory beneath /run. /media is hence mostly
obsolete and hence it makes little sense to continue to mount a
tmpfs to it.
Distributions should consider dropping the mount point entirely
since nothing uses it anymore.
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"Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
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On 2013-05-28 06:18, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
Interesting, sounds like a couple of bugzilla's should be opened: one for 2.3 and one
for factory. I say 2 since I suspect each will need a different fix.
The patch you refer to is actually a back port from current udisks2 upstream as I recall,
so Lennart's patch should be reverted upstream as well.
Then the patch reversion should flow into factory automatically.
I don't have a theory as to what should happen in 12.3.
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 05:04:42 +0200 "Carlos E.
R." <> пишет:
So, it is intentional.
However, it is wrong, because: if we create:
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
with this content:
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto", \
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
(one line, mail wraps)
and run
udevadm control --reload
then media is again mounted in /media. I understand that this works
after a patch, so we need to reconsider that "/media" removal, and how
to create it again as a tmpfs. The problem is that in 12.1 /media was a tmpfs,
and in 12.3 it is
not. Why?
Is this an intentional change, or is it a slip
and should we
create "/media" ourselves as a tmpfs (and how), and create a
bugreport about it?
commit 231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa Author: Lennart
Poettering <lennart(a)poettering.net> Date: Tue Mar 27 17:04:22
2012 +0200
units: don't mount tmpfs on /media anymore
udisks2 doesn't use /media anymore, instead mounts removable media
in a user-private directory beneath /run. /media is hence mostly
obsolete and hence it makes little sense to continue to mount a
tmpfs to it.
Distributions should consider dropping the mount point entirely
since nothing uses it anymore.
16:01
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On 2013-05-28 15:38, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Interesting, sounds like a couple of bugzilla's
should be opened:
one for 2.3 and one for factory. I say 2 since I suspect each will
need a different fix.
I can write the 12.3 one. I don't have a factory system installed at
the moment.
Against what component, I wonder? Systemd?
The patch you refer to is actually a back port from
current udisks2
upstream as I recall, so Lennart's patch should be reverted
upstream as well.
Then the patch reversion should flow into factory automatically.
I don't have a theory as to what should happen in 12.3.
Dunno... I would be happy if they simply tell me where to configure it
myself.
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 16:01 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2013-05-28 15:38, Greg Freemyer wrote:
There is no systemd component. I'll use "Basesystem".
Done:
Bug 821989 - About the /media directory in 12.3 - tmpfs or not?
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(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
Interesting, sounds like a couple of
bugzilla's should be opened:
one for 2.3 and one for factory. I say 2 since I suspect each will
need a different fix.
I can write the 12.3 one. I don't have a factory system installed at
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 16:01:50 +0200
"Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r(a)opensuse.org> пишет:
What's wrong with /etc/fstab?
The patch you
refer to is actually a back port from current udisks2
upstream as I recall, so Lennart's patch should be reverted
upstream as well.
Then the patch reversion should flow into factory automatically.
I don't have a theory as to what should happen in 12.3.
Dunno... I would be happy if they simply tell me where to configure it
myself.
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 19:07 +0400, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
That 12.1 did not do it that way? :-)
It is created in /etc/init.d/boot.localfs:
if test -d /media && ! mountpoint -q /media; then
mount -n -t tmpfs -o mode=0755,nodev,nosuid tmpfs /media
fi
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 16:01:50 +0200 "Carlos E.
R." <> пишет:
Dunno... I
would be happy if they simply tell me where to configure it
myself.
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 17:22:55 +0200 (CEST)
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> пишет:
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 19:07 +0400, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
That 12.1 did not do it that way? :-)
And what's wrong with /etc/fstab in 12.3?
В Tue, 28 May 2013 16:01:50 +0200 "Carlos E.
R." <> пишет:
Dunno...
I would be happy if they simply tell me where to configure it
myself.
What's wrong with /etc/fstab?
It is created in /etc/init.d/boot.localfs:
if test -d /media && ! mountpoint -q /media; then
mount -n -t tmpfs -o mode=0755,nodev,nosuid tmpfs /media
fi
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 19:50 +0400, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
And what's wrong with /etc/fstab in 12.3?
That none of the existing tmpfs in 12.3 is not done there? :-)
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(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
В Tue, 28 May 2013 17:22:55 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos
E. R." <> пишет:
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What's wrong with /etc/fstab?
That 12.1 did not do it that way? :-)
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El 28/05/13 11:22, Carlos E. R. escribió:
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 19:07 +0400, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
That 12.1 did not do it that way? :-)
It is created in /etc/init.d/boot.localfs:
if test -d /media && ! mountpoint -q /media; then
mount -n -t tmpfs -o mode=0755,nodev,nosuid tmpfs /media
fi
boot.localfs is only used by sysvinit.
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 16:01:50 +0200 "Carlos E.
R." <> пишет:
Dunno...
I would be happy if they simply tell me where to configure it
myself.
What's wrong with /etc/fstab?
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 13:12 -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 28/05/13 11:22, Carlos E. R. escribió:
I know that.
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Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 19:07 +0400, Andrey
Borzenkov wrote:
That 12.1 did not do it that way? :-)
It is created in /etc/init.d/boot.localfs:
if test -d /media && ! mountpoint -q /media; then
mount -n -t tmpfs -o mode=0755,nodev,nosuid tmpfs /media
fi
boot.localfs is only used by sysvinit. В Tue, 28 May 2013 16:01:50 +0200 "Carlos E.
R." <> пишет:
Dunno...
I would be happy if they simply tell me where to configure it
myself.
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Andrey Borzenkov <arvidjaar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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"Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r(a)opensuse.org> пишет:
What's wrong with /etc/fstab?
Doesn't it require a line per unique thumbdrive / external USB drive?
If a person has dozens / hundreds of those, then he has to maintain
hundreds of /etc/fstab lines.
And if he buys a new one, he has to edit /etc/fstab each time?
Greg1
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The patch
you refer to is actually a back port from current udisks2
upstream as I recall, so Lennart's patch should be reverted
upstream as well.
Then the patch reversion should flow into factory automatically.
I don't have a theory as to what should happen in 12.3.
Dunno... I would be happy if they simply tell me where to configure it
myself.
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 12:48 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Andrey Borzenkov
<> wrote:
You are not reading the thread correctly.
Andrey is suggesting that I create /media as a tmpfs in fstab, he is not
talking of mounting external media via fstab - nor am I.
However, it is possible to do what you suggest: just label all the devices
with the same name, and mount by label. As long as you don't need two of
them, it works.
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 16:01:50 +0200
"Carlos E. R." <> пишет:
What's wrong with /etc/fstab?
Doesn't it require a line per unique thumbdrive / external USB drive?
If a person has dozens / hundreds of those, then he has to maintain
hundreds of /etc/fstab lines.
And if he buys a new one, he has to edit /etc/fstab each time? The patch
you refer to is actually a back port from current udisks2
upstream as I recall, so Lennart's patch should be reverted
upstream as well.
Then the patch reversion should flow into factory automatically.
I don't have a theory as to what should happen in 12.3.
Dunno... I would be happy if they simply tell me where to configure it
myself.
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El 28/05/13 10:01, Carlos E. R. escribió:
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On 2013-05-28 15:38, Greg Freemyer wrote:
There is nothing wrong in systemd or udev, nothing has to be reverted.
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Interesting, sounds like a couple of
bugzilla's should be opened:
one for 2.3 and one for factory. I say 2 since I suspect each will
need a different fix.
I can write the 12.3 one. I don't have a factory system installed at
the moment.
Against what component, I wonder? Systemd?
The patch you refer to is actually a back port
from current udisks2
upstream as I recall, so Lennart's patch should be reverted
upstream as well.
Then the patch reversion should flow into factory automatically.
I don't have a theory as to what should happen in 12.3.
Dunno... I would be happy if they simply tell me where to configure it
myself.
19:07
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El 28/05/13 09:06, Carlos E. R. escribió:
So, it is intentional.
However, it is wrong, because: if we create:
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
with this content:
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto", \
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
(one line, mail wraps)
then media is again mounted in /media. I understand
that this works
after a patch, so we need to reconsider that "/media" removal, and how
to create it again as a tmpfs.
No, adding custom udev rules to modify default behavior means you are on
your own.
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19:12
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2013. május 28. 6:18 napon Andrey Borzenkov <arvidjaar(a)gmail.com> írta:
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 05:04:42 +0200
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> пишет:
Hello:
I confess I have no idea what udisks2 is, and the latest version of openSUSE I have is
12.1.
I also use 11.2 on other machines. My goal is to be able to use my SUSE computer in the
same
way as I used it in the last ten years . Changes like these seems for me arbitrary and
unnecessary.
In 12.1 /media is a tmpfs. That means I can not create my floppy directory in it like in
previous
versions. Then I read here that in newer versions removable media is not mounted in media
but some
other /run/? directories. Why is that good? Who prefers to navigate to some ../../../../
directory instead
of /media? And as I understand correctly the media mounted by user A can't be read by
user B.
On a desktop. Why? That is if I mount a CD and switch user, that user can not read the
CD?
Do we really want this nonsense?
So to the list of KDE4, gnome3, and systemd is added this nice 'feature' as
well.
I start to think that it would be more benefit for linux if those developers of todays did
not do programing.
Istvan
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The problem is that in 12.1 /media was a tmpfs, and in 12.3 it is not.
Why?
Is this an intentional change, or is it a slip and should we create
"/media" ourselves as a tmpfs (and how), and create a bugreport about it?
commit 231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa
Author: Lennart Poettering <lennart(a)poettering.net>
Date: Tue Mar 27 17:04:22 2012 +0200
units: don't mount tmpfs on /media anymore
udisks2 doesn't use /media anymore, instead mounts removable media in a
user-private directory beneath /run. /media is hence mostly obsolete and
hence it makes little sense to continue to mount a tmpfs to it.
Distributions should consider dropping the mount point entirely since
nothing uses it anymore.
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 19:12 +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
Hello:
I confess I have no idea what udisks2 is, and the latest version of openSUSE I have is
12.1.
I also use 11.2 on other machines. My goal is to be able to use my SUSE computer in the
same
way as I used it in the last ten years . Changes like these seems for me arbitrary and
unnecessary.
In 12.1 /media is a tmpfs. That means I can not create my floppy directory in it like in
previous
versions.
You were assumed never to create your mountpoints in /media, you should
leave that directory alone. For manual mounting you were assumed to use
/mnt instead.
Then I read here that in newer versions removable
media is not mounted in media but some
other /run/? directories. Why is that good? Who prefers to navigate to some ../../../../
directory instead
of /media? And as I understand correctly the media mounted by user A can't be read
by user B.
On a desktop. Why? That is if I mount a CD and switch user, that user can not read the
CD?
Do we really want this nonsense?
Yes, that's right.
On some setups, you want to keep media private; on some they need it
shared. There is no easy to find switch to change that behaviour.
At least, there is support for using /media by some devs, while some other
devs (Cristian) want to punish us users for some unknown sins, perhaps,
and decide what is best for us.
I start to think that it would be more benefit for
linux if those developers of todays did not do programing.
:-}
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 19:12 +0200, Istvan Gabor
wrote:
At least, there is support for using /media by some devs, while some
other devs (Cristian) want to punish us users for some unknown sins,
perhaps, and decide what is best for us.
===
Original sin? We chose to use computers?
> I start to think that it would be more benefit for linux if those
> developers of todays did not do programing.
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Nah, they problem is no way of teaching past mistakes
to new developers... they have to do it all themselves.
:-/
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-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos E. R. <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net>
To: oS-en <opensuse(a)opensuse.org>
Subject: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3? [Was:
What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 05:04:42 +0200
.....
The mount points in /media are created already, in /media, not in
'run/media/<username>/<device>', as we want.
-----Original Message-----
Just wondering: which "..../<username>/...."
If user_A, user_B, user_C, user_D are currently logged in,
and you insert a mem-stick, cd or dvd where does that appear, and to
whom is it reachable?
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14:07
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On 05/28/2013 01:37 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Just wondering: which "..../<username>/...."
If user_A, user_B, user_C, user_D are currently logged in,
and you insert a mem-stick, cd or dvd where does that appear, and to
whom is it reachable?
should we assume (in your question) that each of those users have
their own terminal (or X server? or own SSH/VNC session), their own
monitor/keyboard/USB/ and CD/DVD drive when "you" (i should assume
user_A?) inserts a mem-stick into "your" USB?
or was each of those users previously logged into an active session,
but not active when user_D inserted a mem-stick?
or what?
dd
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-----Original Message-----
From: DenverD <DenverD(a)mail.dk>
To: opensuse(a)opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3?
[Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:07:09 +0200
On 05/28/2013 01:37 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Just wondering: which "..../<username>/...."
If user_A, user_B, user_C, user_D are currently logged in,
and you insert a mem-stick, cd or dvd where does that appear, and to
whom is it reachable?
should we assume (in your question) that each of those users have
their own terminal (or X server? or own SSH/VNC session), their own
monitor/keyboard/USB/ and CD/DVD drive when "you" (i should assume
user_A?) inserts a mem-stick into "your" USB?
or was each of those users previously logged into an active session,
but not active when user_D inserted a mem-stick?
or what?
dd
-----Original Message-----
On the machine that i was working this afternoon, there were over
hundred others logged in remotely, with nomachine's NX.
How would you differentiate bewteen remote/local users?
Even if you could, wasn't there a project involving machines with
multiple displays and ditto keyboards & mices.....
In that case there are all local users!
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 19:49 +0200, Hans Witvliet wrote:
On the machine that i was working this afternoon,
there were over
hundred others logged in remotely, with nomachine's NX.
How would you differentiate bewteen remote/local users?
Yes, the system knows who is local and who is not. Automonting has to be
only for local users, it makes no sense for remote users. Check the output
of "who", for instance.
Even if you could, wasn't there a project
involving machines with
multiple displays and ditto keyboards & mices.....
In that case there are all local users!
In this case, yes.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos E. R. <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net>
To: OS-en <opensuse(a)opensuse.org>
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3?
[Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 19:54:17 +0200 (CEST)
On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 19:49 +0200, Hans Witvliet wrote:
On the machine that i was working this afternoon,
there were over
hundred others logged in remotely, with nomachine's NX.
How would you differentiate bewteen remote/local users?
Yes, the system knows who is local and who is not. Automonting has to be
only for local users, it makes no sense for remote users. Check the output
of "who", for instance.
Even if you could, wasn't there a project
involving machines with
multiple displays and ditto keyboards & mices.....
In that case there are all local users!
In this case, yes.
-----Original Message-----
No, automount should not be restricted for locals only.
But with regards to locally mounted media,
would this problem not be avoided to make (some) user member of a
media-group, and make any media available to that group?
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 19:49:04 +0200
Hans Witvliet <suse(a)a-domani.nl> пишет:
On 05/28/2013 01:37 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Just wondering: which "..../<username>/...."
If user_A, user_B, user_C, user_D are currently logged in,
and you insert a mem-stick, cd or dvd where does that appear, and to
whom is it reachable?
On the machine that i was working this afternoon, there were over
hundred others logged in remotely, with nomachine's NX.
How would you differentiate bewteen remote/local users?
Local users are users logged in using locally attached devices. VGA
adapter and keyboard are local devices, SSH session is not.
Even if you could, wasn't there a project
involving machines with
multiple displays and ditto keyboards & mices.....
In that case there are all local users!
Current model is - devices are combined in "seats", so users working on
one seat do not have access to device connected to another seat. "Seat"
could consist of monitor, keyboard/mouse and USB hub in this keyboard.
So USB stick plugged in USB port on keyboard belongs to user that is
logged in using this keyboard.
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Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
В Tue, 28 May 2013 19:49:04 +0200
Hans Witvliet <suse(a)a-domani.nl> пишет:
Hmm, if that (i.e. including the USB hub in the "seat") actually works,
it would be pretty cool!
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On 05/28/2013 01:37 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Just wondering: which "..../<username>/...."
If user_A, user_B, user_C, user_D are currently logged in,
and you insert a mem-stick, cd or dvd where does that appear, and
to whom is it reachable?
On the machine that i was working this afternoon, there were over
hundred others logged in remotely, with nomachine's NX.
How would you differentiate bewteen remote/local users?
Local users are users logged in using locally attached devices. VGA
adapter and keyboard are local devices, SSH session is not.
Even if you could, wasn't there a project
involving machines with
multiple displays and ditto keyboards & mices.....
In that case there are all local users!
Current model is - devices are combined in "seats", so users working
on one seat do not have access to device connected to another seat.
"Seat" could consist of monitor, keyboard/mouse and USB hub in this
keyboard. So USB stick plugged in USB port on keyboard belongs to user
that is logged in using this keyboard.
29 May
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06:02
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Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
Current model is - devices are combined in
"seats", so users working on
one seat do not have access to device connected to another seat.
---
I think this is a large part of the disconnect -- in that it breaks the
1-user:1-computer model which many of us aren't willing to let go of
just because 1000 other people want to be in the clouds. Not yet, at least.
If they were in other 'seats', they'd be running under a hypervisor and
wouldn't have access to 'my' local USB slot unless their virtual machine
asked
nicely for it. But if they are logged in virtually, from half a town or world
away -- I can't see how it would be useful for a USB port on my local
computer would be useful for a remote user to install media in -- generally
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From: Carlos E. R. <>
To the one that is seated in front of the computer and keyboard, using
the active local session.
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(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
The mount points in /media are created already,
in /media, not
in 'run/media/<username>/<device>', as we want.
Just wondering: which "..../<username>/...."
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
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There might even be more of those - ref the multi-seat discussion from a
few days ago.
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From: Carlos E. R. <>
To the one that is seated in front of the computer and keyboard, using
the active local session. The mount points in /media are created already,
in /media, not
in 'run/media/<username>/<device>', as we want.
Just wondering: which "..../<username>/...."
If user_A, user_B, user_C, user_D are currently logged in, and you
insert a mem-stick, cd or dvd where does that appear, and to whom
is it reachable?
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 15:23 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Oh - I didn't notice that thread. Or I forgot.
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
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the active local session.
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On Tuesday 28 May 2013, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, I have setups with 2 monitors, 2 keyboards, 2 mouses ... 2 active
users sitting in front of the machine.
And there are also machines where I want to allow ssh users to access
the automounts. For example the last machine in our office which still
has a DVD drive.
Auto-mounting user-dependent does not make sense in my case.
cu,
Rudi
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On 2013-05-28 13:37, Hans Witvliet wrote:
There might even be more of those - ref the multi-seat discussion
from a few days ago. From: Carlos E. R. <>
To the one that is seated in front of the computer and keyboard,
using the active local session. The mount points in /media are created already,
in /media, not
in 'run/media/<username>/<device>', as we want.
Just wondering: which "..../<username>/...."
If user_A, user_B, user_C, user_D are currently logged in, and you
insert a mem-stick, cd or dvd where does that appear, and to whom
is it reachable?
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 16:15 +0200, Ruediger Meier wrote:
Not even automounting! :-)
You need manual mounting, because the mounted filesystem has to be
assigned to someone... You need control of the group permissions.
- --
Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
On Tuesday 28 May 2013, Per Jessen wrote:
There might
even be more of those - ref the multi-seat discussion
from a few days ago.
Yes, I have setups with 2 monitors, 2 keyboards, 2 mouses ... 2 active
users sitting in front of the machine.
And there are also machines where I want to allow ssh users to access
the automounts. For example the last machine in our office which still
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"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> wrote:
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 16:15 +0200, Ruediger Meier wrote:
active
Why doesn't the shared auto-mounting feature work for that? That's the newly
available configurable feature rolled out to 12.3 as a bugzilla fix and will be available
day 1 in 3.1 (via a manual config file edit only I assume).
That's the very feature that needs /media to exist and why it should be a tmpfs most
likely.
Greg
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On Tuesday 28 May 2013, Per Jessen wrote:
There
might even be more of those - ref the multi-seat discussion
from a few days ago.
Yes, I have setups with 2 monitors, 2 keyboards, 2 mouses ... 2 users sitting in front of the machine.
And there are also machines where I want to allow ssh users to access
the automounts. For example the last machine in our office which
still
has a DVD drive.
Auto-mounting user-dependent does not make sense in my case.
Not even automounting! :-)
You need manual mounting, because the mounted filesystem has to be
assigned to someone... You need control of the group permissions.
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 11:15 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Dunno about that feature. :-?
- --
Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
"Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
You need
manual mounting, because the mounted filesystem has to be
assigned to someone... You need control of the group permissions.
Why doesn't the shared auto-mounting feature work for that? That's the
newly available configurable feature rolled out to 12.3 as a bugzilla
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Carlos E. R.
<robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> wrote:
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 11:15 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Dunno about that feature. :-?
- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
Let me quote from this really smart guy named Carlos E. R. (are there
2 of you?):
==
However, it is wrong, because: if we create:
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
with this content:
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto", \
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
(one line, mail wraps)
and run
udevadm control --reload
then media is again mounted in /media. I understand that this works
after a patch, so we need to reconsider that "/media" removal, and how
to create it again as a tmpfs.
===
Note that in what you (or your double) posted above you have:
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
That means when a thumbdrive, etc. is physically plugged in it gets
mounted in /media as a shared resource, not per-user. Anyone with
multiple physical heads would probably want to get the latest udisk2
update (via a normal zypper update or zypper patch) and then create
the config entry as described above. I don't think there is any need
for a manual mount.
Greg
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"Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
You need
manual mounting, because the mounted filesystem has to be
assigned to someone... You need control of the group permissions.
Why doesn't the shared auto-mounting feature work for that? That's the
newly available configurable feature rolled out to 12.3 as a bugzilla fix
and will be available day 1 in 3.1 (via a manual config file edit only I
assume).
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 12:43 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Carlos E. R.
<> wrote:
That means when a thumbdrive, etc. is physically
plugged in it gets
mounted in /media as a shared resource, not per-user. Anyone with
multiple physical heads would probably want to get the latest udisk2
update (via a normal zypper update or zypper patch) and then create
the config entry as described above. I don't think there is any need
for a manual mount.
I'm using that feature since about a month ago - but you miss the point,
the permissions:
eleanor3:~ # l /media
total 40
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 28 18:51 ./
drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 May 1 02:43 ../
drwx------ 16 cer users 16384 Jan 1 1970 KINGSTON/
eleanor3:~ #
Only the user in the seat can access it, it is not a "shared resource".
That's the problem that Ruediger has - check the thread.
- --
Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar)
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 18:57:15 +0200 (CEST)
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> пишет:
On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 12:43 -0400, Greg Freemyer
wrote:
In the current (where "current" means several years old at least)
framework this is out of scope of system administration. Filesystem is
mounted using whatever options *client* supplies. Where "client"
usually means some agent started as part of your favorite desktop
environment.
So if shared access is needed, either desktop environment has to offer
interface to configure mount options (to set gid=xxx or umask=xxx or
whatever) or - preferably - file system that supports access control
under Linux is to be used.
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Carlos E. R.
<> wrote:
That means when a thumbdrive, etc. is physically
plugged in it gets
mounted in /media as a shared resource, not per-user. Anyone with
multiple physical heads would probably want to get the latest udisk2
update (via a normal zypper update or zypper patch) and then create
the config entry as described above. I don't think there is any need
for a manual mount.
I'm using that feature since about a month ago - but you miss the point,
the permissions:
eleanor3:~ # l /media
total 40
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 28 18:51 ./
drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 May 1 02:43 ../
drwx------ 16 cer users 16384 Jan 1 1970 KINGSTON/
eleanor3:~ #
Only the user in the seat can access it, it is not a "shared resource".
That's the problem that Ruediger has - check the thread.
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09:09
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В Tue, 28 May 2013 21:25:29 +0400
Andrey Borzenkov <arvidjaar(a)gmail.com> пишет:
В Tue, 28 May 2013 18:57:15 +0200 (CEST)
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> пишет:
As an illustration.
bor@opensuse:~/src/udisks> tail -1 /proc/mounts
/dev/sdb /var/run/media/bor/A48F-A29B vfat
rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=501,gid=501,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro
0 0
bor@opensuse:~> udisksctl unmount -b /dev/sdb
Unmounted /dev/sdb.
bor@opensuse:~> udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdb -o dmask=000
Mounted /dev/sdb at /run/media/bor/A48F-A29B.
bor@opensuse:~/src/udisks> tail -1 /proc/mounts
/dev/sdb /var/run/media/bor/A48F-A29B vfat
rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=501,gid=501,fmask=0022,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro
0 0
bor@opensuse:~/src/udisks> ll /run/media/bor
итого 32
drwxrwxrwx 3 bor bor 16384 янв 1 1970 A48F-A29B
The real problem is - how to change mount options. I spent almost an
hour trying to find it for GNOME3 with no avail. I still do not know.
It seems that the only way is to check out full GNOME sources and use
grep ...
On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 12:43 -0400, Greg
Freemyer wrote:
In the current (where "current" means several years old at least)
framework this is out of scope of system administration. Filesystem is
mounted using whatever options *client* supplies. Where "client"
usually means some agent started as part of your favorite desktop
environment.
So if shared access is needed, either desktop environment has to offer
interface to configure mount options (to set gid=xxx or umask=xxx or
whatever) or - preferably - file system that supports access control
under Linux is to be used.
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Carlos E. R.
<> wrote:
That means when a thumbdrive, etc. is physically
plugged in it gets
mounted in /media as a shared resource, not per-user. Anyone with
multiple physical heads would probably want to get the latest udisk2
update (via a normal zypper update or zypper patch) and then create
the config entry as described above. I don't think there is any need
for a manual mount.
I'm using that feature since about a month ago - but you miss the point,
the permissions:
eleanor3:~ # l /media
total 40
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 28 18:51 ./
drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 May 1 02:43 ../
drwx------ 16 cer users 16384 Jan 1 1970 KINGSTON/
eleanor3:~ #
Only the user in the seat can access it, it is not a "shared resource".
That's the problem that Ruediger has - check the thread.
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В Wed, 29 May 2013 11:09:17 +0400
Andrey Borzenkov <arvidjaar(a)gmail.com> пишет:
В Tue, 28 May 2013 21:25:29 +0400
Andrey Borzenkov <arvidjaar(a)gmail.com> пишет:
Final answer is - GNOME3 does not provide any way to customize mount
options. Even with obscure and undocumented dconf invocation ... it
simply does not pass mount options to udisks2.
В Tue, 28 May 2013 18:57:15 +0200 (CEST)
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> пишет:
As an illustration.
bor@opensuse:~/src/udisks> tail -1 /proc/mounts
/dev/sdb /var/run/media/bor/A48F-A29B vfat
rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=501,gid=501,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro
0 0
bor@opensuse:~> udisksctl unmount -b /dev/sdb
Unmounted /dev/sdb.
bor@opensuse:~> udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdb -o dmask=000
Mounted /dev/sdb at /run/media/bor/A48F-A29B.
bor@opensuse:~/src/udisks> tail -1 /proc/mounts
/dev/sdb /var/run/media/bor/A48F-A29B vfat
rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=501,gid=501,fmask=0022,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro
0 0
bor@opensuse:~/src/udisks> ll /run/media/bor
итого 32
drwxrwxrwx 3 bor bor 16384 янв 1 1970 A48F-A29B
The real problem is - how to change mount options. I spent almost an
hour trying to find it for GNOME3 with no avail. I still do not know.
It seems that the only way is to check out full GNOME sources and use
grep ...
On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 12:43 -0400, Greg
Freemyer wrote:
In the current (where "current" means several years old at least)
framework this is out of scope of system administration. Filesystem is
mounted using whatever options *client* supplies. Where "client"
usually means some agent started as part of your favorite desktop
environment.
So if shared access is needed, either desktop environment has to offer
interface to configure mount options (to set gid=xxx or umask=xxx or
whatever) or - preferably - file system that supports access control
under Linux is to be used.
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Carlos E. R.
<> wrote:
That means when a thumbdrive, etc. is physically
plugged in it gets
mounted in /media as a shared resource, not per-user. Anyone with
multiple physical heads would probably want to get the latest udisk2
update (via a normal zypper update or zypper patch) and then create
the config entry as described above. I don't think there is any need
for a manual mount.
I'm using that feature since about a month ago - but you miss the point,
the permissions:
eleanor3:~ # l /media
total 40
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 28 18:51 ./
drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 May 1 02:43 ../
drwx------ 16 cer users 16384 Jan 1 1970 KINGSTON/
eleanor3:~ #
Only the user in the seat can access it, it is not a "shared resource".
That's the problem that Ruediger has - check the thread.
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18:01
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On 5/29/2013 11:49 AM, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
Final answer is - GNOME3 does not provide any way to
customize mount
options. Even with obscure and undocumented dconf invocation ... it
simply does not pass mount options to udisks2.
Since Gnome 3 doesn't provide it, you must be wrong for wanting it. All
hail Gnome 3.
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18:18
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On Wednesday 29 May 2013, Brian K. White wrote:
On 5/29/2013 11:49 AM, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
I can't laugh anymore about this kind of black humor.
The fact that nowadays people don't find it strange to look for mount
options in gnome is weird enough.
cu,
Rudi
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Final answer is - GNOME3 does not provide any way
to customize
mount options. Even with obscure and undocumented dconf invocation
... it simply does not pass mount options to udisks2.
Since Gnome 3 doesn't provide it, you must be wrong for wanting it.
All hail Gnome 3.
30 May
30 May
21:34
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian K. White <brian(a)aljex.com>
To: opensuse(a)opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3?
[Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:01:08 -0400
On 5/29/2013 11:49 AM, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
Final answer is - GNOME3 does not provide any way to
customize mount
options. Even with obscure and undocumented dconf invocation ... it
simply does not pass mount options to udisks2.
Since Gnome 3 doesn't provide it, you must be wrong for wanting it. All
hail Gnome 3.
-----Original Message-----
But .....
perhaps somebody finds "another" obscure desktop environment which does
provide that info.
So there might still be hope! (for some, at least ;-)
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21:38
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On 05/30/2013 03:34 PM, Hans Witvliet pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian K. White <brian(a)aljex.com>
To: opensuse(a)opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3?
[Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:01:08 -0400
On 5/29/2013 11:49 AM, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
Perhaps it is not Gnome3's job to provide that ability but instead it is
the job of Yast to do so.
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Final answer is - GNOME3 does not provide any way
to customize mount
options. Even with obscure and undocumented dconf invocation ... it
simply does not pass mount options to udisks2.
Since Gnome 3 doesn't provide it, you must be wrong for wanting it. All
hail Gnome 3.
-----Original Message-----
But .....
perhaps somebody finds "another" obscure desktop environment which does
provide that info.
So there might still be hope! (for some, at least ;-)
22:06
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On 5/30/2013 3:38 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 05/30/2013 03:34 PM, Hans Witvliet pecked at the
keyboard and wrote:
Not Gnome's job to mount things? Blaspheme!
Next you'll be saying maybe init shouldn't also be cron and xinetd and
syslog and udev and that system management should be implemented in
human-readable, run-time/emergency editable, run-time/emergency
debuggable, infinitely flexible, future-proof shell scripts, that have
already been written even!
Or that it's not the boot loaders job to try to activate fancy graphics
cards before the user has been given any option to say "no that will
break the serial console please don't do that" and that the graphics are
not more important than robust access to booting!
Or that maybe dbus isn't the most efficient thing to have init depend on!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian K. White <brian(a)aljex.com>
To: opensuse(a)opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3?
[Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:01:08 -0400
On 5/29/2013 11:49 AM, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
Perhaps it is not Gnome3's job to provide that ability but instead it is
the job of Yast to do so.
Final answer is - GNOME3 does not provide any way
to customize mount
options. Even with obscure and undocumented dconf invocation ... it
simply does not pass mount options to udisks2.
Since Gnome 3 doesn't provide it, you must be wrong for wanting it. All
hail Gnome 3.
-----Original Message-----
But .....
perhaps somebody finds "another" obscure desktop environment which does
provide that info.
So there might still be hope! (for some, at least ;-)
23:25
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On 05/30/2013 04:06 PM, Brian K. White pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On 5/30/2013 3:38 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
Exactly! It the function of the kernel and available to the user via the
mount command. Now, mount can be called by Gnome but Gnome needs to pass
the proper options to the mount command to work properly.
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On 05/30/2013 03:34 PM, Hans Witvliet pecked at
the keyboard and wrote:
Not Gnome's job to mount things? Blaspheme! -----Original Message-----
From: Brian K. White <brian(a)aljex.com>
To: opensuse(a)opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3?
[Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:01:08 -0400
On 5/29/2013 11:49 AM, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
Perhaps it is not Gnome3's job to provide that ability but instead it is
the job of Yast to do so.
Final answer is - GNOME3 does not provide any way
to customize mount
options. Even with obscure and undocumented dconf invocation ... it
simply does not pass mount options to udisks2.
Since Gnome 3 doesn't provide it, you must be wrong for wanting it. All
hail Gnome 3.
-----Original Message-----
But .....
perhaps somebody finds "another" obscure desktop environment which does
provide that info.
So there might still be hope! (for some, at least ;-)
31 May
31 May
08:47
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian K. White <brian(a)aljex.com>
To: opensuse(a)opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3?
[Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:06:45 -0400
On 5/30/2013 3:38 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 05/30/2013 03:34 PM, Hans Witvliet pecked at the
keyboard and wrote:
Not Gnome's job to mount things? Blaspheme!
-----Original Message-----
<grin>
Of course it is Gnome job to do such things!
Even when you don't use GNOME ;-)
Lets just imagine:
In a distant universe far, far away, there might be a lonely soul who is
only using the CLI: No KDER, sfce, lxde, E17 or even "X".
It would still be gnome's responsibility tp indicate where mount things?
Ok, serilously. I don't think it is wise to have YaST invoked each time
a new media is detected.
</grin>
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From: Brian K. White <brian(a)aljex.com>
To: opensuse(a)opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3?
[Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:01:08 -0400
On 5/29/2013 11:49 AM, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
Perhaps it is not Gnome3's job to provide that ability but instead it is
the job of Yast to do so.
Final answer is - GNOME3 does not provide any way
to customize mount
options. Even with obscure and undocumented dconf invocation ... it
simply does not pass mount options to udisks2.
Since Gnome 3 doesn't provide it, you must be wrong for wanting it. All
hail Gnome 3.
-----Original Message-----
But .....
perhaps somebody finds "another" obscure desktop environment which does
provide that info.
So there might still be hope! (for some, at least ;-)
28 May
28 May
19:31
New subject: [opensuse] Why is not /media a tmpfs any more in 12.3? [Was: What is it with this behaviour in 12.3?]
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Carlos E. R.
<robin.listas(a)telefonica.net> wrote:
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On Tuesday, 2013-05-28 at 12:43 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I admit to assuming when you told udisk2 to create a shared
filesystem, it actually did that. :(
fyi: I just checked on my laptop and have the same permissions as you. :(
Greg
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Carlos E. R.
<> wrote:
That means when a thumbdrive, etc. is physically
plugged in it gets
mounted in /media as a shared resource, not per-user. Anyone with
multiple physical heads would probably want to get the latest udisk2
update (via a normal zypper update or zypper patch) and then create
the config entry as described above. I don't think there is any need
for a manual mount.
I'm using that feature since about a month ago - but you miss the point, the
permissions:
eleanor3:~ # l /media
total 40
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 28 18:51 ./
drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 May 1 02:43 ../
drwx------ 16 cer users 16384 Jan 1 1970 KINGSTON/
eleanor3:~ #
Only the user in the seat can access it, it is not a "shared resource".
That's the problem that Ruediger has - check the thread.
1 Apr
1 Apr
10:41
New subject: [opensuse] What is it with this behaviour in 12.3? <<Thanks to all>>
Dne Ne 31. března 2013 17:31:56, Patrick Shanahan napsal(a):
* Vojtěch Zeisek <vojtech.zeisek(a)opensuse.org>
[03-31-13 17:25]:
It works fine, thank You. Such result I call fiexd bug. ;-)
Have a nice day,
Vojtěch
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I'm sorry for my blindness and poor
knowledge of udev rules, but from the
discussion in Bugzilla I don't see where should I put what. Yes, to
/etc/udev/rules.d/, but what next? Unless it needs some custom actions
like
manual edits of udev rules, I don't consider the bug as fixed...
For me with:
17:29 Crash: ~ # rpm -qa *udisk*
udisks-1.0.4-11.1.1.x86_64
udisks2-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
libudisks2-0-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
udisks-glue-1.3.1-86.1.1.x86_64
I created:
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
including:
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto",
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
that's a one liner
and it works-for-me :^)
gud luk, 
11:52
New subject: [opensuse] What is it with this behaviour in 12.3? <<Thanks to all>>
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:31:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
<snipped>
> 17:29 Crash: ~ # rpm -qa *udisk*
> udisks-1.0.4-11.1.1.x86_64
> udisks2-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
> libudisks2-0-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
> udisks-glue-1.3.1-86.1.1.x86_64
<snipped>
Hi Patrick,
I'm running 12.3 x86_64/KDE fully updated and have only the 'udisks2'
flavor of the above packages installed. Do you know what package(s)
pulled in 'udisks' and 'udisks-glue' and if it is necessary for this
modification that they be installed?
Thx!
Carl
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14:52
New subject: [opensuse] What is it with this behaviour in 12.3? <<Thanks to all>>
* Carl Hartung <opensuse(a)cehartung.com> [04-01-13 05:54]:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:31:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
<snipped>
I have Tumbleweed which is currently at 12.3. The udisks/udisks-glue
packages were undoubtedly "left-over" after the change to udisks2.
08:46 Crash: ~ # rpm -qa --last *udisk*
udisks2-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64 Wed Mar 27 13:54:14 2013
libudisks2-0-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64 Wed Mar 27 13:52:33 2013
udisks-glue-1.3.1-86.1.1.x86_64 Wed Mar 13 15:29:28 2013
udisks-1.0.4-11.1.1.x86_64 Wed Mar 13 15:24:44 2013
08:47 Crash: ~ # rpm -q --whatrequires udisks udisks-glue
no package requires udisks
no package requires udisks-glue
I have cc'd Greg KH for his attention as Tumbleweed is normally discussed
in -factory.
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> 17:29 Crash: ~ # rpm -qa *udisk*
> udisks-1.0.4-11.1.1.x86_64
> udisks2-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
> libudisks2-0-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
> udisks-glue-1.3.1-86.1.1.x86_64
<snipped>
I'm running 12.3 x86_64/KDE fully updated and have only the 'udisks2'
flavor of the above packages installed. Do you know what package(s)
pulled in 'udisks' and 'udisks-glue' and if it is necessary for this
modification that they be installed? 
11:52
New subject: [opensuse] What is it with this behaviour in 12.3? <<Thanks to all>>
On 01/04/13 21:41, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne Ne 31. března 2013 17:31:56, Patrick Shanahan
napsal(a):
+1. Thank you.
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* Vojtěch Zeisek
<vojtech.zeisek(a)opensuse.org> [03-31-13 17:25]:
It works fine, thank You. Such result I call fiexd bug. ;-)
Have a nice day,
Vojtěch
I'm sorry for my blindness and poor
knowledge of udev rules, but from the
discussion in Bugzilla I don't see where should I put what. Yes, to
/etc/udev/rules.d/, but what next? Unless it needs some custom actions
like
manual edits of udev rules, I don't consider the bug as fixed...
For me with:
17:29 Crash: ~ # rpm -qa *udisk*
udisks-1.0.4-11.1.1.x86_64
udisks2-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
libudisks2-0-2.0.0-5.4.1.x86_64
udisks-glue-1.3.1-86.1.1.x86_64
I created:
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules
including:
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto",
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
that's a one liner
and it works-for-me :^)
gud luk, 
17 Mar
17 Mar
08:49
On 03/17/2013 07:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
In another thread I mentioned that when I switch on my
external 2TB
USB WD HDD, Dolphin accesses it and displays its contents to me; but
then when I go to use mc (Midnight Commander) this device is no longer
mounted in /media as it has been in past many years but now is found
in /var/run/media/<username>/<devicename> [in this case the volume
name is WD].
Quite by accident a few minutes ago ('cause I am having another
hassle, to be describe later) I discovered that the device is ALSO
mounted in 'run/media/<username>/<device>'.
(How many times is such a device 'mounted' and where else may I find it?)
Has anyone else found this to be the case?
BC
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- likewise, for me : thus, as root on konsole, do :
# umount /dev/sdc* [in this case external HDD is sdc]
&, next proceed to mount device on /mnt
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14:53
Basil Chupin wrote:
In another thread I mentioned that when I switch on my
external 2TB
USB WD HDD, Dolphin accesses it and displays its contents to me; but
then when I go to use mc (Midnight Commander) this device is no longer
mounted in /media as it has been in past many years but now is found
in /var/run/media/<username>/<devicename> [in this case the volume
name is WD].
Quite by accident a few minutes ago ('cause I am having another
hassle, to be describe later) I discovered that the device is ALSO
mounted in 'run/media/<username>/<device>'.
(How many times is such a device 'mounted' and where else may I find
it?)
'df' will tell you.
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:53:48 +0100
Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
According to
https://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/484495…
this is a regression; see bug report:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809837
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In another thread I mentioned that when I switch
on my external 2TB
USB WD HDD, Dolphin accesses it and displays its contents to me; but
then when I go to use mc (Midnight Commander) this device is no
longer mounted in /media as it has been in past many years but now
is found in /var/run/media/<username>/<devicename> [in this case
the volume name is WD].
Quite by accident a few minutes ago ('cause I am having another
hassle, to be describe later) I discovered that the device is ALSO
mounted in 'run/media/<username>/<device>'.
(How many times is such a device 'mounted' and where else may I find
it?)
'df' will tell you.
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