On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 08:38, Basil Chupin wrote:

As I have forgotten over time the mystical incantations required to manipulate the Repositories info in (?)YaST to be able to upgrade this current release of 11.4 with KDE 4.6.0 to KDE 4.6.1, would some kind person, using plain, simple English, please, if it is not too much trouble, tell me what I should do to add whatever necessary repos (NO runes and in abbreviated form please!-please) to my installation so as to be able to upgrade to KDE 4.6.1?

If you add and update to these repos you'll get KDE4.6.2: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories#Upstream_release_aka._KR46_.28KDE_SC... I'm using this now, and it has a different array of minor bugs, but a lot of the old ones are fixed. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2011/04/22 16:38 (GMT+1000) Basil Chupin composed:

But before I remembered Mark's suggestion, I went looking for an answer and found that there is a bug in KDE4.6.0 and which, as implied, has been fixed in KDE 4.6.1. Which is quite nice to know....if you only one knew how to upgrade your current KDE 4.6.0 to 4.6.1 (let alone to 4.6.2!) to get rid of just one (presumably) small bug to make vlc work.

As I have forgotten over time the mystical incantations required to manipulate the Repositories info in (?)YaST to be able to upgrade this current release of 11.4 with KDE 4.6.0 to KDE 4.6.1, would some kind person, using plain, simple English, please, if it is not too much trouble, tell me what I should do to add whatever necessary repos (NO runes and in abbreviated form please!-please) to my installation so as to be able to upgrade to KDE 4.6.1?

That particular question is probably better asked in opensuse-kde than getting it lost in here with no KDE in the subject line. I don't think there is any easy way to get to 4.6.1. I went looking through http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/ and it seems the only choices for 11.4 any more are 4.6.0, 4.6.2 or 4.7 devel. http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories seems to confirm this, though rather obtusely. To get to 4.6.1 you'd apparently have to build from source. 4.6.2 is easier than that, though I don't see a way in YaST2's Community repositories to make that easy. Nevertheless, adding _any_ repo is actually pretty easy - if you know how to find the one you want in a web browser or via FTP (as in using MC in runlevel 3). The parent of the arch of any repo you want will have a .repo file in it. Just copy that to /etc/zypp/repos.d/ and either do zypper ref; zypper dup, or open YaST2 sw_single back up, select the 4.6.2 meta package(s), and upgrade. http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Distro:/Factory/openSUSE_11.4... & http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/46/openSUSE_11.4/i58... look like the right places for 4.6.2 for 11.4. How to decide which to pick is a mystery to me, but I'll bet there's a thread in the opensuse-kde mailing list archives that explains. If you can't find it likely posing the question in opensuse-kde will lead to at least one useful reponse. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 22/04/11 19:40, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2011/04/22 16:38 (GMT+1000) Basil Chupin composed:

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But before I remembered Mark's suggestion, I went looking for an answer and found that there is a bug in KDE4.6.0 and which, as implied, has been fixed in KDE 4.6.1. Which is quite nice to know....if you only one knew how to upgrade your current KDE 4.6.0 to 4.6.1 (let alone to 4.6.2!) to get rid of just one (presumably) small bug to make vlc work.

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As I have forgotten over time the mystical incantations required to manipulate the Repositories info in (?)YaST to be able to upgrade this current release of 11.4 with KDE 4.6.0 to KDE 4.6.1, would some kind person, using plain, simple English, please, if it is not too much trouble, tell me what I should do to add whatever necessary repos (NO runes and in abbreviated form please!-please) to my installation so as to be able to upgrade to KDE 4.6.1?

That particular question is probably better asked in opensuse-kde than getting it lost in here with no KDE in the subject line.

You think so?....

I don't think there is any easy way to get to 4.6.1.

Ah, now I am starting to remember.....

I went looking through http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/ and it seems the only choices for 11.4 any more are 4.6.0, 4.6.2 or 4.7 devel. http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories seems to confirm this, though rather obtusely.

To get to 4.6.1 you'd apparently have to build from source. 4.6.2 is easier than that, though I don't see a way in YaST2's Community repositories to make that easy.

.....yes, s-l-o-w-l-y it is coming back......

Nevertheless, adding _any_ repo is actually pretty easy - if you know how to find the one you want in a web browser or via FTP (as in using MC in runlevel 3). The parent of the arch of any repo you want will have a .repo file in it. Just copy that to /etc/zypp/repos.d/ and either do zypper ref; zypper dup, or open YaST2 sw_single back up, select the 4.6.2 meta package(s), and upgrade. http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Distro:/Factory/openSUSE_11.4... & http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/46/openSUSE_11.4/i58... look like the right places for 4.6.2 for 11.4. *How to decide which to pick is a mystery to me*,

Ah, yes! *Now* I remember! To work openSUSE you need, as a minimum, a Master's Degree in *The Advanced Chaos Theory* which then provides some sliver of a chance of working out the conventions used in naming the repositories, what they are really supposed to mean, and what they are meant to contain and provide to the user.....and at which particular point in time...maybe. If *YOU* cannot "decide which to pick" what chance do we, mere mortals, have?! :-)

but I'll bet there's a thread in the opensuse-kde mailing list archives that explains. If you can't find it likely posing the question in opensuse-kde will lead to at least one useful reponse.

And if one does not subscribe to that mail list, has just come across openSUSE, has installed it, has just read that there is KDE 4.6.1 (and above) which is now available, what then does one do? (Someone, who gave me an answer to my original question about vlc, 'categorically', shall we say, stated that I should install the version of vlc directly from packman which will then absolutely work. I did go to packman, I did install the version there -- but it worked just as well as the one I originally installed when I re-installed 11.4, and after I had already selected the packman repository: that is, it was a "dud". BUT, what was most interesting, when I did go (directly) to packman looking for vlc as suggested, and thinking that it may be an updated version which will now work in 11.4, is that there was this very nice thing (button/box) called "One Click Install" of vlc for openSUSE! How very, very, very nice. "One click install"! Just click and vlc gets installed...... Many thanks I guess must go to Pascal Bleser who maintains that app. Wouldn't it be ever so nice if there was such a "One click install" for something like KDE 4.6.1, hmm? Nah....not possible....too logical, and too advanced in time-frame.....) Oh, ouch, I am forgetting my manners :-( : Felix, thank you for your response! BC -- "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I am going to be an uncle or an aunt." Chuck Nevitt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 22/04/11 18:18, Mark Goldstein wrote:

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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A couple of weeks ago (I think) I posted a message stating that vlc will not even start under openSUSE 11.4.

I just re-installed 11.4, as a totally new installation, and did all the necessary updates to all files. Still no vlc. xine works fine but not vlc.

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I don't remember thanking Mark for his suggestion which I now do: Thank you Mark for the 'fix', greatly appreciated. You are welcome, though to be honest I've just found it on the net, so

... passing thanks to google :-)

Whatever, you did provide the answer which is what counts :-) .

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But before I remembered Mark's suggestion, I went looking for an answer and found that there is a bug in KDE4.6.0 and which, as implied, has been fixed in KDE 4.6.1. Which is quite nice to know....if you only one knew how to upgrade your current KDE 4.6.0 to 4.6.1 (let alone to 4.6.2!) to get rid of just one (presumably) small bug to make vlc work.

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Will Stephenson referred us to the bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648718 and advised to update nvidia driver. I've laready had the latest stable version 260.19.44 when I saw vlc crash. One of the latest comments on this bug says it disappeared after upgrading to beta version 270.41.03. I'll probably wait a bit until 270 will become stable.

Also, I've KDE3 installed on that 11.4 in parallel to KDE4 and I see the same vlc crash with FPE on it (well, I still have KDM from KDE4 as display manager).

Regards,

I strongly suspect that some people blame faults on other software when they have stuffed-up their own "piece of the pie". People who "do" pulaseaudio blame some "bug" in ALSA when pulseaudio f******p audio. All one needs to do is to get rid of pulseaudio, run alsamixer(gui) to get sound working, and then re-install pulseaudio, if you must, and the audio works OK from then on. (Except, BTW, with openSUSE 11.4 KDE where you will NOT get alsamixer(gui) to even start unless you have pulseaudio installed! (If you don't have pulseaudio installed, you get "the 2-fingered salute", an error message, stating that alsamixer(gui) cannot find some file....) What does this suggest? That local fiddles by devs for a 'local' distro should be subject to scrutiny.) vlc. I have never had trouble with vlc - under whichever nVidia driver or Linux distro -- until this version of openSUSE 11.4 with KDE (4.6.0). (I haven't even heard of nVidia beta "270.41.03", until now!) Conclude for yourself. On other distros, with either KDE or Gnome installed, I am/was using nVidia #260 with vlc without a single hassle. Install openSUSE 11.4 with KDE - and the wheels fall off..... But what do I know.....? :-( . BC -- "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I am going to be an uncle or an aunt." Chuck Nevitt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 22/04/11 23:07, A. den Oudsten wrote:

Op 22-04-11 11:40, Felix Miata schreef:

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On 2011/04/22 16:38 (GMT+1000) Basil Chupin composed:

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But before I remembered Mark's suggestion, I went looking for an answer and found that there is a bug in KDE4.6.0 and which, as implied, has been fixed in KDE 4.6.1. Which is quite nice to know....if you only one knew how to upgrade your current KDE 4.6.0 to 4.6.1 (let alone to 4.6.2!) to get rid of just one (presumably) small bug to make vlc work.

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As I have forgotten over time the mystical incantations required to manipulate the Repositories info in (?)YaST to be able to upgrade this current release of 11.4 with KDE 4.6.0 to KDE 4.6.1, would some kind person, using plain, simple English, please, if it is not too much trouble, tell me what I should do to add whatever necessary repos (NO runes and in abbreviated form please!-please) to my installation so as to be able to upgrade to KDE 4.6.1?

That particular question is probably better asked in opensuse-kde than getting it lost in here with no KDE in the subject line.

I don't think there is any easy way to get to 4.6.1. I went looking through http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/ and it seems the only choices for 11.4 any more are 4.6.0, 4.6.2 or 4.7 devel. http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories seems to confirm this, though rather obtusely.

To get to 4.6.1 you'd apparently have to build from source. 4.6.2 is easier than that, though I don't see a way in YaST2's Community repositories to make that easy.

Nevertheless, adding _any_ repo is actually pretty easy - if you know how to find the one you want in a web browser or via FTP (as in using MC in runlevel 3). The parent of the arch of any repo you want will have a .repo file in it. Just copy that to /etc/zypp/repos.d/ and either do zypper ref; zypper dup, or open YaST2 sw_single back up, select the 4.6.2 meta package(s), and upgrade. http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Distro:/Factory/openSUSE_11.4... & http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/46/openSUSE_11.4/i58... look like the right places for 4.6.2 for 11.4. How to decide which to pick is a mystery to me, but I'll bet there's a thread in the opensuse-kde mailing list archives that explains. If you can't find it likely posing the question in opensuse-kde will lead to at least one useful reponse. I added http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/11.4/ to Yast software sources. André den Oudsten

I am not sure what your are trying to state here, Andre: that you were able to add packman to the repositories (which is quite easy as this repository is selectable from the list of Community-based repositories), or whether you solved the problem with vlc by selecting the packman repository? BC -- "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I am going to be an uncle or an aunt." Chuck Nevitt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 4/23/2011 7:13 PM, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

To work openSUSE you need, as a minimum, a Master's Degree in *The Advanced

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Chaos Theory* which then provides some sliver of a chance of working out the conventions used in naming the repositories, what they are really supposed to mean, and what they are meant to contain and provide to the user.....and at which particular point in time...maybe.

You are free to use a less complicated distro. Ubuntu perhaps?

I never had a problem trying to figure out what repo was for what. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 23/04/11 17:43, C wrote:

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 09:02, Basil Chupin wrote:

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If you add and update to these repos you'll get KDE4.6.2:

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories#Upstream_release_aka._KR46_.28KDE_SC...

I'm using this now, and it has a different array of minor bugs, but a lot of the old ones are fixed.

C. Many thanks, C, for this. I shall attempt this act of bravery - and "jump off the cliff top" :-) - tomorrow. Haha... it's not a long fall. There are spikes at the bottom though :-)

Thank you, C, for your helpful advice. I was forced, nevertheless, to attend all lectures in the first semester in "The Basic Chaos Theory" to understand your instructions about the repos to use, but being more than "just a pretty face" I was able to solve this without too many problems :-D .

Overall, KDE4.6.2 works better than 4.6.0. I don't have any problems using VLC in KDE4.6.2.

Well, now....I am glad, and I admit also stunned, to hear this. I had nothing BUT hassles in getting vlc to work! xine, as usual, continued to work perfectly [1]. vlc just wouldn't work - period. It was worse than the original installation on 11.4: at least with 11.4/KDE4.6.0 where the suggested fix of running vlc was with the "prefix" of 'strace' in the command line for vlc. To get vlc to "work" after the upgrade to KDE 4.6.2 required the complete re-installation of vlc from the packman repo itself using Pascal's "One click install". BUT, repeat BUT, then I had to reconfigure the sound because the audio was (I don't really go for vulgarities, you know...) just a tadd totally "RS". To get the sound working correctly I had to (again :'( ) uninstall pulseaudio :'( . Once pulseaudio was uninstalled, the audio was normal, with no stuttering, no hiccups, no jerks. (Isn't there anyone who can get rid of this abomination called pulseaudio once and for all?! :-( .)

I've bumbled into a few minor bugs/issues. Some are my own fault, some are known bugs, some are not related to the version of KDE4 (ie they are general 11.4 bugs), etc. Nothing so far is what I'd consider a showstopper.

As I have only just now managed to run 4.6.2 I have yet to discover the marvellous bugs in it so be patient with me :-) . Thanks again for your help - greatly appreciated and gratefully acknowledged. BC PS

Oh, and make sure if you're using a nVidia card plus binary driver, that you've got the latest version of the driver installed. There have been issues with some of the recent drivers. I'm using the latest from here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122606 on a 64 Bit install and not having any issues.

Ah, and thanks for this "heads up". I installed the driver before I started anything - and just doing the installation of the driver was an experience in itself! :-( . Fortunately I remembered a few things from years ago and finally got the latest driver installed. (I really pity the poor buggers who come in into oS from scratch and without any background knowledge :-( ). -- "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I am going to be an uncle or an aunt." Chuck Nevitt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 26/04/11 21:27, C wrote:

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:58, Basil Chupin wrote:

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finally got the latest driver installed. (I really pity the poor buggers who come in into oS from scratch and without any background knowledge :-( ). openSUSE is 1000x easier to install than Windows 7 in my experience. I've installed Win7 Ultimate (for testing) on two computers... an Asus EEE 1005HA netbook, and a Zotac ZBox mini PC. In both cases, NOTHING worked properly. The install itself was not much different than openSUSE.. start the install and click a few times. After it was up and "running" things fell apart. In openSUSE, after install, everything works (WiFi, Fn keys etc)... in Windows 7, I have to hunt down drivers all over the place for every bit of hardware in the computer... I had to update the BIOS on the Asus to be able to just INSTALL the Fn key driver. Without the BIOS upgrade (which was a nightmare in itself), the install popped up error after error. On the Zotac, I still cannot get the network card working in Windows 7 after weeks of tinkering (it won't transfer data faster than 550kbps)... among other significant driver and performance issues,

So, yes it requires some tinkering to get openSUSE working, but from my experience, it's a LOT easier, and more logical/straight forward than the competition.

C, I understand this, and know this, and, as they say in the moving-pictures (and which, nowadays, actually have sound! - how things have changed over the years! :-( ), "Been there, done that!" (Before installing oS I installed XP first just in case I needed to use some part of it; but I only installed the very basic part 'cause I just couldn't face all the crappola of looking for drivers and drivers and drivers and drivers...... :'( .) But this argument is now becoming more than just a little thin in this year of 2011 AD when Linux distros have been around for at least (tongue-in-cheek) 10 years.

With openSUSE we've got the Wiki, the forum, and the mailing lists...

"Datsa nisa, butt howwa eet gonna feeda my bambinos, eh? Kapeesh?".....

what do you have if you're using Windows and things go wrong? There are no centralized sources of help like we have here.

I have my neighbour's 12-year old son to help me out....... Aaaaah, of *course*! There is always google-doogle! Provided you are prepared to read 50 million entries which may just fit one of the words in your "search for this word" request :-) . I honestly think that the time has now long gone when Linux users can keep using the fall-back argument of, "But look at how much trouble XXXXXX gives you not only with installation but with viruses et al." The age of the Linux geeks and propeller-heads and Linux users' ancient catch-cries have gone well past their use-by dates. BC -- "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I am going to be an uncle or an aunt." Chuck Nevitt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday, April 22, 2011 01:38:19 AM Basil Chupin wrote:

A couple of weeks ago (I think) I posted a message stating that vlc will not even start under openSUSE 11.4.

KDE 4.6.1 VLC 1.1.9 Nvidia GeForce 210. Works fine. Guys did fine job since first time I used VLC. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday, May 04, 2011 02:47:41 AM Basil Chupin wrote: ...

Hey! After a week and half-later you post a response! :-D .

Great thanks for the reply, as you know :-) .

Well, I'm a bit behind with email flow, but I'm catching up :)

I've got vlc working but only *AFTER* installing it *directly* from Packman and Pascal's "*one click install*". What came from the oS repos was useless.

I'm using vlc repo, as well as Packman. Where did you find VLC in openSUSE repos? I just checked and the only that offers player is Packman. (I don't have videolan repo.)

(As well as the above, interestingly, unless one uses the Tools>Preferences option, any changes to parameters will not 'stick' and will only work until one changes, for example, a TV channel; that is, if set anywhere else, like Video (Settings>Deinterlace) they "donna sticka"

:-) .)

Well, I did not customize much, it simply works for anything that I throw on it. Also, I don't use TV card, so I don't have much reasons to deinterlace anything.

[BTW, I am using KDE4.6.2 and my comments above relate to 4.6.2 with 11.4, 32-bit system.)

BC

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On 05/05/11 10:00, Rajko M. wrote:

On Wednesday, May 04, 2011 02:47:41 AM Basil Chupin wrote: ...

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Hey! After a week and half-later you post a response! :-D .

Great thanks for the reply, as you know :-) . Well, I'm a bit behind with email flow, but I'm catching up :)

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I've got vlc working but only *AFTER* installing it *directly* from Packman and Pascal's "*one click install*". What came from the oS repos was useless. I'm using vlc repo, as well as Packman. Where did you find VLC in openSUSE repos? I just checked and the only that offers player is Packman. (I don't have videolan repo.)

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(As well as the above, interestingly, unless one uses the Tools>Preferences option, any changes to parameters will not 'stick' and will only work until one changes, for example, a TV channel; that is, if set anywhere else, like Video (Settings>Deinterlace) they "donna sticka"

:-) .) Well, I did not customize much, it simply works for anything that I throw on it. Also, I don't use TV card, so I don't have much reasons to deinterlace anything.

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[BTW, I am using KDE4.6.2 and my comments above relate to 4.6.2 with 11.4, 32-bit system.)

BC

Sorry to have taken so long to respond but I just caught sight of your message. It would appear that the way to really get vlc working in openSUSE is to install it directly from videolan.org using either using the "1-click install" or (as I had to do) use the command line zypper instructions. I have to qualify this statement of mine, without trying to start a verbal war, that I had to use videolan.org when I installed vlc for the Gnome version of oS 11.4. The copy from packman for KDE worked OK. It is rather sad that there is no co-ordination between what is necessary to have apps such as vlc for KDE and for Gnome installed correctly :-( . As well as this, I had to "get rid" of pulseaudio to get sound working properly for vlc in Gnome where, before I did so, I was getting stuttering in the sound. Got rid of pulseaudio and the sound was perfect. Pulseaudio is a PITA, an obnoxious cockroach which should be stomped on by an elephant wearing heavy industrial boots. BC -- "The time has been That, when the brains were out, the man would die," "Macbeth", Shakespeare -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org