[opensuse] Classic music
Hi I've failed before but I want to try again after having purchased a copy of Verdi's complete works. The task is to rip all my classic cd's, organize them and make it easy to play. Now, AIUI most audio players know about songs, or tracks, and albums, or cd's. Classic music needs a little bit more control. A piece of work can span several cd's (as most operas do), or two complete opposites can share a cd (I have one with Beethoven's Pastorale symphony and Tjajkovskij's Pathétique. What I want is a way to just find a piece of work, e.g. a recording of Don Giovanni, 3 cd's and play it, or just listen to the cavatina from the same opera, having the choice from all the recordings I have. So I wanted to try Amarok. I tried to rip a cd containing Carl Nielsen's 3rd and 4th symphonies (Espansiva and Inextinguishable) but immediately ran into trouble. The composer wasn't recognized, and I want to classify the genre as well. Best as two levels (classic/symphony), but there seemed to be no way to tell Amarok that. Sure, there is an option to edit information about the tracks, but all fields (Genre, Composer, etc) were disabled. Not sure that is the way to do it either. Any best practice advise for that, or for any other player? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday, November 08, 2013 08:05:06 AM Kaare Rasmussen wrote: I tend to use ripit to get the tracks off the CD. This tags them as well. If there are multiple tag sources found then it offers you the option of which to use. In the case where one CD contains more than one piece off work, you may need to edit the album tags to differentiate. I would imagine something similar would be needed for works that span multiple CDs. In any case, I use easytag to make the required changes in the MP3s. The amount of editing depends on how the person that put the tags in the database ripit used arranged things. Maybe their tags split works into different album names. Maybe they don't. There is no standard for people to follow. So I think local edits are going to happen. One unfortunate issue is that there is really no standard for MP3 tags. Each player expects tags with certain names. A few obvious ones seem to work in all players. But less common tags are usually player-specific. I discovered this when trying to get files tagged in iTunes to work the same way in Amarok. -- Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/11/13 18:05, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Hi
I've failed before but I want to try again after having purchased a copy of Verdi's complete works.
The task is to rip all my classic cd's, organize them and make it easy to play.
Now, AIUI most audio players know about songs, or tracks, and albums, or cd's. Classic music needs a little bit more control. A piece of work can span several cd's (as most operas do), or two complete opposites can share a cd (I have one with Beethoven's Pastorale symphony and Tjajkovskij's Path�tique.
What I want is a way to just find a piece of work, e.g. a recording of Don Giovanni, 3 cd's and play it, or just listen to the cavatina from the same opera, having the choice from all the recordings I have.
So I wanted to try Amarok.
I tried to rip a cd containing Carl Nielsen's 3rd and 4th symphonies (Espansiva and Inextinguishable) but immediately ran into trouble. The composer wasn't recognized, and I want to classify the genre as well. Best as two levels (classic/symphony), but there seemed to be no way to tell Amarok that. Sure, there is an option to edit information about the tracks, but all fields (Genre, Composer, etc) were disabled.
Not sure that is the way to do it either. Any best practice advise for that, or for any other player?
I think what you need is Audacity. With Audacity you can append a music file to another one. You can then edit them as a single file and to equalise the volume. But maybe you already know about Audacity and it isn't what you want - don't know. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/11/13 07:05, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Hi
I've failed before but I want to try again after having purchased a copy of Verdi's complete works.
The task is to rip all my classic cd's, organize them and make it easy to play.
Now, AIUI most audio players know about songs, or tracks, and albums, or cd's. Classic music needs a little bit more control. A piece of work can span several cd's (as most operas do), or two complete opposites can share a cd
So completely ignore the artificial CD divisions... I had a long discussion about this with a friend who had a similar problem - the result was to 're-interpret' the tags... He uses "Artist" as "Orchestra", and "Album" as "Name of Piece", with "CD number" representing the act for operas, and track number for movement/aria etc... But I expect you'll want to come up with your own method. Basiclly: don't feel straight-jacketed into the tag names - use them how you wish (so long as you are consistent and logical...) (I have one with Beethoven's Pastorale symphony and
Tjajkovskij's Pathétique.
What I want is a way to just find a piece of work, e.g. a recording of Don Giovanni, 3 cd's and play it, or just listen to the cavatina from the same opera, having the choice from all the recordings I have.
So I wanted to try Amarok.
I tried to rip a cd containing Carl Nielsen's 3rd and 4th symphonies (Espansiva and Inextinguishable) but immediately ran into trouble. The composer wasn't recognized, and I want to classify the genre as well. Best as two levels (classic/symphony), but there seemed to be no way to tell Amarok that. Sure, there is an option to edit information about the tracks, but all fields (Genre, Composer, etc) were disabled.
Not sure that is the way to do it either. Any best practice advise for that, or for any other player?
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Hallo Kaare Rasmussen, op 08-11-13 08:05 schreef je: [Sorry for PM'ing first!]
Hi
I've failed before but I want to try again after having purchased a copy of Verdi's complete works.
The task is to rip all my classic cd's, organize them and make it easy to play.
Now, AIUI most audio players know about songs, or tracks, and albums, or cd's. Classic music needs a little bit more control. A piece of work can span several cd's (as most operas do), or two complete opposites can share a cd (I have one with Beethoven's Pastorale symphony and Tjajkovskij's Pathétique.
What I want is a way to just find a piece of work, e.g. a recording of Don Giovanni, 3 cd's and play it, or just listen to the cavatina from the same opera, having the choice from all the recordings I have.
So I wanted to try Amarok.
I tried to rip a cd containing Carl Nielsen's 3rd and 4th symphonies (Espansiva and Inextinguishable) but immediately ran into trouble. The composer wasn't recognized, and I want to classify the genre as well. Best as two levels (classic/symphony), but there seemed to be no way to tell Amarok that. Sure, there is an option to edit information about the tracks, but all fields (Genre, Composer, etc) were disabled.
Not sure that is the way to do it either. Any best practice advise for that, or for any other player?
Like Roger Oberholtzer wrote: you could rip it with "ripit". (My favorite command for lossless FLACs: "ripit -nice 19 -nicerip 19 -c 2 -q 8 -u -W -p 0", but you can have Ogg Vorbis, mp3 VO, mp3 V2 or mp3 CBR as well). After ripping, and adding the files to the local collection of Amarok, you can edit whatever you want. And maybe you can import the tags with: "get tags from MusicBrainz" in the editing dialogue. Harrie -- Harrie Baken | Tekstbureau TekstBaken Copy-editing - proofreading - seo http://www.tekstbaken.nl/ Registered Linux user #366560 | openSUSE 12.3 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Thanks for the replies, Roger, Basil, and Dylan. I'll look into ripit, easytag, and audacity. And look into better tagging. Roger:
One unfortunate issue is that there is really no standard for MP3 tags.
Is it better for the other encodings? I thought ogg-vorbis was the thing to use? Of course, mp3 can be played by more devices, though.
But maybe you already know about Audacity and it isn't what you want - don't know.
The little I have looked into this before is long since forgotten. I know the name. Thats all.
Basiclly: don't feel straight-jacketed into the tag names - use them how you wish (so long as you are consistent and logical...)
Well, my problem is that Amarok doesn't let me edit any field. Granted, I may not have tried hard enough. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday, November 08, 2013 09:45:43 AM Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Thanks for the replies, Roger, Basil, and Dylan. I'll look into ripit, easytag, and audacity. And look into better tagging.
Roger:
One unfortunate issue is that there is really no standard for MP3 tags.
Is it better for the other encodings? I thought ogg-vorbis was the thing to use? Of course, mp3 can be played by more devices, though.
ripit supports more than MP3. It also does Ogg Vorbis: -c, --coder number Encoder(s) to use, 0 - Lame (for mp3), 1 - Oggenc, 2 - Flac, 3 - Faac, 4 - mp4als, 5 - Musepack, 6 - Wavpack, 7 - ffmpeg The riping is not really where the real organization of music happens. Unless the tags in the CDDB happen to match your wishes. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. I would suggest easytag for personalizing the tags. I think this is where you can set things up the way you want. Just be sure to figure out which tags your music player uses for various things. For example, iTUNES has a tag that says not to insert a brief gap between track. This is useful when the tracks should be played directly after each other as though they were one track. I do not know what tag Amarok may use for this. If it even has this capability... -- Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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