Any Bellsouth dsl users in the house ?
**** imagine; all of everything that is or was, can be reduced to an equation less than one inch long ! *** Okay , getting completely and thoroughly discusted w/ verio , we have gone so far as to contact bellSouth .. who , of course , tell us, they "do not support linux" and wont even send us the modem unless we have windows something on the box.. <heavy sigh> I still have a windows partition I can fudge a bit for purposes of this experiment <g> tho husband is seriously worried that w/o support we wont be able to use it .. I can't imagine why, if anyone did support an OS I was currently using , I'd have to see what was further out on the bleeding edge<g> Anyway, any users of Bell South in particular , or DSL generally care to share ? headaches , heartbreaks , willingness to suggest answers to tech support type questions .. ??? Especially if you might be willing to take this off list for private discussions, and electronic handholding and "there , there , type soothing noises for Gil ( that's the spouse <g>) TIA y'all Blonde -- j afterthought : DOS tip #17: add DEVICE=FNGRCROS.SYS to CONFIG.SYS.
Not BellSouth users but i will give go. If get external modem you will have no problems because their OS independent. Linux support some USB DSL modems but not all. PCI ADSL modems support is about at the same level as USB modems support. If they PPPOE you will need roaring penguin client. That about it. Sorry if missed something. Alex lmbeta8@yahoo.com suse@linuxnews.dyndns.org http://linuxnews.dyndns.org jfweber@eternal.net wrote:
**** imagine; all of everything that is or was, can be reduced to an equation less than one inch long ! ***
Okay , getting completely and thoroughly discusted w/ verio , we have gone so far as to contact bellSouth .. who , of course , tell us, they "do not support linux" and wont even send us the modem unless we have windows something on the box.. <heavy sigh> I still have a windows partition I can fudge a bit for purposes of this experiment <g> tho husband is seriously worried that w/o support we wont be able to use it .. I can't imagine why, if anyone did support an OS I was currently using , I'd have to see what was further out on the bleeding edge<g>
Anyway, any users of Bell South in particular , or DSL generally care to share ? headaches , heartbreaks , willingness to suggest answers to tech support type questions .. ??? Especially if you might be willing to take this off list for private discussions, and electronic handholding and "there , there , type soothing noises for Gil ( that's the spouse <g>)
TIA y'all Blonde
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* jfweber@eternal.net (jfweber@eternal.net) [011020 10:35]: ->**** imagine; all of everything that is or was, can be reduced to an equation less than one inch long ! *** -> ->Okay , getting completely and thoroughly discusted w/ verio , we have ->gone so far as to contact bellSouth .. who , of course , tell us, they ->"do not support linux" and wont even send us the modem unless we have ->windows something on the box.. <heavy sigh> I still have a windows ->partition I can fudge a bit for purposes of this experiment <g> tho ->husband is seriously worried that w/o support we wont be able to use it ->.. I can't imagine why, if anyone did support an OS I was currently ->using , I'd have to see what was further out on the bleeding edge<g> -> ->Anyway, any users of Bell South in particular , or DSL generally care ->to share ? headaches , heartbreaks , willingness to suggest answers to ->tech support type questions .. ??? Especially if you might be willing ->to take this off list for private discussions, and electronic ->handholding and "there , there , type soothing noises for Gil ( that's ->the spouse <g>) Yes, I've heard about Bellsouth working with Linux just fine and their refusal to help Linux users. You will need Roaring Penguins PPPOE as the other person posted..but it does work. I have a friend in Huntsville that uses it quite successfully. He uses both his W2K machine and his Linux box with little issues. / start rant Question of the day: When are we as Linux users going to start suing these companies for discrimination. It's about time we stopped having to have seperate drinking fountains, riding in the back of the bus and having to enter through the service area...or at least what feels like this type of treatment. We don't spread virus's or any of the other frelling things that these supported Wintendo boxes do..yet we are treated like 2nd class citizens. Hell, on CNET's T.V. show they had numbers that told that Linux has more desktop users now they Mac's do. It's a bunch of crap.. / end rant -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
Ben Rosenberg <ben@whack.org> wrote:
/ start rant
Question of the day: When are we as Linux users going to start suing these companies for discrimination. It's about time we stopped having to have seperate drinking fountains, riding in the back of the bus and having to enter through the service area...or at least what feels like this type of treatment. We don't spread virus's or any of the other frelling things that these supported Wintendo boxes do..yet we are treated like 2nd class citizens. Hell, on CNET's T.V. show they had numbers that told that Linux has more desktop users now they Mac's do. It's a bunch of crap..
/ end rant
Simply put, digging a little reveals that MS is involved, and the decision makers for ILEC don't use Linux. So it adds up to the practice. I am on a DSL connection also that only officially supports MS. Roaring Penguin is great for PPPoE (IE. connecting through a Redback). /Dee
Ben Rosenberg <ben@whack.org> wrote:
I use swbell dsl at work, was on pppoe but then when i switched to enhanced dsl to get static ips to run a server i do not have to use pppoe anymore. Nice if I do say so. Right now im using the linksys cable/dsl router to share it to my 24 computer on the Lan. Plan in near future to setup suse box as the router/gateway/firewall machine,to get a more configurible firewall. the linksys router has a limited configurible firewall but not
At 10:30 AM 10/20/2001 -0800, Dee McKinney wrote: that robust. I was thinking that when i went with static ip's i would have to get roaring penquin going was a nice supprise when the tech guy told me the pppoe stuff was not needed anymore :) jack Jack Malone jack@malone.tyler.com http://www.ballistic.com/~jemalone Luke 4:18-19 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." (NIV)
On October 20, 2001 02:30 pm, Dee McKinney wrote:
Simply put, digging a little reveals that MS is involved, and the decision makers for ILEC don't use Linux. So it adds up to the practice. I am on a DSL connection also that only officially supports MS. Roaring Penguin is great for PPPoE (IE. connecting through a Redback).
It depends on what they mean. The ISP I use doesn't support Linux but what that means is if you call tech support the person at the other end can't help. Well some might be able to but don't count on it. Now considering some of the comments from the windows users I'm not sure that's a problem. OTOH I think they have a few web pages describing the process of setting up under Linux. So they won't hold your hand but they really don't care what you use. I think the problem is the pppoe client. They buy a client for windows. Your ISP might not want to spend the money to get the Linux version. Nick
I think the problem is the pppoe client. They buy a client for windows. Your ISP might not want to spend the money to get the Linux version.
their isnt really a pppoe client, all it is is a dial-up networking client and the linux one is free anyway. Chad Whitten Network/Systems Administrator neXband Communications chadwick@nexband.com
Check out here: http://personal.sdf.bellsouth.net/sdf/h/b/hburgiss/dsl/survival/ See the Linux section in particular but the whole site is worth some time spent reading through the info. I am scheduled to get it next week. I was originally perturbed that I could not get the "FREE" setup without having a Windows USB capable platform (OS/2, SuSE and at that time WinNT). I could not see paying $199US to have someone setup something I could indeed do for myself. I am a computer professional, after all. <vbg> So I said, "what the frell" and signed up anyway. I will deal with it when I get the setup package. I am used to the "we don't support blahblahblah" so this is to be expected. We don't have to like it; that is just the way the world works. Bottom line is it just is too expensive for most of these SPs to support Linux, OS/2 and even MACs. Now I just need to get re-employed to pay for the damn thing. You can also check out the BellSouth newsgroups, but they are a very whiny bunch. I don't suffer NGs very well I guess! ThankYouKindly! -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Willard E. [Bill] Fullam III wfullam@bellsouth.net http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/~wfullam ----------------------------------------------------------- In <E15v00x-0007YL-00@dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net>, on 10/20/01 at 01:42 PM, jfweber@eternal.net said:
[**** imagine; all of everything that is or was, can be reduced to an [equation less than one inch long ! ***
[Okay , getting completely and thoroughly discusted w/ verio , we have [gone so far as to contact bellSouth .. who , of course , tell us, they ["do not support linux" and wont even send us the modem unless we have [windows something on the box.. <heavy sigh> I still have a windows [partition I can fudge a bit for purposes of this experiment <g> tho [husband is seriously worried that w/o support we wont be able to use it [.. I can't imagine why, if anyone did support an OS I was currently [using , I'd have to see what was further out on the bleeding edge<g>
[Anyway, any users of Bell South in particular , or DSL generally care [to share ? headaches , heartbreaks , willingness to suggest answers to [tech support type questions .. ??? Especially if you might be willing [to take this off list for private discussions, and electronic [handholding and "there , there , type soothing noises for Gil ( that's [the spouse <g>)
[TIA y'all [Blonde
wfullam@bellsouth.net writes:
Check out here:
http://personal.sdf.bellsouth.net/sdf/h/b/hburgiss/dsl/survival/
See the Linux section in particular but the whole site is worth some time spent reading through the info.
I am scheduled to get it next week. I was originally perturbed that I could not get the "FREE" setup without having a Windows USB capable platform (OS/2, SuSE and at that time WinNT). I could not see paying $199US to have someone setup something I could indeed do for myself. I am a computer professional, after all. <vbg> So I said, "what the frell" and signed up anyway. I will deal with it when I get the setup package.
I went through this as well. I know many people at my job that did not do this, and ended with a PCI card that will not work at all with linux. I had DSL when it first came out with Bellsouth, and all they issued were the 10BaseT DSL modems. When I moved there were a lot more choices, but I knew which model I needed so I paid the $199 to get what I wanted. No problems at all with linux.
I am used to the "we don't support blahblahblah" so this is to be expected. We don't have to like it; that is just the way the world works. Bottom line is it just is too expensive for most of these SPs to support Linux, OS/2 and even MACs. Now I just need to get re-employed to pay for the damn thing.
You can also check out the BellSouth newsgroups, but they are a very whiny bunch. I don't suffer NGs very well I guess!
ThankYouKindly! -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Willard E. [Bill] Fullam III wfullam@bellsouth.net http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/~wfullam -----------------------------------------------------------
In <E15v00x-0007YL-00@dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net>, on 10/20/01 at 01:42 PM, jfweber@eternal.net said:
[**** imagine; all of everything that is or was, can be reduced to an [equation less than one inch long ! ***
[Okay , getting completely and thoroughly discusted w/ verio , we have [gone so far as to contact bellSouth .. who , of course , tell us, they ["do not support linux" and wont even send us the modem unless we have [windows something on the box.. <heavy sigh> I still have a windows [partition I can fudge a bit for purposes of this experiment <g> tho [husband is seriously worried that w/o support we wont be able to use it [.. I can't imagine why, if anyone did support an OS I was currently [using , I'd have to see what was further out on the bleeding edge<g>
[Anyway, any users of Bell South in particular , or DSL generally care [to share ? headaches , heartbreaks , willingness to suggest answers to [tech support type questions .. ??? Especially if you might be willing [to take this off list for private discussions, and electronic [handholding and "there , there , type soothing noises for Gil ( that's [the spouse <g>)
[TIA y'all [Blonde
I have been using bellsouth adsl for almost 2 1/2 years now with linux. when i got it, i heard the standard "We only support windows 95,98,NT" so I put an extra nic in my win98 machine, ordered the service, got an alcatel speed touch home external modem, had the tech hook it up to the win98 box, he read the mac address off the nic, called the bellsouth.net isp tech, gave him the mac address, he put the mac in their dhcp server and that was it. as soon as the tech left, i pulled the nic out of the win98 box, put it in a box running suse 6.1 and was immediately connected. installed a second nic, setup a firewall, etc, and have been chugging along ever since. they dont do mac address authentication anymore, but rather force the pppoe connection on you, which is fine for surfing, etc, but sucks if you want to run a server from your house. the simplest way to go though is to just get one of the linksys dsl/cable routers. they do pppoe,port forwarding, ip masquerading, packet filtering, logging, etc and you can even spoof the mac address on one, plus they are small and you dont have to have an extra pc sitting around just do some packet filtering. i have nothing to say but good things about the techincal part of bellsouth adsl - it has been fast (160K/sec downloads are norm) , consistent, reliable (less than 2 days downtime in 2 1/2 years), easy to configure, works with anything, etc. as for the billing part - well that took about 10 months get get straightened out - calling bellsouth each month and bitching and moaning. oh, bell tries to get you with a usb modem nowadays - stay away from that or the internal pci modem. get the external alcatel speed touch home modem. you can tell the bellsouth.net rep you order the service from you have a laptop with windows 95 that has no usb ports and their only option is to ship you the external modem (but it will cost you $150, where the usb one is free) or you can just try to get on off of ebay. On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 jfweber@eternal.net wrote:
**** imagine; all of everything that is or was, can be reduced to an equation less than one inch long ! ***
Okay , getting completely and thoroughly discusted w/ verio , we have gone so far as to contact bellSouth .. who , of course , tell us, they "do not support linux" and wont even send us the modem unless we have windows something on the box.. <heavy sigh> I still have a windows partition I can fudge a bit for purposes of this experiment <g> tho husband is seriously worried that w/o support we wont be able to use it .. I can't imagine why, if anyone did support an OS I was currently using , I'd have to see what was further out on the bleeding edge<g>
Anyway, any users of Bell South in particular , or DSL generally care to share ? headaches , heartbreaks , willingness to suggest answers to tech support type questions .. ??? Especially if you might be willing to take this off list for private discussions, and electronic handholding and "there , there , type soothing noises for Gil ( that's the spouse <g>)
TIA y'all Blonde
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I know this is a really old thread but I was reading some old messages and am wondering how things have changed since then. dog@intop.net wrote:
I have been using bellsouth adsl for almost 2 1/2 years now with linux.
I lost track but I think it is more than 3 years now for me.
when i got it, i heard the standard "We only support windows 95,98,NT" so
I still get this but don't really care. I just tell them I have Windows 98 and they are happy (dual boot).
I put an extra nic in my win98 machine, ordered the service, got an
That was how I did it too
alcatel speed touch home external modem, had the tech hook it up to the
Is this what they are still offering? I had heard that you can only get the internal ones now. Does anyone know if this is true? I have one of the earlier Alcatel 1000 modems and it is still working but one problem I have is that my line quality is not very good (I get lots of crackling in phone calls) and my model is too frequently dropping off line. Does anyone have any comments to offer on this subject? Are newer modems more able to keep a connection under adverse conditions?
along ever since. they dont do mac address authentication anymore, but
They still do with me
rather force the pppoe connection on you, which is fine for surfing, etc,
I suppose that if I ever get a new modem, I will get this?
to go though is to just get one of the linksys dsl/cable routers. they do pppoe,port forwarding, ip masquerading, packet filtering, logging, etc and
Does anyone know if this kind of connection will drop out after some time of inactivity like the dialup connections can do? If I had the pppoe, would I have to do something to hold the connection?
dont have to have an extra pc sitting around just do some packet
I suppose that it would use less electricity too
filtering. i have nothing to say but good things about the techincal part of bellsouth adsl - it has been fast (160K/sec downloads are norm) ,
when it works :-(
consistent, reliable (less than 2 days downtime in 2 1/2 years), easy to
You are very fortunate. Mine is down almost every day at some time.
have a laptop with windows 95 that has no usb ports and their only option
I'll have to remember that one if I ever have to get a new modem Damon Register
On Sun June 16 2002 5:32 pm, Damon Register wrote:
Is this what they are still offering? I had heard that you can only get the internal ones now. Does anyone know if this is true?
<snip> When ordering, tell them you need an external for your laptop, so it has to be external. That is what my sister did, and got the Alcatel external. Harry G
On Sunday June 16 2002 4:32 PM, Damon Register wrote:
I lost track but I think it is more than 3 years now for me.
I can't recall when I started.
I put an extra nic in my win98 machine, ordered the service, got an
That was how I did it too
Well, at the time I started I wasn't using Linux at all. I have since transitioned completely over to linux. I still have the internal 3Com DSL modem, which is worthless in Linux. BTW: Does anyone know if drivers were ever developed for that thing?
alcatel speed touch home external modem, had the tech hook it up to the
Is this what they are still offering? I had heard that you can only get the internal ones now. Does anyone know if this is true? I have one of the earlier Alcatel 1000 modems and it is still working but one problem I have is that my line quality is not very good (I get lots of crackling in phone calls) and my model is too frequently dropping off line. Does anyone have any comments to offer on this subject? Are newer modems more able to keep a connection under adverse conditions?
I am using a Cayman DSL modem/Router. IT was an interesting acquisition that made using Linux at home possible. Anyway for a while now I get drops when it rains, other than that I am up 24/7. I hope when I call support they don't ask about OS. :-). They'll blame the rain for messing with Linux and causing the outages. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16!
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