[opensuse] WARNING: If you are using xine for your (digital) TV....
....then (regularly) make a backup of the file ~/.xine so that should some upgrade/update to your installation of oS 11.0/11.1 stops xine from working then use the backup of /.xine to restore xine to a working program. Don't ask me what the reason for the cockup is. All I can say is that some upgrades to 11.0 were put through earlier and (immediately) afterwards I could not use xine to view digital TV - and I was watching TV all day until I turned it off to do the upgrades. Replacing .xine with a backup (a lucky copy for use on another system!) made it all work again. Ciao. -- "With the portion of mankind that is above average one may speak of higher things; with those below it, one may not." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Basil Chupin wrote:
....then (regularly) make a backup of the file ~/.xine so that should some upgrade/update to your installation of oS 11.0/11.1 stops xine from working then use the backup of /.xine to restore xine to a working program.
Don't ask me what the reason for the cockup is. All I can say is that some upgrades to 11.0 were put through earlier and (immediately) afterwards I could not use xine to view digital TV - and I was watching TV all day until I turned it off to do the upgrades. Replacing .xine with a backup (a lucky copy for use on another system!) made it all work again.
Ciao.
I would have thought it good practice to to do a backup before applying any update at any time, one of the reasons I will not touch any form of automatic update procedure... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkljMrAACgkQasN0sSnLmgI99gCgo5sBW3SuBsxIqTEWo2v4beSr wj4AoIPCRk7Cj0IvuZm0U+ZNwFG14QcR =iXkw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
G T Smith wrote:
....then (regularly) make a backup of the file ~/.xine so that should some upgrade/update to your installation of oS 11.0/11.1 stops xine from working then use the backup of /.xine to restore xine to a working
Basil Chupin wrote: program.
Don't ask me what the reason for the cockup is. All I can say is that some upgrades to 11.0 were put through earlier and (immediately) afterwards I could not use xine to view digital TV - and I was watching TV all day until I turned it off to do the upgrades. Replacing .xine with a backup (a lucky copy for use on another system!) made it all work again.
Ciao.
I would have thought it good practice to to do a backup before applying any update at any time, one of the reasons I will not touch any form of automatic update procedure...
There are 2 directories I always backup before any upgrades/updates are allowed and they are ~/.thunderbird and .mozilla. In all the years of using SuSE I have never found it necessary to backup anything (except for above and also see further) before upgrades but now it appears that the time has come to be really prudent when dealing with the latest offerings for oS 11.x and doing backups has now become a necessity. (I backup my home directory once a week but now it will be done before any upgrades are done.) Ciao. -- "With the portion of mankind that is above average one may speak of higher things; with those below it, one may not." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2009-01-06 at 22:28 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
G T Smith wrote:
I would have thought it good practice to to do a backup before applying any update at any time, one of the reasons I will not touch any form of automatic update procedure...
There are 2 directories I always backup before any upgrades/updates are allowed and they are ~/.thunderbird and .mozilla.
In all the years of using SuSE I have never found it necessary to backup anything (except for above and also see further) before upgrades but now
You simply have been lucky so far. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkljSfcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XR0wCdH+1iPFAnZdphe6ffBobiyySP i3IAn1qrXCd451XM4JoCgkp0shYAL05T =5M52 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday, 2009-01-06 at 22:28 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
G T Smith wrote:
I would have thought it good practice to to do a backup before applying any update at any time, one of the reasons I will not touch any form of automatic update procedure...
There are 2 directories I always backup before any upgrades/updates are allowed and they are ~/.thunderbird and .mozilla.
In all the years of using SuSE I have never found it necessary to backup anything (except for above and also see further) before upgrades but now
You simply have been lucky so far.
For the past ~9 years? Possibly :-) . Ciao. -- "With the portion of mankind that is above average one may speak of higher things; with those below it, one may not." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2009-01-10 at 15:32 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
In all the years of using SuSE I have never found it necessary to backup anything (except for above and also see further) before upgrades but now
You simply have been lucky so far.
For the past ~9 years? Possibly :-) .
The upgrade from 7.3 to 8.1 (when Yast2 came out) forgot to mount my /usr or /opt partition, thus writing so much files to the root partition that it overfilled and crashed the upgrade. So I lost it. Luck had it that my backup was not full (a Yast made backup only). Yes, you have been lucky >:-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklopI8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VgTACfdo3koWCRJkOemtVlRI9HL3Xe vDcAn3+aD6+3DR5uzVErAlMZ4wA1xJt/ =Ffqt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Saturday, 2009-01-10 at 15:32 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
In all the years of using SuSE I have never found it necessary to backup anything (except for above and also see further) before upgrades but now
You simply have been lucky so far.
For the past ~9 years? Possibly :-) .
The upgrade from 7.3 to 8.1 (when Yast2 came out) forgot to mount my /usr or /opt partition, thus writing so much files to the root partition that it overfilled and crashed the upgrade. So I lost it.
I think the answer lies in your statement: "The upgrade.....". I never upgrade but always install as a new install. The other thing is that I more than likely use my system for completely difference purposes than you. To me everything is re-installable - except what I have as settings for Firefox, and the messages I have in Thunderbird. (Oh! There is one more directory I backup periodically and that is my Documents directory containing all my correspondence. This one slipped my mind in earlier responses.) Also, all my HDs are in removable cradles so I am able to remove/install HDs "at will" and therefore use the one computer (which eliminates hardware differences when spotting problems). I use 2 HDs per installation; and I use one installation as my "main, working" system, and have another another 'installation' which is for testing a new release of oS [and another set of HDs is used for other distros] before I install it on my "working" system for daily use. As a penultimate point, I replace my HDs (Maxtors now called/owned by Seagate) every 2-3 years and if they don't fail in the first 3 months I use them on my "main" system. Finally, my wife has the same setup on her computer as I have so should anything go wrong - except for the Thunderbird's messages and Firefox's bookmarks - I can "sponge" off her :-) (never had to so far but the option is there).
Luck had it that my backup was not full (a Yast made backup only).
Actually, I must have a good look at this feature in YaST. When I was using M$ making backups was a necessity. And having an external USB HD for this purpose I should now consider using it for oS rather than for storing MBs and MBs of M$ crap.
Yes, you have been lucky >:-)
Or "good management"? :-D Ciao. -- "With the portion of mankind that is above average one may speak of higher things; with those below it, one may not." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Saturday, 2009-01-10 at 15:32 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
In all the years of using SuSE I have never found it necessary to backup anything (except for above and also see further) before upgrades but now
· · · ^^^^^^^^^
You simply have been lucky so far.
For the past ~9 years? Possibly :-) .
The upgrade from 7.3 to 8.1 (when Yast2 came out) forgot to mount my /usr or /opt partition, thus writing so much files to the root partition that it overfilled and crashed the upgrade. So I lost it.
I think the answer lies in your statement: "The upgrade.....". I never upgrade but always install as a new install.
You used the word "upgrades" in your post of 06 Jan. As to me, as I learn from my mistakes, I haven't been bitten again. Even then, I only lost the system, not my data. And the configuration was saved elsewere, but had to be adapted by hand.
Luck had it that my backup was not full (a Yast made backup only).
Actually, I must have a good look at this feature in YaST.
It has changed a lot since then. But now I find much easier to simply use rsync to an external disk.
When I was using M$ making backups was a necessity. And having an external USB HD for this purpose I should now consider using it for oS rather than for storing MBs and MBs of M$ crap.
Yes, you have been lucky >:-)
Or "good management"? :-D
If you only have one copy of your data, you will be bitten sooner or later. And you do have backup, a second set of disks with a system, plus your wife computer. So, you do have backups >:-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklp6IUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UK+wCfb9JIOjtjrQXy1SNcxwjHJQ/Y 10UAniTL9V4mZOkAbUwJd88wpSARCrN1 =HCRo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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