[opensuse] No audio equalizer for linux?

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Stan Goodman

29 Jul 2008 29 Jul '08

21:40

As my query about an available software audio equalizer has not been answered in several weeks, I conclude that such a program does not exist. As hard has this is to believe, I accept it. But now, I am curious about the reason for this lack. I understand that the Linux philosophy is strong on modularity, and this is reasonable, and would be even wise if it developers would act accordingly. It would mean that e.g. the designer of an audio player need trouble himself to code nothing but "the engine room" of his application, plus perhaps a GUI, and sooner or later someone else will come along and provide such auxiliaries as a level control (fortunately, Real Player has one built in, and there is even a global level control in the form of Kmix). Yet, many moons after Linux became a major OS, there is, as far as I have been able to find from web searches, no equalizer. So developers have avoided the bother of providing internal equalizers, and have also failed to make available a global module for the purpose. The philosophy cannot be said to actually work in this case. Happily, the developers of Amarok have had the sense to note the weakness of the rigid modular philosophy, and to provide an internal equalizer, in addition to several other things they could have left out had they wanted to do so, but that doesn't help one to adjust the frequency characteristics of audio streams. That Amarok has everything it needs internally is exactly what makes it so useful. So, at the moment, the only solution I see for bridging the gap between the one-size-fits-all audio characteristics provided by streams on the one hand, and those of my aging ears on the other, is a hardware preamplifier. Personally, I think that is an absurdity, if not a scandal. If someone can tell me why this lack still exists, that would satisfy by curiosity. If someone also knows of a software solution, I would be very grateful to learn what it is. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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JB2

30 Jul 30 Jul

01:36

On 29 July 08, Stan Goodman wrote:

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As my query about an available software audio equalizer has not been answered in several weeks, I conclude that such a program does not exist. As hard has this is to believe, I accept it. But now, I am curious about the reason for this lack.

<snip> xmms has one built in and works well. -- Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. Patrick Henry, during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman

15:54

At 04:36:33 on Wednesday Wednesday 30 July 2008, JB2 wrote:

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On 29 July 08, Stan Goodman wrote:

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As my query about an available software audio equalizer has not been answered in several weeks, I conclude that such a program does not exist. As hard has this is to believe, I accept it. But now, I am curious about the reason for this lack.

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xmms has one built in and works well.

What I really want is an equalizer that will work with MPlayer. MPlayer, because it is playing by the modularity rules, doesn't have one. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

16:31

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 10:54:37 am Stan Goodman wrote: ...

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What I really want is an equalizer that will work with MPlayer. MPlayer, because it is playing by the modularity rules, doesn't have one.

This is result of search for ALSA equalizer It is very young (ver0.0.2) http://sourceforge.net/projects/alsa-eq-plugin/ http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=177844 -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman

20:35

At 19:31:36 on Wednesday Wednesday 30 July 2008, "Rajko M." wrote:

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On Wednesday 30 July 2008 10:54:37 am Stan Goodman wrote: ...

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What I really want is an equalizer that will work with MPlayer. MPlayer, because it is playing by the modularity rules, doesn't have one.

This is result of search for ALSA equalizer It is very young (ver0.0.2) http://sourceforge.net/projects/alsa-eq-plugin/ http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=177844

I've downloaded it and will try it. Thanks. It is an alpha, there is no documentation of any sort (perhaps there is something in the archive, which I have not yet opened) and the Task list is empty. There are no messages in the two public forums provided, and no support is offered, though the project is two years old. I would be willing to predict that there will never be a beta or even a 0.3 release. But I will be very happy if it performs its task semi-adequately, and will report if that turns out to be the case, for the information of anybody else who would like to have some kind of control over his sound quality (I can't believe that I am the only one). -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

21:25

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 03:35:01 pm Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 19:31:36 on Wednesday Wednesday 30 July 2008, "Rajko M." ... I've downloaded it and will try it. Thanks.

It is an alpha, there is no documentation of any sort (perhaps there is something in the archive, which I have not yet opened) and the Task list is empty. There are no messages in the two public forums provided, and no support is offered, though the project is two years old. I would be willing to predict that there will never be a beta or even a 0.3 release. But I will be very happy if it performs its task semi-adequately, and will report if that turns out to be the case, for the information of anybody else who would like to have some kind of control over his sound quality (I can't believe that I am the only one).

I should check it before posting the link. It seems that is abandoned by main actor^W developer. See TODO. It sounds strange for open source. It is 3 band. Too little for any effort, IMHO. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman

22:42

At 00:25:07 on Thursday Thursday 31 July 2008, "Rajko M." wrote:

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On Wednesday 30 July 2008 03:35:01 pm Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 19:31:36 on Wednesday Wednesday 30 July 2008, "Rajko M."

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I've downloaded it and will try it. Thanks.

It is an alpha, there is no documentation of any sort (perhaps there is something in the archive, which I have not yet opened) and the Task list is empty. There are no messages in the two public forums provided, and no support is offered, though the project is two years old. I would be willing to predict that there will never be a beta or even a 0.3 release. But I will be very happy if it performs its task semi-adequately, and will report if that turns out to be the case, for the information of anybody else who would like to have some kind of control over his sound quality (I can't believe that I am the only one).

I should check it before posting the link. It seems that is abandoned by main actor^W developer. See TODO. It sounds strange for open source.

It is 3 band. Too little for any effort, IMHO.

You are probably right. I am still trying to figure out what it is that drives Linux developers. What seems clear is that it is not a desire to provide useful software. Sad. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

23:46

* Stan Goodman [07-30-08 18:51]:

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I am still trying to figure out what it is that drives Linux developers. What seems clear is that it is not a desire to provide useful software.

Sad.

Sad is your effort to impose your desires on those who provide their efforts w/o renumeration, and, at least in this particular instance, any appreciation. That is the tone of your post! -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman

31 Jul 31 Jul

06:07

New subject: [opensuse] [OT] Re: No audio equalizer for linux?

At 02:46:24 on Thursday Thursday 31 July 2008, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Stan Goodman [07-30-08 18:51]:

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I am still trying to figure out what it is that drives Linux developers. What seems clear is that it is not a desire to provide useful software.

Sad.

Sad is your effort to impose your desires on those who provide their efforts w/o renumeration, and, at least in this particular instance, any appreciation. That is the tone of your post!

I can't impose anything, and I have no illusions about that. I didn't realize that criticism is prohibited. Perhaps doing a half-job and ignoring documentation is the right way to go after all. Linux, by the way, is not the only OS in which developers produce software without remuneration. Having used OS/2 for many years, I confess that I am seriously spoiled. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

1 Aug 1 Aug

16:29

New subject: [opensuse] [OT] Re: No audio equalizer for linux?

On Thursday 31 July 2008 01:07:22 am Stan Goodman wrote:

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Having used OS/2 for many years, I confess that I am seriously spoiled.

Yes, you are ;-) I was looking for patches for timidity, MIDI to wav converter, using YaST. With many results that are related to GNU/patch program, browsing the list wasn't easy, and I started to think what other keyword might give lesser false hits. One word that came in mind that doesn't fit in above scenario was 'equalizer', but it reminded me on your question. Here is result for 'equal' _________________________________________________________________________ jackEQ - JACK Equalization Tool for Live Performance jackEQ is a tool for routing and manipulating audio from and to multiple input/output sources. It runs in the JACK Audio Connection Kit and uses LADSPA for its back-end DSP work. jackEQ is designed specifically for live performance. _________________________________________________________________________ It is nice to be lazy, sometimes, because there is no hits with 'equalizer', not with Description field enabled. The 'equaliz' will give jackEQ alone. I just installed it and it will not run without 'jackd'. jackd --help will give options. I selected: jackd -d alsa& and than run jackeq& All is done per user. I could not use 'jackd' from another user. I whish you fun playing with equalizer. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

31 Jul 31 Jul

01:15

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 05:42:27 pm Stan Goodman wrote:

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I should check it before posting the link. It seems that is abandoned by main actor^W developer. See TODO. It sounds strange for open source.

It is 3 band. Too little for any effort, IMHO.

You are probably right.

I am still trying to figure out what it is that drives Linux developers. What seems clear is that it is not a desire to provide useful software.

'Useful software' is undefined expression, just as it is word 'useful', without specifying the purpose it relates to. Hammer is not useful to type on the keyboard, but it is very useful to put nails in the panel. Light hammer is not useful for large nails, and big for small. Carpenter hammer is not handy for stonemason. And list can go on, only for hammers. Usual way is to ask for functionality and if someone has time and interest they will pick up. ALSA might be one place to go. JackLab the other. See http://en.opensuse.org/JackLab and http://en.opensuse.org/ALSA for start. Linux is not development with central planning. Many times different instances expressed surprise how much of good software was developed in that way. <rant> So far I recall, nobody was surprised how much bad software was developed despite central planning and market research. </rant> -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kurt Wall

1 Aug 1 Aug

04:10

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 18:15:58 Rajko M. wrote:

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<rant> So far I recall, nobody was surprised how much bad software was developed despite central planning and market research. </rant>

Rather, it continues to astonish me that * So much shoddy software continues to be produced (and consumed) after a great deal of market research and ample central planning. * With minimal market research and central planning, Linux has grown and thrived. Kurt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jpff

31 Jul 31 Jul

09:33

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Stan> I am still trying to figure out what it is that drives Linux developers. Stan> What seems clear is that it is not a desire to provide useful software. Why do I resent that remark? Could it be because of all the hours I have spent writing, maintaining, supporting and documenting Linux audio software? Or the disparity with the feedback? Or the fact that I use the software I write? ==John ffitch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Scott Jones

30 Jul 30 Jul

18:04

On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

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xmms has one built in and works well.

What I really want is an equalizer that will work with MPlayer. MPlayer, because it is playing by the modularity rules, doesn't have one.

MPlayer has an equalizer, as well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman

20:22

At 21:04:00 on Wednesday Wednesday 30 July 2008, Scott Jones wrote:

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On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

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xmms has one built in and works well.

What I really want is an equalizer that will work with MPlayer. MPlayer, because it is playing by the modularity rules, doesn't have one.

MPlayer has an equalizer, as well.

Even as I write, I am listening to streamed "Internet Radio" using the MPlayer plugin. If there is an equalizer there, I don't see it. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Scott Jones

21:20

On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 21:04:00 on Wednesday Wednesday 30 July 2008, Scott Jones

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On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

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xmms has one built in and works well.

What I really want is an equalizer that will work with MPlayer. MPlayer, because it is playing by the modularity rules, doesn't have one.

MPlayer has an equalizer, as well.

Even as I write, I am listening to streamed "Internet Radio" using the MPlayer plugin. If there is an equalizer there, I don't see it.

MPlayer itself does. The plugin, which you didn't mention previously, does not due to the fact that it's a wrapper around the CLI mplayer, which has no graphic equalizer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

JB2

31 Jul 31 Jul

02:07

On 30 July 08, Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 21:04:00 on Wednesday Wednesday 30 July 2008, Scott Jones

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On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

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xmms has one built in and works well.

What I really want is an equalizer that will work with MPlayer. MPlayer, because it is playing by the modularity rules, doesn't have one.

MPlayer has an equalizer, as well.

Even as I write, I am listening to streamed "Internet Radio" using the MPlayer plugin. If there is an equalizer there, I don't see it.

You mean this? (This is the mplayer I downloaded or installed for 10.3, just 'right-click' on the controller thing, not the movie watching window, and it's down a little past the middle of the menu) -- The Second Amendment ain't about duck hunting! Screw you Obama!

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