There seem to be problems with the usb mouse and keyboard on Dell C521 and E521 see http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=sw_other&message.id=54328 The workaround seems to be use a powered usb hub and usb pci card. On Tuesday 28 November 2006 20:58, James Bland wrote:

I have a Dell D620 with no PS2 ports.  Everything works just fine.  You should have no problems.

----- Original Message ----- From: ka1ifq Sent: Tue, 11/28/2006 13:18 To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] Dell Computer with Suse 10.1

         Hello,          I just got a new Dell Dimension C521 w/AMD-64, when I opened it up I noticed that it does not have the conventional ps2 style mouse and kb connectors, will I be able to load and run Suse 10? I do know there is some support for usb kb / mouse. Is anybody running one of these with Suse?          Any info is appreciated, now off to work          Thanks Mike

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Doug McGarrett wrote:

The downside of these goofy new connections is that you can't use a keyboard you really want, or a "mouse" you really want. I have a number of IBM keyboards that I picked up years ago at flea markets, and they're loud, but indestructable, and have a really good "touch." I also use Kensington optical trackballs. I hate computer mice, and have no room for them on my working surfaces, anyway.

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Thursday 30 November 2006 04:19, James Knott wrote:

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You can always use a PS/2 to USB adapter. They're cheap.

If I understand correctly, there are only USB -> PS/2 adaptors (to connect a USB device to a PS/2 port), but not the reverse.

RRS

Both USB -> PS/2 and PS/2->USB are available. I have both at home Both types are shown on this page. http://sewelldirect.com/USBtoPS2.asp?semt_adcatid=1053&semt_keywords=usb%20ps%202%20adapters&semt_match=Exact&semt_search=search&gclid=CIa8m_PB74gCFRorWAodBlk4og -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 30 November 2006 14:17, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Doug,

On Wednesday 29 November 2006 18:21, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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The downside of these goofy new connections is that you can't use a keyboard you really want, or a "mouse" you really want. I have a number of IBM keyboards that I picked up years ago at flea markets, and they're loud, but indestructable, and have a really good "touch." ...

Oh, yeah! Genuine tactile feedback. If anyone knows of a keyboard still in production that has it, I'd love to know about it. I'm sure they're not cheap, but I'd say worthwhile. And yes, those old IBM keyboards were noisy, but you can type much faster and more reliably when you get better feedback.

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Randall Schulz

Some years ago I wanted a keyboard for a non-IBM computer which had the same solidity and tactile feel. I researched and purchased a Northgate keyboard. The base was metal, not plastic, it was heavy, it had the tactile feel, and it had two other things I wanted: I could switch the positions of the alt and ctrl keys and - using dip switches in the base - tell it which keys were which, and it had the function keys down the left side of the keyboard and the across the top. Unfortunately, after many good years of service the keyboard doesn't work properly anymore. I eventually had to place an adapter to go from old style keyboard port to ps/2 style keyboard port, but that didn't help. I would love to get another keyboard like that again for my main desktop workstation. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 30 November 2006 20:37, Ken Jennings wrote:

These people make a keyboard that appears to be 99.9% physically similar to the clickity-click Northgate keyboards: http://www.cvtinc.com/products/keyboards/menu.htm

Weight (product only) 4 lbs, 6oz Yup, sounds about right. They have one with Fkeys where they belong too! -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

* Ken Jennings (ken_jennings@bellsouth.net) [20061201 06:38]:

These people make a keyboard that appears to be 99.9% physically similar to the clickity-click Northgate keyboards: http://www.cvtinc.com/products/keyboards/menu.htm

Too bad I need qwertz layout, otherwise this sounds perfect. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2006/12/01 09:40 (GMT-0500) Patrick Shanahan apparently typed:

* Philipp Thomas [12-01-06 09:04]:

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* Ken Jennings (ken_jennings@bellsouth.net) [20061201 06:38]:

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the clickity-click Northgate keyboards: http://www.cvtinc.com/products/keyboards/menu.htm

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Too bad I need qwertz layout, otherwise this sounds perfect.

Works, *every* key is programmable except the four program control keys at the upper right. Mine has been in use since 1992, a little dirty but completely functional. Only cravat, it's somewhat large.

I got my OmniKey 102 in 1990, and wish I had more of them, but I'm not about to pay upwards of $150 no matter how well made they are. I also have ErgoLogic and FlexPro keyboards, besides a slew of common garbage top function key keyboards. Anyone know where to get reasonably priced new keyboards with function keys where they belong on the left? -- "Let your conversation be always full of grace." Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Philipp Thomas [12-01-06 10:33]:

Ok, but that still doesn't instantly get me changed key caps, does it? As I'm a two finger typist, I need to see what I have to press.

No, you would have to manually pop them off and replace them, but no big thing for a one time occurance. Wondering why though, mine came qwerty. I thought it was standard? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 30 November 2006 23:17, phantom21@mindspring.com wrote:

Some years ago I wanted a keyboard for a non-IBM computer which had the same solidity and tactile feel. I researched and purchased a Northgate keyboard. The base was metal, not plastic, it was heavy, it had the tactile feel, and it had two other things I wanted: I could switch the positions of the alt and ctrl keys and - using dip switches in the base - tell it which keys were which, and it had the function keys down the left side of the keyboard and the across the top.

Unfortunately, after many good years of service the keyboard doesn't work properly anymore. I eventually had to place an adapter to go from old style keyboard port to ps/2 style keyboard port, but that didn't help.

I would love to get another keyboard like that again for my main desktop workstation.

I have an old Northgate like the one you described. It still works great. I do use an AT-PS2 adapter. Quoting from PC World: Northgate is long gone, but the Northgate keyboard has been resurrected by Creative Vision Technologies. The company's $189 Avant Stellar has the same great feel as the OmniKey, along with features that let me get things done fast, starting with two sets of function keys--12 across the top and another 12 in a double row down the left side. The keys on the side make it a breeze to touch-type Ctrl, Alt, and function-key combinations in Windows, Word, and other programs. For example, I can do a Shift-F7 spelling check or close an app with Alt-F4 while blindfolded. The Avant Stellar allows me to remap any key to any other key. For instance, I much prefer having the Ctrl key to the left of the letter 'A', exactly where God and IBM (no longer synonymous) first thought it should go. Très cool, non? I can also create short macros that let one key represent many keystrokes. The Avant Stellar uses a PS/2 connection and works with all versions of Windows. http://www.cvtinc.com/products/keyboards/menu.htm Bryan *************************************** Powered by Kubuntu Linux 6.06 KDE 3.5.2 KMail 1.9.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net *************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org