There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Thanks, Don
Op donderdag 26 juli 2018 22:58:02 CEST schreef don fisher:
There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Thanks, Don
Right click, Save as
On 07/26/2018 02:00 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op donderdag 26 juli 2018 22:58:02 CEST schreef don fisher:
There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Thanks, Don
Right click, Save as
I am trying to get a response like that received when I click on rpm files etc. In Firefox Preferences/general/downloads there is a list of files under "Content Type" that ask if you wish to download them or not. I would like to add to that list, but see no mechanism.
Don
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:20 PM don fisher hdf3@comcast.net wrote:
I am trying to get a response like that received when I click on rpm files etc. In Firefox Preferences/general/downloads there is a list of files under "Content Type" that ask if you wish to download them or not. I would like to add to that list, but see no mechanism.
I don't think you can add to that list... however, the files not downloading correctly is probably a server issue. It is not using the correct mime type and telling the browser that it is (most likely) plain text.
* don fisher hdf3@comcast.net [07-26-18 17:22]:
On 07/26/2018 02:00 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op donderdag 26 juli 2018 22:58:02 CEST schreef don fisher:
There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Thanks, Don
Right click, Save as
I am trying to get a response like that received when I click on rpm files etc. In Firefox Preferences/general/downloads there is a list of files under "Content Type" that ask if you wish to download them or not. I would like to add to that list, but see no mechanism.
open the text file in your browser and <ctrl><a> to select all, then <ctrl><c> to copy the selection to your clip-board. then open a text editor and paste the copied selection into the editor. save the file with the name you wish.
honestly, this is verrrry basic stuffffff.
ever heard of google, good for finding out how to do many things. although I guess it is easier just to ask for someone else to do it for you and of course, that means you will remember how the next time, or not.
paka, et al --
...and then Patrick Shanahan said... % % * don fisher hdf3@comcast.net [07-26-18 17:22]: % > I am trying to get a response like that received when I click on rpm files % > etc. In Firefox Preferences/general/downloads there is a list of files under % > "Content Type" that ask if you wish to download them or not. I would like to % > add to that list, but see no mechanism. % % open the text file in your browser and <ctrl><a> to select all, then % <ctrl><c> to copy the selection to your clip-board. then open a text [snip]
Now, now... To be fair, he's already said that he gets the raw content as a hex dump (and when did pasting the ASCII of a hex dump get you a properly formatted binary file, anyway?!?), but that isn't what he asked. I think that Don in fact did a good job of following up with a description of the behavior he wants (browser prompt to save the file); he doesn't deserve to be castigated for failing to manually save a bunch of garbage that won't work for him.
Don, I know what you mean and believe that it oughta be available but don't have the browser config chops to tell you how; sorry & good luck. I would use Right Click -> Save As or, better yet, just wget it.
HANN
:-D
On 07/26/2018 02:44 PM, David T-G wrote:
paka, et al --
...and then Patrick Shanahan said... % % * don fisher hdf3@comcast.net [07-26-18 17:22]: % > I am trying to get a response like that received when I click on rpm files % > etc. In Firefox Preferences/general/downloads there is a list of files under % > "Content Type" that ask if you wish to download them or not. I would like to % > add to that list, but see no mechanism. % % open the text file in your browser and <ctrl><a> to select all, then % <ctrl><c> to copy the selection to your clip-board. then open a text [snip]
Now, now... To be fair, he's already said that he gets the raw content as a hex dump (and when did pasting the ASCII of a hex dump get you a properly formatted binary file, anyway?!?), but that isn't what he asked. I think that Don in fact did a good job of following up with a description of the behavior he wants (browser prompt to save the file); he doesn't deserve to be castigated for failing to manually save a bunch of garbage that won't work for him.
Don, I know what you mean and believe that it oughta be available but don't have the browser config chops to tell you how; sorry & good luck. I would use Right Click -> Save As or, better yet, just wget it.
HANN
Thanks. I will try it with wget. I thought the old version of Firefox worked this way. I hate it when people "fix" things.
Don
On 07/26/2018 10:58 PM, don fisher wrote:
There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Usually, the trick is to right click instead of "left click" on the file. But if the server has done "something" it will not work.
Can you post the page so we can try and see?
On 07/26/2018 03:58 PM, don fisher wrote:
There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Thanks, Don
I think you are looking for:
Applications panel - Set how Firefox handles different types of files https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/applications-panel-set-how-firefox-hand...
On 07/26/2018 10:45 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/26/2018 03:58 PM, don fisher wrote:
There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Thanks, Don
I think you are looking for:
Applications panel - Set how Firefox handles different types of files https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/applications-panel-set-how-firefox-hand...
That link was to Firefox 55 and below. I followed the link to later versions, and it says "When you click on a link for a type of file that doesn't have a set content type and download action, Firefox will ask you how to handle the file". But for .bin files I get a hexdump, and .txt files a display in the window. I cannot get it to ask how to handle the file. I must have trouble reading:-)
Don
Op zaterdag 28 juli 2018 00:24:49 CEST schreef don fisher:
On 07/26/2018 10:45 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/26/2018 03:58 PM, don fisher wrote:
There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Thanks, Don
I think you are looking for:
Applications panel - Set how Firefox handles different types of files https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/applications-panel-set-how-firefox-ha ndles-files
That link was to Firefox 55 and below. I followed the link to later versions, and it says "When you click on a link for a type of file that doesn't have a set content type and download action, Firefox will ask you how to handle the file". But for .bin files I get a hexdump, and .txt files a display in the window. I cannot get it to ask how to handle the file. I must have trouble reading:-)
Don
Link's on the same page: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/cant-download-or-save-files#w_change-fi...
On 07/27/2018 03:32 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op zaterdag 28 juli 2018 00:24:49 CEST schreef don fisher:
On 07/26/2018 10:45 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/26/2018 03:58 PM, don fisher wrote:
There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Thanks, Don
I think you are looking for:
Applications panel - Set how Firefox handles different types of files https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/applications-panel-set-how-firefox-ha ndles-files
That link was to Firefox 55 and below. I followed the link to later versions, and it says "When you click on a link for a type of file that doesn't have a set content type and download action, Firefox will ask you how to handle the file". But for .bin files I get a hexdump, and .txt files a display in the window. I cannot get it to ask how to handle the file. I must have trouble reading:-)
Don
Link's on the same page: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/cant-download-or-save-files#w_change-fi...
In the link you posted, I clicked on "Change what Firefox does when you click on or download a file", and on that page is "Adding download actions". That page says "When you click on a link for a type of file that doesn't have a set content type and download action, Firefox will ask you how to handle the file". But I cannot get this window to open. I can only assume that all of the files I am trying to download must be covered by the default Mime types. And I do not know how to find out what they are or how to disable them. I could try and hack the handlers.jason file, but I do not know much about Mime types and have been afraid of this option.
I have continued to follow other links and always arrive at a dead end. This current page, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Unable_to_save_or_download_files says "Check for entries related to the problem file type via "Tools -> Options -> Applications and change the action". But there is no Tools->Options in my browser. The moxillazine.org head page does not even indicate what versions of Firefox the notes apply to.
Don
On 07/27/2018 05:24 PM, don fisher wrote:
That link was to Firefox 55 and below. I followed the link to later versions, and it says "When you click on a link for a type of file that doesn't have a set content type and download action, Firefox will ask you how to handle the file". But for .bin files I get a hexdump, and .txt files a display in the window. I cannot get it to ask how to handle the file. I must have trouble reading:-)
Don
I don't think it is a reading problem. Mozilla has dumbed-down the settings and config interface significantly over the past few version jumps to the point something that should be stupid-simple to configure is a frustrating PITA (like trying to set the clock font size in the KDE panel)
On 07/28/2018 04:01 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/27/2018 05:24 PM, don fisher wrote:
That link was to Firefox 55 and below. I followed the link to later versions, and it says "When you click on a link for a type of file that doesn't have a set content type and download action, Firefox will ask you how to handle the file". But for .bin files I get a hexdump, and .txt files a display in the window. I cannot get it to ask how to handle the file. I must have trouble reading:-)
Don
I don't think it is a reading problem. Mozilla has dumbed-down the settings and config interface significantly over the past few version jumps to the point something that should be stupid-simple to configure is a frustrating PITA (like trying to set the clock font size in the KDE panel)
This message of yours displays a huge "autocrypt" header in Thunderbird using almost all of the available vertical screen space, leaving just a single line for the message body at the screen bottom. There is no scroll bar for the huge header section :-(
I had to hit "reply list" in order to see the message text.
What is this new feature about? Not good if I can't read the email... :-(
Le 28/07/2018 à 05:58, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
This message of yours displays a huge "autocrypt" header in Thunderbird using almost all of the available vertical screen space, leaving just a
no problem here reading any message on thunderbird (including this one)
jdd
On 2018-07-28 09:07, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 28/07/2018 à 05:58, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
This message of yours displays a huge "autocrypt" header in Thunderbird using almost all of the available vertical screen space, leaving just a
no problem here reading any message on thunderbird (including this one)
It displays correctly today on Leap 42.3 and Th 52.9.1, but horrible on L 15.0 and same version of TH. I'll have to post a photo later.
On 07/27/2018 07:01 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/27/2018 05:24 PM, don fisher wrote:
That link was to Firefox 55 and below. I followed the link to later versions, and it says "When you click on a link for a type of file that doesn't have a set content type and download action, Firefox will ask you how to handle the file". But for .bin files I get a hexdump, and .txt files a display in the window. I cannot get it to ask how to handle the file. I must have trouble reading:-)
Don
I don't think it is a reading problem. Mozilla has dumbed-down the settings and config interface significantly over the past few version jumps to the point something that should be stupid-simple to configure is a frustrating PITA (like trying to set the clock font size in the KDE panel)
Is there a way to load an old version of Firefox? I guess I am simple, but I never felt the need for more than Netscape:-) Is there a way to get to older distribution trees, something like 3.1. I found a 42.2 dist with a Firefox 49.0.2-37. Do you see any problem installing this?
Don
don fisher composed on 2018-07-28 18:08 (UTC-0700):
Is there a way to load an old version of Firefox? I guess I am simple, but I never felt the need for more than Netscape:-) Is there a way to get to older distribution trees, something like 3.1. I found a 42.2 dist with a Firefox 49.0.2-37. Do you see any problem installing this?
I have and use all the final and latest ESR releases:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
Use a separate profile for each.
Run more than one at a time with this ENVAR:
MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
or this startup switch:
-no-remote
On 07/28/2018 08:08 PM, don fisher wrote:
Is there a way to load an old version of Firefox? I guess I am simple, but I never felt the need for more than Netscape:-) Is there a way to get to older distribution trees, something like 3.1. I found a 42.2 dist with a Firefox 49.0.2-37. Do you see any problem installing this?
Don
There is no problem doing it, you can download any version you want straight from mozilla, e.g.
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/45.9.0esr/
Just download the .bz2 file, change to the /opt directory, and as root just:
# tar -xjf /path/to/firefox-52.9.0esr.tar.bz2
(you can do this without removing your current firefox)
Then exit root, and run firefox from an xterm the first time to make sure you don't have any missing deps (I don't think you will, but just to be safe)
$ /opt/firefox/firefox
(you may have several messages dumped back to the terminal, but if it launches, you are fine)
You can create a custom `.desktop` file for it in your ~/.local/share/applications folder if you like.
HOWEVER, that said, there are security concerns with using an older firefox. As long as you are not using it for shopping/banking/etc... you won't expose yourself to critical issues, but you know the risks.
That said, there is no reason the current firefox can't be configured to do just what you want with a .bin file. The problems is two-fold. First it is how the web-server reports the type of file it is to firefox. Second it is what firefox is doing with the type reported.
You want the .bin treated as any binary file, e.g. like the tar.bz2 file you downloaded OR you want to set the behavior for "unknown" types to download.
It has been a while, but I the opposite problem with C files not being displayed as text, but being prompted to download them. (it's been a number of years...), but that was the same issue having to tell Firefox to display as plain-text instead of downloading.
There is no reason the current version of firefox can't be configured to handle any type any way you like -- the problem is How TF to do it? I've been picking through about:config and one setting you might try is:
browser.helperApps.alwaysAsk.force
And you may get some ideas from
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1012615
On 07/28/2018 07:20 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/28/2018 08:08 PM, don fisher wrote:
Is there a way to load an old version of Firefox? I guess I am simple, but I never felt the need for more than Netscape:-) Is there a way to get to older distribution trees, something like 3.1. I found a 42.2 dist with a Firefox 49.0.2-37. Do you see any problem installing this?
Don
There is no problem doing it, you can download any version you want straight from mozilla, e.g.
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/45.9.0esr/
Just download the .bz2 file, change to the /opt directory, and as root just:
# tar -xjf /path/to/firefox-52.9.0esr.tar.bz2
(you can do this without removing your current firefox)
Then exit root, and run firefox from an xterm the first time to make sure you don't have any missing deps (I don't think you will, but just to be safe)
$ /opt/firefox/firefox
(you may have several messages dumped back to the terminal, but if it launches, you are fine)
You can create a custom `.desktop` file for it in your ~/.local/share/applications folder if you like.
HOWEVER, that said, there are security concerns with using an older firefox. As long as you are not using it for shopping/banking/etc... you won't expose yourself to critical issues, but you know the risks.
That said, there is no reason the current firefox can't be configured to do just what you want with a .bin file. The problems is two-fold. First it is how the web-server reports the type of file it is to firefox. Second it is what firefox is doing with the type reported.
You want the .bin treated as any binary file, e.g. like the tar.bz2 file you downloaded OR you want to set the behavior for "unknown" types to download.
It has been a while, but I the opposite problem with C files not being displayed as text, but being prompted to download them. (it's been a number of years...), but that was the same issue having to tell Firefox to display as plain-text instead of downloading.
There is no reason the current version of firefox can't be configured to handle any type any way you like -- the problem is How TF to do it? I've been picking through about:config and one setting you might try is:
browser.helperApps.alwaysAsk.force
And you may get some ideas from
Thanks. I only need one browser. My problem is to assure that my bookmarks etc. end up in the new version. I will let you know how it works out.
Don
On 2018-07-29 05:02, don fisher wrote:
On 07/28/2018 07:20 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/28/2018 08:08 PM, don fisher wrote:
Is there a way to load an old version of Firefox? I guess I am simple, but I
Thanks. I only need one browser. My problem is to assure that my bookmarks etc. end up in the new version. I will let you know how it works out.
Don't.
Use always the current (new version) browser, and exceptionally use the old version to do the file download only.
On 29/07/18 07:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Don't.
Use always the current (new version) browser, and exceptionally use the old version to do the file download only.
I have been faced with that situation for some located RPMs and my approach was to locate them with the browser but download them using FTP or, more likely, WGET. The latter has the advantage of easier restart if interrupted :-) Better debugging, more control over retries, authentication, logging, better visibility as to what is going on. GUIS (aka browsers aka firefox) hide too much, hide the configuration and operation, and as this thread is pointing out, make changes to configurations baseline that are not apparent without investigation of the release changelog, and ore. This is why so many of us favour CLI for many operations.
Yes, the GUI has its place and I wouldn't be without it for reading mail (a visual summary is better than the step-and-repeat one at a time of old terminal based mailx or the hell I go though with telephone voicemail!) or for the 99.8% case of web browsing.
But here we have a fine instance of the CLI being not merely a convenience but pretty much a necessity.
On 2018-07-29 14:38, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 29/07/18 07:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Don't.
Use always the current (new version) browser, and exceptionally use the old version to do the file download only.
I have been faced with that situation for some located RPMs and my approach was to locate them with the browser but download them using FTP or, more likely, WGET.
Sure. Me too.
The latter has the advantage of easier restart if interrupted :-) Better debugging, more control over retries, authentication, logging, better visibility as to what is going on. GUIS (aka browsers aka firefox) hide too much, hide the configuration and operation, and as this thread is pointing out, make changes to configurations baseline that are not apparent without investigation of the release changelog, and ore. This is why so many of us favour CLI for many operations.
Yes, the GUI has its place and I wouldn't be without it for reading mail (a visual summary is better than the step-and-repeat one at a time of old terminal based mailx or the hell I go though with telephone voicemail!) or for the 99.8% case of web browsing.
But here we have a fine instance of the CLI being not merely a convenience but pretty much a necessity.
Yep.
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
jdd
On 07/28/2018 11:02 PM, don fisher wrote:
Thanks. I only need one browser. My problem is to assure that my bookmarks etc. end up in the new version. I will let you know how it works out.
You can configure Firefox to sync with Firefox on other computers, so it shouldn't be too hard to keep everything in sync across versions.
On 29/07/18 09:29 AM, James Knott wrote:
On 07/28/2018 11:02 PM, don fisher wrote:
Thanks. I only need one browser. My problem is to assure that my bookmarks etc. end up in the new version. I will let you know how it works out.
You can configure Firefox to sync with Firefox on other computers, so it shouldn't be too hard to keep everything in sync across versions.
Yes, but I think you should give a clue to at least one of the methods of doing this :-)
Le 29/07/2018 à 15:35, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Yes, but I think you should give a clue to at least one of the methods of doing this :-)
"sync" option in Firefox. exact place depends on version. needs an account (created the first time). Very handy.
jdd
On 07/29/2018 09:35 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
You can configure Firefox to sync with Firefox on other computers, so it shouldn't be too hard to keep everything in sync across versions.
Yes, but I think you should give a clue to at least one of the methods of doing this :-)
Click on 3 horizontal bars at top right > Preferences > Firefox Account
On 2018-07-29 14:52, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
Too heavy.
There are other browsers with ftp capability (including mc), but gFTP is specially powerful.
* Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net [07-29-18 10:25]:
On 2018-07-29 14:52, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
Too heavy.
There are other browsers with ftp capability (including mc), but gFTP is specially powerful.
then you should look at lftp. vary powerful and scriptable and runs from the cl.
Le 29/07/2018 à 16:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
There are other browsers with ftp capability (including mc), but gFTP is specially powerful.
I used it time ago. Now I use dolphin or filezilla
jdd
Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-07-29 14:51 (UTC+0200):
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
FTP is still in the MC menu. I don't think I've ever used anything else on Linux for FTP put. FTP get I still find with browser, do with wget.
On 29/07/18 10:25 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-07-29 14:52, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
Too heavy.
There are other browsers with ftp capability (including mc), but gFTP is specially powerful.
If it comes to that, there are FUSE capabilities such as curlftpfs, which lets you mount a FTP site using cURL and FUSE. Once the site looks like a mounted FS you can just use any one of the number of regular file browsers available for Linux.
On 07/29/2018 07:52 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
gFTP did it a lot better... gFTP, a small tools, doing a single job and doing it right...
flipper, on the otherhand, has been a ham-fisted ego trip for the maintainer and a pipe-dream that it could provide the functionality of konqueror ever since d3lphin/dolphin hit the repos in 2006/7. It has always been, and continues to, be a dumbed-down version of what konqueror was (and still is in kde3).
http://paste.opensuse.org/3640165 konqueror
There is no reason gFTP shouldn't be packaged. It is a small, clean and well written graphical ftp/sftp (ftp over ssh) package that handles public key/private key authentication. Why would it not be packaged for 15? It's not a space issue, it's tiny. It's in Main on 42.3 -- who made the decision to drop this package from 15? That was a bad call, see:
http://paste.opensuse.org/98540515 gFTP
* David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com [07-29-18 13:23]:
On 07/29/2018 07:52 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
gFTP did it a lot better... gFTP, a small tools, doing a single job and doing it right...
flipper, on the otherhand, has been a ham-fisted ego trip for the maintainer and a pipe-dream that it could provide the functionality of konqueror ever since d3lphin/dolphin hit the repos in 2006/7. It has always been, and continues to, be a dumbed-down version of what konqueror was (and still is in kde3).
http://paste.opensuse.org/3640165 konqueror
There is no reason gFTP shouldn't be packaged. It is a small, clean and well written graphical ftp/sftp (ftp over ssh) package that handles public key/private key authentication. Why would it not be packaged for 15? It's not a space issue, it's tiny. It's in Main on 42.3 -- who made the decision to drop this package from 15? That was a bad call, see:
geehsz, if you are not going to bother to look for it, why gripe about other people's decisions. gftp IS available: https://software.opensuse.org//download.html?project=GNOME%3AApps&packag... https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Apps/openSUSE_Leap_15.0/x8...
so really it was a bad call to call it a bad call!
On 2018-07-29 16:31, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net [07-29-18 10:25]:
On 2018-07-29 14:52, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
Too heavy.
There are other browsers with ftp capability (including mc), but gFTP is specially powerful.
then you should look at lftp. vary powerful and scriptable and runs from the cl.
gFTP is a gui.
On 2018-07-29 17:34, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 29/07/18 10:25 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-07-29 14:52, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
Too heavy.
There are other browsers with ftp capability (including mc), but gFTP is specially powerful.
If it comes to that, there are FUSE capabilities such as curlftpfs, which lets you mount a FTP site using cURL and FUSE. Once the site looks like a mounted FS you can just use any one of the number of regular file browsers available for Linux.
And can you use that against download.opensuse.org?
On 2018-07-29 19:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com [07-29-18 13:23]:
On 07/29/2018 07:52 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
gFTP did it a lot better... gFTP, a small tools, doing a single job and doing it right...
flipper, on the otherhand, has been a ham-fisted ego trip for the maintainer and a pipe-dream that it could provide the functionality of konqueror ever since d3lphin/dolphin hit the repos in 2006/7. It has always been, and continues to, be a dumbed-down version of what konqueror was (and still is in kde3).
http://paste.opensuse.org/3640165 konqueror
There is no reason gFTP shouldn't be packaged. It is a small, clean and well written graphical ftp/sftp (ftp over ssh) package that handles public key/private key authentication. Why would it not be packaged for 15? It's not a space issue, it's tiny. It's in Main on 42.3 -- who made the decision to drop this package from 15? That was a bad call, see:
geehsz, if you are not going to bother to look for it, why gripe about other people's decisions. gftp IS available: https://software.opensuse.org//download.html?project=GNOME%3AApps&packag... https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Apps/openSUSE_Leap_15.0/x8...
so really it was a bad call to call it a bad call!
Doesn't count: it is "experimental" repo.
(the search page gives now a 503 error, by the way)
On 29/07/18 19:21, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/29/2018 07:52 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
gFTP did it a lot better... gFTP, a small tools, doing a single job and doing it right...
flipper, on the otherhand, has been a ham-fisted ego trip for the maintainer and a pipe-dream that it could provide the functionality of konqueror ever since d3lphin/dolphin hit the repos in 2006/7. It has always been, and continues to, be a dumbed-down version of what konqueror was (and still is in kde3).
Utter, unadulterated horsecack.
There is no single overarching maintainer of Dolphin since many years ago. Whose pipe-dream are you talking about? The original developer's? Because it's certainly never been the intention that Dolphin should replicate the functionality of Konqueror. It was designed precisely for the opposite reason of streamlining and focussing on the file management role within Konqueror, without the overhead of all the heavy web browser elements. There were other efforts, e.g. ReKonq, to do a similar thing for the web browsing component.
It might be a more valid opinion to say that Dolphin doesn't provide every element of the file management functionality that you personally use in Konqueror. But Konqueror has continued being available and included in KDE Applications all these years. And if you're specifically referring to Konqueror 3.x, then you obviously have been continuing to use that to the present date as well along with the rest of KDE3. Would it not be rather the responsibility of the Konqueror developers working on the 4.x version to have ported the same functionality from 3.x, as opposed to being the fault of an apparent 'ego trip' of a developer of an alternative application?
Please try and avoid casting spurious aspersions. Your response is less flipper and more flippant. In another post, you've just written 'to each his own, I guess'. I'd stick with that notion.
And just to throw in my two cents to the OP, I previously used FireFTP within Firefox but sadly since the changes in FF Quantum it is no longer developed, so I switched to Filezilla. For the moment, that's displaying some of the same symptoms I used to see in gFTP: slow-downs, hang-ups. Maybe there's a setting somewhere that needs tweaking. FireFTP just got it right and performed solidly.
gumb
* Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net [07-29-18 13:44]:
On 2018-07-29 16:31, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net [07-29-18 10:25]:
On 2018-07-29 14:52, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
Too heavy.
There are other browsers with ftp capability (including mc), but gFTP is specially powerful.
then you should look at lftp. vary powerful and scriptable and runs from the cl.
gFTP is a gui.
doesn't make it better or easier, just purtifieddd, and maybe not even than, re: gtk abomination.
* Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net [07-29-18 13:50]:
On 2018-07-29 19:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com [07-29-18 13:23]:
On 07/29/2018 07:52 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
gFTP did it a lot better... gFTP, a small tools, doing a single job and doing it right...
flipper, on the otherhand, has been a ham-fisted ego trip for the maintainer and a pipe-dream that it could provide the functionality of konqueror ever since d3lphin/dolphin hit the repos in 2006/7. It has always been, and continues to, be a dumbed-down version of what konqueror was (and still is in kde3).
http://paste.opensuse.org/3640165 konqueror
There is no reason gFTP shouldn't be packaged. It is a small, clean and well written graphical ftp/sftp (ftp over ssh) package that handles public key/private key authentication. Why would it not be packaged for 15? It's not a space issue, it's tiny. It's in Main on 42.3 -- who made the decision to drop this package from 15? That was a bad call, see:
geehsz, if you are not going to bother to look for it, why gripe about other people's decisions. gftp IS available: https://software.opensuse.org//download.html?project=GNOME%3AApps&packag... https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Apps/openSUSE_Leap_15.0/x8...
so really it was a bad call to call it a bad call!
Doesn't count: it is "experimental" repo.
so you don't want it improved and don't want to help improve it?
(the search page gives now a 503 error, by the way)
you have a local problem or a local mirror problem. no #503 here.
On 2018-07-29 20:33, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net [07-29-18 13:50]:
On 2018-07-29 19:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com [07-29-18 13:23]:
On 07/29/2018 07:52 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 29/07/2018 à 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Reminds me: gFTP has disappeared on 15.0 :-(
dunno, but dolphin makes a good job
gFTP did it a lot better... gFTP, a small tools, doing a single job and doing it right...
flipper, on the otherhand, has been a ham-fisted ego trip for the maintainer and a pipe-dream that it could provide the functionality of konqueror ever since d3lphin/dolphin hit the repos in 2006/7. It has always been, and continues to, be a dumbed-down version of what konqueror was (and still is in kde3).
http://paste.opensuse.org/3640165 konqueror
There is no reason gFTP shouldn't be packaged. It is a small, clean and well written graphical ftp/sftp (ftp over ssh) package that handles public key/private key authentication. Why would it not be packaged for 15? It's not a space issue, it's tiny. It's in Main on 42.3 -- who made the decision to drop this package from 15? That was a bad call, see:
geehsz, if you are not going to bother to look for it, why gripe about other people's decisions. gftp IS available: https://software.opensuse.org//download.html?project=GNOME%3AApps&packag... https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Apps/openSUSE_Leap_15.0/x8...
so really it was a bad call to call it a bad call!
Doesn't count: it is "experimental" repo.
so you don't want it improved and don't want to help improve it?
Improve in what way? An experimental gnome repo is a dangerous thing to have enabled, unless you want to be on the edge of things, and I don't.
(the search page gives now a 503 error, by the way)
you have a local problem or a local mirror problem. no #503 here.
It depends on the instant you try. Other person reported a different error, a memory error on the server. Then it worked here and continues working.
On 07/29/2018 05:38 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 29/07/18 07:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Don't.
Use always the current (new version) browser, and exceptionally use the old version to do the file download only.
I have been faced with that situation for some located RPMs and my approach was to locate them with the browser but download them using FTP or, more likely, WGET. The latter has the advantage of easier restart if interrupted :-) Better debugging, more control over retries, authentication, logging, better visibility as to what is going on. GUIS (aka browsers aka firefox) hide too much, hide the configuration and operation, and as this thread is pointing out, make changes to configurations baseline that are not apparent without investigation of the release changelog, and ore. This is why so many of us favour CLI for many operations.
Yes, the GUI has its place and I wouldn't be without it for reading mail (a visual summary is better than the step-and-repeat one at a time of old terminal based mailx or the hell I go though with telephone voicemail!) or for the 99.8% case of web browsing.
But here we have a fine instance of the CLI being not merely a convenience but pretty much a necessity.
As suggested, I used wget to download the files I needed to get my wifi network running on my new Alienware 13 R3 laptop. I also found a link on the web for the Atheros Killer E2500 Gigabit Ethernet Controller which I works, but I have not taken time to determine why. The really strange, to me, commands are: sudo modprobe alx echo 1969 e0b1 | sudo tee /sys/bus/pci/drivers/alx/new_id
Other posts indicate that the opensuse kernel is just not up to date.
One problem at a time:-) Now for Firefox. Thanks for the inputs.
Don
On 07/29/2018 01:50 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It depends on the instant you try. Other person reported a different error, a memory error on the server. Then it worked here and continues working.
The powers that be could simply add gftp to 15. The .srpm from 42.3 builds without issue on 15, e.g.
$ rpmbuild --rebuild gftp-2.0.19-31.3.src.rpm
(note, you will need openssl-devel installed as well as common-translations for the build)
and
$ l1 ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/gftp* /home/david/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/gftp-2.0.19-31.3.x86_64.rpm /home/david/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/gftp-common-2.0.19-31.3.x86_64.rpm /home/david/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/gftp-text-2.0.19-31.3.x86_64.rpm
finally
$ zi ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/gftp*
(edit ~/.fluxbox/menu, add "[exec] (gftp) {gftp}")
Works great!
On 27/07/18 07:20, don fisher wrote:
On 07/26/2018 02:00 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op donderdag 26 juli 2018 22:58:02 CEST schreef don fisher:
There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Thanks, Don
Right click, Save as
I am trying to get a response like that received when I click on rpm files etc. In Firefox Preferences/general/downloads there is a list of files under "Content Type" that ask if you wish to download them or not. I would like to add to that list, but see no mechanism.
Don
This has nothing to do with *Downloading* files. The "Content Type" is for what to do when a file of the type mentioned in the list is selected by LEFT-clicking on it. For example, if you LEFT-click on a *.pdf file you can actually read it ONLINE using, say, Okular.
However, if you want to *download* a file -- even that *.pdf file -- then RIGHT-click on the file and from the drop-down menu select to *SAVE* the file -- and you should have already configured Firefox to save the/all file/s into your /home/Downloads/ directory.
BC
On 07/29/2018 09:32 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Works great!
Screenshot gftp on Leap 15/fluxbox desktop
http://paste.opensuse.org/35974473
On 2018-07-30 04:42, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 27/07/18 07:20, don fisher wrote:
On 07/26/2018 02:00 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op donderdag 26 juli 2018 22:58:02 CEST schreef don fisher:
There are a few firmware files I need to down load to get my wireless running. I thought in Firefox, if you clicked on a file, there was a way to select downloading. Now all I get is a dump in hexedit. Is there something to set up to restore this basic capability?
Thanks, Don
Right click, Save as
I am trying to get a response like that received when I click on rpm files etc. In Firefox Preferences/general/downloads there is a list of files under "Content Type" that ask if you wish to download them or not. I would like to add to that list, but see no mechanism.
Don
This has nothing to do with *Downloading* files. The "Content Type" is for what to do when a file of the type mentioned in the list is selected by LEFT-clicking on it. For example, if you LEFT-click on a *.pdf file you can actually read it ONLINE using, say, Okular.
However, if you want to *download* a file -- even that *.pdf file -- then RIGHT-click on the file and from the drop-down menu select to *SAVE* the file -- and you should have already configured Firefox to save the/all file/s into your /home/Downloads/ directory.
Yes. I have tried to say that some days ago, but apparently it did not register.
On 07/28/2018 07:20 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/28/2018 08:08 PM, don fisher wrote:
Is there a way to load an old version of Firefox? I guess I am simple, but I never felt the need for more than Netscape:-) Is there a way to get to older distribution trees, something like 3.1. I found a 42.2 dist with a Firefox 49.0.2-37. Do you see any problem installing this?
Don
There is no problem doing it, you can download any version you want straight from mozilla, e.g.
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/45.9.0esr/
Just download the .bz2 file, change to the /opt directory, and as root just:
# tar -xjf /path/to/firefox-52.9.0esr.tar.bz2
(you can do this without removing your current firefox)
Then exit root, and run firefox from an xterm the first time to make sure you don't have any missing deps (I don't think you will, but just to be safe)
$ /opt/firefox/firefox
(you may have several messages dumped back to the terminal, but if it launches, you are fine)
You can create a custom `.desktop` file for it in your ~/.local/share/applications folder if you like.
HOWEVER, that said, there are security concerns with using an older firefox. As long as you are not using it for shopping/banking/etc... you won't expose yourself to critical issues, but you know the risks.
That said, there is no reason the current firefox can't be configured to do just what you want with a .bin file. The problems is two-fold. First it is how the web-server reports the type of file it is to firefox. Second it is what firefox is doing with the type reported.
You want the .bin treated as any binary file, e.g. like the tar.bz2 file you downloaded OR you want to set the behavior for "unknown" types to download.
It has been a while, but I the opposite problem with C files not being displayed as text, but being prompted to download them. (it's been a number of years...), but that was the same issue having to tell Firefox to display as plain-text instead of downloading.
There is no reason the current version of firefox can't be configured to handle any type any way you like -- the problem is How TF to do it? I've been picking through about:config and one setting you might try is:
browser.helperApps.alwaysAsk.force
And you may get some ideas from
Tanks for help. I could not get older versions to work. Firefox kept updating itself to a newer version. Maybe I will try again another time.
Don
don fisher composed on 2018-08-22 17:50 (UTC-0700):
I could not get older versions to work. Firefox kept updating itself to a newer version. Maybe I will try again another time.
1-download firefox-esr 52 2-disconnect network 3-install Firefox 4-disable automatic updates in prefs or about:config 5-reconnect network 6-use FF normally
Alternatively: 1-create new or restore old FF profile 2-create profile file user.js containing: user_pref("app.update.auto", false); user_pref("app.update.enabled", false); 3-use FF normally
With newer firefox versions, disabling automatic updates is trickier: https://www.ghacks.net/2018/07/28/mozilla-makes-it-more-difficult-to-block-f...
On 08/22/2018 06:54 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
don fisher composed on 2018-08-22 17:50 (UTC-0700):
I could not get older versions to work. Firefox kept updating itself to a newer version. Maybe I will try again another time.
1-download firefox-esr 52 2-disconnect network 3-install Firefox 4-disable automatic updates in prefs or about:config 5-reconnect network 6-use FF normally
Alternatively: 1-create new or restore old FF profile 2-create profile file user.js containing: user_pref("app.update.auto", false); user_pref("app.update.enabled", false); 3-use FF normally
With newer firefox versions, disabling automatic updates is trickier: https://www.ghacks.net/2018/07/28/mozilla-makes-it-more-difficult-to-block-f...
Thanks for the suggestions. Another problem I have is that Firefox appears to be trying to run as root. I receive many of the following messages:
(firefox:4251): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create directory '/run/user/0/dconf': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly.
Any idea why this is happening?
Don
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