[opensuse] Fonts are not right in my Thunderbird under Leap (Xfce)
Hi, This is how it displays: http://susepaste.org/89482601 it doesn't look right, somehow. But I don't know where to look. Changing the default font in Th settings does nothing. The desktop apparently uses "Sans", whatever that is, but the preview there doesn't match what I see in Th. either. I have changed there to "Luxi Sans", to see if Th changes. Not that I can see :-? -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-11-13 01:44 (UTC+0100):
This is how it displays:
it doesn't look right, somehow. But I don't know where to look. Changing the default font in Th settings does nothing.
The desktop apparently uses "Sans", whatever that is, but the preview there doesn't match what I see in Th. either. I have changed there to "Luxi Sans", to see if Th changes. Not that I can see :-?
do $ fc-match sans to find out which font it is. I can't tell from that image what bothers you. Those fonts are all much too small here. Has it always been like that, or just changed after updating? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/11/15 01:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
This is how it displays:
it doesn't look right, somehow. But I don't know where to look. Changing the default font in Th settings does nothing.
The desktop apparently uses "Sans", whatever that is, but the preview there doesn't match what I see in Th. either. I have changed there to "Luxi Sans", to see if Th changes. Not that I can see :-?
I think the answer is in one of your unread messages in Archives. You'll have to dig it out. :D How about if you try changing the encoding for the message, or is it like that on all messages? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/13/2015 02:01 AM, gumb wrote:
On 13/11/15 01:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I think the answer is in one of your unread messages in Archives. You'll have to dig it out. :D
What...? Ah! LOL! :-)
How about if you try changing the encoding for the message, or is it like that on all messages?
All messages. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/13/2015 02:00 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-11-13 01:44 (UTC+0100):
do
$ fc-match sans
cer@Minas-Anor:~> fc-match sans DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" cer@Minas-Anor:~> Yes, that's what I have just set a minute ago. The word "book" I don't know what it means above.
to find out which font it is. I can't tell from that image what bothers you. Those fonts are all much too small here. Has it always been like that, or just changed after updating?
Always since install, which is a week old Leap 42.1. It looks different and more difficult to read than 13.1 in this same laptop. I can change the font in the header panel, but not in the body panel. It remains small and... I don't know how to explain, fuzzy. In Thunderbird I set the size to "20", and it doesn't change anything. Ah, got something: in "advanced", I change the size of "mono" to "16", and it does change to bigger font, but they are very thin. Well, after many tries I got it to something easier to read. Droid Sans Mono 15. It gets changed in the compose window, but not in the body panel. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-11-13 02:24 (UTC+0100):
do
$ fc-match sans
cer@Minas-Anor:~> fc-match sans DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" cer@Minas-Anor:~>
Yes, that's what I have just set a minute ago. The word "book" I don't know what it means above.
to find out which font it is. I can't tell from that image what bothers you. Those fonts are all much too small here. Has it always been like that, or just changed after updating?
Always since install, which is a week old Leap 42.1. It looks different and more difficult to read than 13.1 in this same laptop. I can change the font in the header panel, but not in the body panel. It remains small and... I don't know how to explain, fuzzy.
In Thunderbird I set the size to "20", and it doesn't change anything. Ah, got something: in "advanced", I change the size of "mono" to "16", and it does change to bigger font, but they are very thin.
Apparently the AA settings in your new Leap installation are different from what you are used to. Those affect some fonts more or less than others, and the differences vary according to size as well. Perusing the following may make font differences easier to understand, especially if used in conjuction with changes to your AA settings: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-ui15.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fontm-droidmono.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidsans.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-dejavu.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-droid.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/
Well, after many tries I got it to something easier to read. Droid Sans Mono 15. It gets changed in the compose window, but not in the body panel.
If you mean by body panel the message content pane, it's probably using a different charset than your default. In about:config you'll find there are separate font family and size settings for a lot of different charsets, but only one is affected by the changes you made in "advanced". Before messing with them you may need to tweak on the charset settings in the prefs UI. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-11-13 02:24 (UTC+0100):
do
$ fc-match sans
cer@Minas-Anor:~> fc-match sans DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" cer@Minas-Anor:~>
Yes, that's what I have just set a minute ago. The word "book" I don't know what it means above.
It's the name used for default or plain, not special, no slant, standard weight.
to find out which font it is. I can't tell from that image what bothers you. Those fonts are all much too small here. Has it always been like that, or just changed after updating?
Always since install, which is a week old Leap 42.1. It looks different and more difficult to read than 13.1 in this same laptop. I can change the font in the header panel, but not in the body panel. It remains small and... I don't know how to explain, fuzzy.
In Thunderbird I set the size to "20", and it doesn't change anything. Ah, got something: in "advanced", I change the size of "mono" to "16", and it does change to bigger font, but they are very thin.
Apparently the AA settings in your new Leap installation are different from what you are used to. Those affect some fonts more or less than others, and the differences vary according to size as well. Perusing the following may make font differences easier to understand, especially if used in conjuction with changes to your AA settings: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-ui15.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fontm-droidmono.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidsans.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-dejavu.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-droid.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/
Well, after many tries I got it to something easier to read. Droid Sans Mono 15. It gets changed in the compose window, but not in the body panel.
If you mean by body panel the message content pane, it's probably using a different charset than your default. In about:config you'll find there are separate font family and size settings for a lot of different charsets, but only one is affected by the changes you made in "advanced". Before messing with them you may need to tweak on the charset settings in the prefs UI. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/13/2015 02:49 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-11-13 02:24 (UTC+0100):
In Thunderbird I set the size to "20", and it doesn't change anything. Ah, got something: in "advanced", I change the size of "mono" to "16", and it does change to bigger font, but they are very thin.
Apparently the AA settings in your new Leap installation are different from what you are used to. Those affect some fonts more or less than others, and the differences vary according to size as well. Perusing the following may make font differences easier to understand, especially if used in conjuction with changes to your AA settings:
Antialiasing? Dunno. Check this one, of this very post, see the difference between the body panel and the compose window: http://susepaste.org/19192630
http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-ui15.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fontm-droidmono.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidsans.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-dejavu.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-droid.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/
Well, after many tries I got it to something easier to read. Droid Sans Mono 15. It gets changed in the compose window, but not in the body panel.
If you mean by body panel the message content pane, it's probably using a different charset than your default. In about:config you'll find there are separate font family and size settings for a lot of different charsets, but only one is affected by the changes you made in "advanced". Before messing with them you may need to tweak on the charset settings in the prefs UI.
I'm not sure I follow. For instance, most posts in this mail list show with very small font. Those from Patrick show big: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yours: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need to change the font used by those posts (the majority). -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/13/2015 03:49 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I need to change the font used by those posts (the majority).
I think I found it. In display settings, formatting, advanced, some posts are covered by "Latin" charset. But most fonts are covered by "Other writing systems". I have now selected for both dejavu fonts. The default is a no name font with the name "monospace", very thin even when forced to be big with the "ctrl +" key combo. Another setting that affects them is the "minimum font size" which by default is "none". Now they are not perfect, but easier to read than they were. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/12/2015 08:00 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
do
$ fc-match sans
Hmmm. $apropos fc- You learn something new every day! Thank you, Felix :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/12/2015 08:24 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/13/2015 02:00 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-11-13 01:44 (UTC+0100):
do
$ fc-match sans
cer@Minas-Anor:~> fc-match sans DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" cer@Minas-Anor:~>
Yes, that's what I have just set a minute ago. The word "book" I don't know what it means above.
to find out which font it is. I can't tell from that image what bothers you. Those fonts are all much too small here. Has it always been like that, or just changed after updating?
Always since install, which is a week old Leap 42.1. It looks different and more difficult to read than 13.1 in this same laptop. I can change the font in the header panel, but not in the body panel. It remains small and... I don't know how to explain, fuzzy.
In Thunderbird I set the size to "20", and it doesn't change anything. Ah, got something: in "advanced", I change the size of "mono" to "16", and it does change to bigger font, but they are very thin.
Well, after many tries I got it to something easier to read. Droid Sans Mono 15. It gets changed in the compose window, but not in the body panel.
Just a hint. Put your mouse pointer in the "body" panel and use <ctrl>mouse-wheel to change the text size. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/13/2015 02:13 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
Just a hint. Put your mouse pointer in the "body" panel and use <ctrl>mouse-wheel to change the text size.
Interesting. Although for me it is easier to remember ctrl +/- The font size changes, yes. But the letters are drawn in very thin lines, even if the font size is big. But it is now much better than it was. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-11-13 15:03 (UTC+0100):
...for me it is easier to remember ctrl +/-
The font size changes, yes. But the letters are drawn in very thin lines, even if the font size is big.
But it is now much better than it was.
About the thinness, I just saw http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2015-November/005594.html and thought I would give it a try after loading http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-oxy.html on 13.2/KDE3 with default fontconfig AA configuration http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fnt/dejavuThin-os132kde3-AA0-1440x0900x096.jpg and on 42.1/IceWM with default fontconfig AA configuration http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fnt/dejavuThin-os421icewm-AA0-1440x0900x096.jpg and noticing emaciated looking (thin) DejaVu Sans (and Liberation Sans) compared to the others (Droid, Noto, Oxygen, Roboto). So on 42.1 I renamed /etc/fonts/conf.d/10-* to not be found, and copied from the same PC's Kubuntu 15.10 Wily installation /etc/fonts/conf.d/10-* to 42.1, which produced a striking difference: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fnt/dejavuBuntCfg-os421icewm-AA0-1440x0900x096.jpg Maybe a similar Ubuntu tweak is worth your trying? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/13/2015 09:48 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-11-13 15:03 (UTC+0100):
Maybe a similar Ubuntu tweak is worth your trying?
I don't have Kubuntu, but I changed to "droid" fonts, and the difference is important. "Noto" I don't have installed. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R composed on 2015-11-14 02:25 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
Maybe a similar Ubuntu tweak is worth your trying?
I don't have Kubuntu, but I changed to "droid" fonts, and the difference is important. "Noto" I don't have installed.
Noto only missed becoming the systemwide preferred sans font for Leap by a few weeks, has been proposed to replace DejaVu via updates (which I don't see happening), and unless something unexpected happens, almost certainly will replace it for the next Leap version: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951898 FWIW, Droids have been my own systemwide defaults for sans, serif and monospace for several years. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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