
Hi All I was trying to unsub from this list from another address of mine, which didn't work properly, so I tested the present provider, which in turn works fine I couldn't unsubscribe from the list's site (https://lists.opensuse.org) because I haven't got an account and getting a new one was not available. So I sent an unsub mail to users-leave@opensuse.org, it seems this is the correct procedure now, but I wasn't able to unsubscribe, I got a "delivery notification", which I sent to the list's owner. He said "I'll look into it", but after a couple of weeks I tried again to unsubscribe and it failed as before. I reported the issue to the owner, but this time I didn't even get a reply, so I had to filter the list as "spam" to not get it double downloaded. What's up with "users"? Is it gonna be eliminated perhaps? Cheers,

mauro wrote:
Hi All
I was trying to unsub from this list from another address of mine, which didn't work properly, so I tested the present provider, which in turn works fine
I couldn't unsubscribe from the list's site (https://lists.opensuse.org) because I haven't got an account and getting a new one was not available.
So I sent an unsub mail to users-leave@opensuse.org, it seems this is the correct procedure now,
The correct address is "users-leave@lists.opensuse.org"
but I wasn't able to unsubscribe, I got a "delivery notification", which I sent to the list's owner. He said "I'll look into it",
I did ?
What's up with "users"? Is it gonna be eliminated perhaps?
Nope. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland.

On 19/02/21 17:24, Per Jessen wrote:
mauro wrote:
Hi All
I was trying to unsub from this list from another address of mine, which didn't work properly, so I tested the present provider, which in turn works fine
I couldn't unsubscribe from the list's site (https://lists.opensuse.org) because I haven't got an account and getting a new one was not available.
So I sent an unsub mail to users-leave@opensuse.org, it seems this is the correct procedure now,
The correct address is "users-leave@lists.opensuse.org"
but I wasn't able to unsubscribe, I got a "delivery notification", which I sent to the list's owner. He said "I'll look into it",
I did ?
What's up with "users"? Is it gonna be eliminated perhaps?
Nope.
I didn't get an answer from you but from Robin Shepheard <robin.shepheard@protonmail.com>

On 19/02/21 17:24, Per Jessen wrote:
The correct address is "users-leave@lists.opensuse.org"
Thank you Per, this one worked
On 31/01/21 15:59, Robin Shepheard wrote: To unsubscribe from a mailing list, simply send an email to *<LISTNAME-leave@opensuse.org>*
If you are the owner, who's Robin and why does he give me a wrong address? Has the address changed another time in the meantime? (I'm sure till not long ago it was <request@lists.opensuse.org>)

On 19/02/2021 21.52, mauro wrote:
On 19/02/21 17:24, Per Jessen wrote:
The correct address is "users-leave@lists.opensuse.org"
Thank you Per, this one worked
On 31/01/21 15:59, Robin Shepheard wrote: To unsubscribe from a mailing list, simply send an email to *<LISTNAME-leave@opensuse.org>*
If you are the owner, who's Robin and why does he give me a wrong address? Has the address changed another time in the meantime? (I'm sure till not long ago it was <request@lists.opensuse.org>)
No, the address has not changed recently. It changed on November 10, 2020. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

mauro wrote:
On 19/02/21 17:24, Per Jessen wrote:
The correct address is "users-leave@lists.opensuse.org"
Thank you Per, this one worked
Good to hear that!
On 31/01/21 15:59, Robin Shepheard wrote: To unsubscribe from a mailing list, simply send an email to *<LISTNAME-leave@opensuse.org>*
If you are the owner,
Well, I "own" most of our mailing lists as I have been looking after our mailing lists for a few years. When you write to LISTNAME-owner, you most often write to me, but some lists have separate owners.
who's Robin and why does he give me a wrong address? Has the address changed another time in the meantime? (I'm sure till not long ago it was <request@lists.opensuse.org>)
I'm sure his suggestion was well intended, but maybe he mistyped or accidentally left out 'lists'. We migrated the mailing lists from mlmmj to mailman last year in November. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

On 20/02/21 08:00, Per Jessen wrote:
Well, I "own" most of our mailing lists as I have been looking after our mailing lists for a few years. When you write to LISTNAME-owner, you most often write to me, but some lists have separate owners.
Ah ok, I see I wrote to users-owner, so Robin must be the admin of this list
who's Robin and why does he give me a wrong address? Has the address changed another time in the meantime? (I'm sure till not long ago it was <request@lists.opensuse.org>)
I'm sure his suggestion was well intended, but maybe he mistyped or accidentally left out 'lists'.
sure! though he could at least have replied to my mail, no problem, I've given up trying to live in a perfect world last year :)
We migrated the mailing lists from mlmmj to mailman last year in November.
I suspected some major change had been taken place, I probably missed the notice of the address change, November was a buzy time All well Cheers,

mauro wrote:
On 20/02/21 08:00, Per Jessen wrote:
Well, I "own" most of our mailing lists as I have been looking after our mailing lists for a few years. When you write to LISTNAME-owner, you most often write to me, but some lists have separate owners.
Ah ok, I see I wrote to users-owner, so Robin must be the admin of this list
Hmm, maybe, but not that I am aware of. Ah I see, he is a moderator. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland.

On 21/02/21 17:56, Per Jessen wrote:
mauro wrote:
On 20/02/21 08:00, Per Jessen wrote:
Well, I "own" most of our mailing lists as I have been looking after our mailing lists for a few years. When you write to LISTNAME-owner, you most often write to me, but some lists have separate owners.
Ah ok, I see I wrote to users-owner, so Robin must be the admin of this list
Hmm, maybe, but not that I am aware of. Ah I see, he is a moderator.
uhmmmmm I tend to not liking the concept of moderation per se Are the lists policies published somewhere? (if the moderation involves something different from usual things "11-thou will not profane the name of uncle Bill" etc? I meant Linus, uncle LINUS, long life and prosper to Him!

On 2021-02-22 15:12, mauro wrote:
lists policies
Probably something in the line mailing list netiquette. Keep to the mailing list netiquette and all's well. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette -- /bengan

On 22/02/21 14:28, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2021-02-22 15:12, mauro wrote:
lists policies
Probably something in the line mailing list netiquette. Keep to the mailing list netiquette and all's well.
No I didn't mean that, usually I know how to behave (sometimes I like to break the rules tough :)

mauro wrote:
On 21/02/21 17:56, Per Jessen wrote:
mauro wrote:
On 20/02/21 08:00, Per Jessen wrote:
Well, I "own" most of our mailing lists as I have been looking after our mailing lists for a few years. When you write to LISTNAME-owner, you most often write to me, but some lists have separate owners.
Ah ok, I see I wrote to users-owner, so Robin must be the admin of this list
Hmm, maybe, but not that I am aware of. Ah I see, he is a moderator.
uhmmmmm I tend to not liking the concept of moderation per se
Agree completely. It is an openSUSE board initiated scheme, it's not been running for very long and I don't know how successful it has been. In fact, I have heard nothing since it was initiated. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.3°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:05:01 +0100 Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
mauro wrote:
On 21/02/21 17:56, Per Jessen wrote:
mauro wrote:
On 20/02/21 08:00, Per Jessen wrote:
Well, I "own" most of our mailing lists as I have been looking after our mailing lists for a few years. When you write to LISTNAME-owner, you most often write to me, but some lists have separate owners.
Ah ok, I see I wrote to users-owner, so Robin must be the admin of this list
Hmm, maybe, but not that I am aware of. Ah I see, he is a moderator.
uhmmmmm I tend to not liking the concept of moderation per se
Agree completely. It is an openSUSE board initiated scheme, it's not been running for very long and I don't know how successful it has been. In fact, I have heard nothing since it was initiated.
It's normal for moderators to be respected members of lists (or forums) that they moderate. I don't recall ever seeing a posting from Robin on this list. I wonder how he judges what is necessary of moderation and how we see that on the list? Transparency is important.

On 22/02/21 15:39, Dave Howorth wrote:
It's normal for moderators to be respected members of lists (or forums) that they moderate. I don't recall ever seeing a posting from Robin on this list. I wonder how he judges what is necessary of moderation and how we see that on the list? Transparency is important.
Yes. Trasparency is what makes opensource, and not only that. I wonder how it comes that I write to the list's owner and get a reply from a "moderator". Moderating what?

On 2/23/21 12:42 AM, mauro wrote:
On 21/02/21 17:56, Per Jessen wrote:
mauro wrote:
On 20/02/21 08:00, Per Jessen wrote:
Well, I "own" most of our mailing lists as I have been looking after our mailing lists for a few years. When you write to LISTNAME-owner, you most often write to me, but some lists have separate owners.
Ah ok, I see I wrote to users-owner, so Robin must be the admin of this list
Hmm, maybe, but not that I am aware of. Ah I see, he is a moderator.
uhmmmmm I tend to not liking the concept of moderation per se Are the lists policies published somewhere? (if the moderation involves something different from usual things "11-thou will not profane the name of uncle Bill" etc?
I meant Linus, uncle LINUS, long life and prosper to Him!
Currently all moderators are really doing is approving or rejecting emails from non list members (mostly rejecting because we get a tonne of spam) -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

On 23/02/21 10:23, Simon Lees wrote:
On 2/23/21 12:42 AM, mauro wrote:
Are the lists policies published somewhere? (if the moderation involves something different from usual things
Currently all moderators are really doing is approving or rejecting emails from non list members (mostly rejecting because we get a tonne of spam)
"my" moderator did something very different: he acted as the list owner, impersonating the list owner he promised to look after my problem and then puff! he disappeared. As a list member I think I deserve an explanation, for I won't accept to submit to such a wrong moderation
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Bengt Gördén
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