On 11/06/2013 08:41 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Attachmate OWNS Opensuse and most of the remnants of Novell, so its not exactly a third party.

It's still an overseas company which doesn't need my personal data for me filing a bug-report.

Odd that you put your email on a mailing list that gets echoed all over the world, but not on a bug reporting tool.

I wrote ADDRESS, not email-address. The registrations requires full personal data, street address, phone number, job title, etc. All mandatory fields. Maybe you should verify the process and precisely read what I wrote before writing condescending replies.

If you are going to be that worried about sharing an email address while still running FREE software you might just sign up for a free email address to use just for that purpose.

If you check my list address, you see, that it's a dedicated address and it only accepts mails from this list. Every mailing list and every registration anywhere gets it's own dedicated email-address on my server. -S -- (o_ Stefan Gofferje | SCLT, MCP, CCSA //\ Reg'd Linux User #247167 | VCP #2263 V_/_ Heckler & Koch - the original point and click interface

* Stefan Gofferje [11-06-13 14:07]:

On 11/06/2013 08:41 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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Attachmate OWNS Opensuse and most of the remnants of Novell, so its not exactly a third party.

It's still an overseas company which doesn't need my personal data for me filing a bug-report.

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Odd that you put your email on a mailing list that gets echoed all over the world, but not on a bug reporting tool.

I wrote ADDRESS, not email-address. The registrations requires full personal data, street address, phone number, job title, etc. All mandatory fields. Maybe you should verify the process and precisely read what I wrote before writing condescending replies.

Maybe you should consider your options before announcing your condescension. You are nowhere required to provide a *correct* address, ..., except for an email address to receive notification. Last time I checked, mandatory ment an entry was required, not an *accurate* entry.

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If you are going to be that worried about sharing an email address while still running FREE software you might just sign up for a free email address to use just for that purpose.

If you check my list address, you see, that it's a dedicated address and it only accepts mails from this list. Every mailing list and every registration anywhere gets it's own dedicated email-address on my server.

lbdbq: 3 matches lists@home.gofferje.net Stefan Gofferje lists-opensuse@home.gofferje.net Stefan Gofferje stefan.gofferje@gmx.de Stefan Gofferje You have a web site: stefan.gofferje.net .... Appears your paranoia is selectable when convenient. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

El 07/11/13 00:29, Carlos E. R. escribió:

Many people complain because of this, an many turn away and do not register. This is a known fact.

It is my belief that this is not the kind of bug reporter we want to hear about at all. -- "Judging by their response, the meanest thing you can do to people on the Internet is to give them really good software for free". - Anil Dash -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

El 07/11/13 00:29, Carlos E. R. escribió:

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Many people complain because of this, an many turn away and do not register. This is a known fact.

It is my belief that this is not the kind of bug reporter we want to hear about at all.

I find it worrying that some people were suggesting that giving deliberate lies in response to questions was normal behaviour, as opposed to trying to fix the software to ask reasonable questions. I find the notion that we should be screening open source community participants on the basis of the strength of their moral principles even more worrying. World governance is in enough trouble as it is; we need all the honesty we can get (Apologies for the OT opinion). Cheers, Dave PS The bizarre subject is because Cristian's email is blacklisted at URIBL. I let him know, but have seen no acknowledgment or change. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

URIBL lists domains, afaik - which one was hit?

cristianrodriguez.net FWIW, zeniv.linux.org.uk is also blacklisted. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Dave Howorth [11-07-13 06:40]:

Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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El 07/11/13 00:29, Carlos E. R. escribió:

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Many people complain because of this, an many turn away and do not register. This is a known fact.

It is my belief that this is not the kind of bug reporter we want to hear about at all.

I find it worrying that some people were suggesting that giving deliberate lies in response to questions was normal behaviour, as opposed to trying to fix the software to ask reasonable questions.

That avenue has been attempted and there is supposed to be a link available where that information is not required but is not widely known. If one desires to make a bug report and does not want to divuldge personal information, why would it be better to make the bug report be as much later as obtaining a change in the requirements would unlikely take? Be real, the bug reports are desired more than the accuracy of the information requested to obtain sales promotion data. The logon data appears little changed from what I remember of the earlier Novell site.

I find the notion that we should be screening open source community participants on the basis of the strength of their moral principles even more worrying.

World governance is in enough trouble as it is; we need all the honesty we can get (Apologies for the OT opinion).

A noble outlook, .....

PS The bizarre subject is because Cristian's email is blacklisted at URIBL. I let him know, but have seen no acknowledgment or change.

Ah, so one case can be justified where another cannot. You contradict your own standing by providing a "deliverate lie" in the Subject: ..... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2013-11-07 at 11:38 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:

I find it worrying that some people were suggesting that giving deliberate lies in response to questions was normal behaviour, as opposed to trying to fix the software to ask reasonable questions.

That is Novell's own fault.

I find the notion that we should be screening open source community participants on the basis of the strength of their moral principles even more worrying.

Well, I don't think that asking for a postal address or phone is any moral screening. If there were means of ensuring that reporters are honest beforehand, that would be nice. The real solution was that given by Marcus Meissner. I knew about it, but I failed to find the link. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJ9HO4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XDPgCfVkRilm+3FDFM4fUmfs9IqjcB xUMAoIUm2cVXWMR2JPfJE1lw26GtMaVP =rKcW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/06/2013 09:33 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Maybe you should consider your options before announcing your condescension.

You are nowhere required to provide a *correct* address, ..., except for an email address to receive notification. Last time I checked, mandatory ment an entry was required, not an *accurate* entry.

That doesn't make it right of Attachmate to demand this data in the first place. For a bug report for an Open Source community project, no personal data is neccessary. And having to lie just for filing a bug report is absurd!

lbdbq: 3 matches lists@home.gofferje.net Stefan Gofferje lists-opensuse@home.gofferje.net Stefan Gofferje stefan.gofferje@gmx.de Stefan Gofferje

You have a web site: stefan.gofferje.net ....

Appears your paranoia is selectable when convenient.

What has not wanting to give out my home address and telephone number to some arbitrary company, which doesn't need to know, have to do with paranoia? And what has the fact that I have email-addresses and a website to do with that? That smells a bit like somebody is making up fake arguments to distract from Attachmate's hunger for data - which is not really astonishing, considering that they offer among others "Enterprise fraud management", so they probably try to get people's data any way they can... -S -- (o_ Stefan Gofferje | SCLT, MCP, CCSA //\ Reg'd Linux User #247167 | VCP #2263 V_/_ Heckler & Koch - the original point and click interface -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 08:16:53PM +0200, Stefan Gofferje wrote:

On 11/06/2013 04:16 PM, Stefan Gofferje wrote:

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=> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64501

If anyone from the Opensuse team reads here - on my bug report on kernel.org was commented

--- Comment #1 from Greg Kroah-Hartman --- Please file a bug in your distro's bugzilla, not here, as there's nothing we can do with a vendor-specific kernel, especially one tainted with closed source kernel modules.

I checked the Opensuse bugtracker but it requires a full registration with Novell through a third-party company (Attachmate Group) and I am not in the habit of broadcasting my address and phone no. on the net, surely not to some service provider overseas, so from my side, there will be no bug report in the Opensuse Bugzilla.

Stefan, you can create an account with just your name, country and email address if you go to: http://en.opensuse.org/ Click Sign Up (upper right corner) Or go directly to: https://secure-www.novell.com/selfreg/jsp/createOpenSuseAccount.jsp This is the "openSUSE account sign up". This takes you to a way less strict register form than the one on Bugzilla, but will create an account on the same servers. With this account you can login to Bugzilla. (And the others reading this, please just give this advice to everyone if you see it and do not unnecessary discuss it as in the rest of thread. ) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Marcus, On 11/07/2013 02:20 PM, Marcus Meissner wrote:

Stefan, you can create an account with just your name, country and email address if you go to: http://en.opensuse.org/ Click Sign Up (upper right corner)

Or go directly to: https://secure-www.novell.com/selfreg/jsp/createOpenSuseAccount.jsp This is the "openSUSE account sign up".

This takes you to a way less strict register form than the one on Bugzilla, but will create an account on the same servers.

With this account you can login to Bugzilla.

Thanks you for your objective and professional reply! I will register ASAP. -S PS: Nice to see an old "Susean" still around :). -- (o_ Stefan Gofferje | SCLT, MCP, CCSA //\ Reg'd Linux User #247167 | VCP #2263 V_/_ Heckler & Koch - the original point and click interface