On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

24.12.2015 23:20, John Andersen пишет:

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On 12/24/2015 12:01 PM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:

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As Carlos never caused me any harm and helped me on several occasions I would also second his reinstatement at the first possible occasion. This would allow him to continue his useful contribution. And if such a measure (ban) wants to be useful, it can only be it through its very time limitless. Isn't it? Otherwise we would send all people sooner or later for "renewal" as in 1976's "Logan's run".

Immediate reinstatement would be my vote. Nothing less.

I agree.

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On 25/12/15 10:11, jdd wrote:

Le 24/12/2015 22:09, Greg Freemyer a écrit :

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On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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24.12.2015 23:20, John Andersen пишет:

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Immediate reinstatement would be my vote. Nothing less.

I agree.

+1

Greg, are you not a board member? what did the board do in this story?

thanks jdd

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+ at least 1 (more if possible) On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

24.12.2015 23:20, John Andersen пишет:

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On 12/24/2015 12:01 PM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:

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As Carlos never caused me any harm and helped me on several occasions I would also second his reinstatement at the first possible occasion. This would allow him to continue his useful contribution. And if such a measure (ban) wants to be useful, it can only be it through its very time limitless. Isn't it? Otherwise we would send all people sooner or later for "renewal" as in 1976's "Logan's run".

Immediate reinstatement would be my vote. Nothing less.

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On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Immediate reinstatement would be my vote. Nothing less.

I agree.

And I am adding my name to the list of many others who also agree.

Me too. Carlos is one of the most helpful members of OpenSuse community. -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 09:28:24PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 25/12/15 07:20, John Andersen wrote:

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On 12/24/2015 12:01 PM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:

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As Carlos never caused me any harm and helped me on several occasions I would also second his reinstatement at the first possible occasion. This would allow him to continue his useful contribution. And if such a measure (ban) wants to be useful, it can only be it through its very time limitless. Isn't it? Otherwise we would send all people sooner or later for "renewal" as in 1976's "Logan's run". Immediate reinstatement would be my vote. Nothing less.

Further, to remove _the most disruptive member of this list_, I suggest Mr Brown serve the rest of Carlos's sentence and be banned from the lists (all of them) till mid February.

What the hell is the Board doing policing a "Community List" anyway, other than putting the lie to the claim that Opensuse is a "community distro"? We all know how to run a plonk file, we don't need any self appointed nanny to do it for us.

Just a heads-up re this matter.

Richard posted his response in this forum with copy going to the Board. When I posted my response I sent it to *ALL* which meant that a copy went to the Board.

If people want Carlos re-instated then may I suggest that a copy of the comments posted here be sent to the Board so that they are aware of the situation.

This is not an issue of wanting Carlos back or not as much as evluation of the creditibility and effectiviness of the management of this list. To ban your most important and beloved asset of a mailing list because of hurt feelings is STUPID. You just don't do things like this and the Board needs to make a public agology to the user base. Why would Carlos come back? He can switch to Arch and new lose a beat. Ruben

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On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 07:25:10PM +0100, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

Responding to several official complains from various community members. Board[1] is elected by the community and one of it's functions is to help resolve conflicts.

Your doing a bang up job of it as well. sigh... this is so deeply wrong on so many levels that it triggers depressive feelings in me. How does this happen? What kind of newspeak world allows this to happen?

So I don't see where you see any conflict in board responding to complains.

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On 12/25/2015 04:35 PM, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

World where people like to listen to arguments

No more like a world where an IDIOT would ban Carlos because he threatened their penis size. But then again, this is a day where thousands of words have been used to prove to half a world that we need to spread cheer because a bunch of anti-semetic Italian pagans find peace in the murder of a Jew.. So if nothing than that 30 years listening to mailing list flame baiting trolls can teach you, its that you can justify anything with enough words. Remember the pen is mightier than the sword... as long as a gun is not to your you head. Ruben -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 11:23:00PM +0100, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

Ruben Safir - 17:03 25.12.15 wrote:

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On 12/25/2015 04:35 PM, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

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World where people like to listen to arguments

That doesn't excuse your punk behavior

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No more like a world where an IDIOT would ban Carlos because he threatened their penis size.

But then again, this is a day where thousands of words have been used to prove to half a world that we need to spread cheer because a bunch of anti-semetic Italian pagans find peace in the murder of a Jew..

So if nothing than that 30 years listening to mailing list flame baiting trolls can teach you, its that you can justify anything with enough words.

As you are trying to show us with your practical example right now :-) So yep, I'll apply my troll knowledge and will stop feeding troll, so no more replies to you ;-)

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On 12/25/2015 04:03 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

But then again, this is a day where thousands of words have been used to prove to half a world that we need to spread cheer because a bunch of anti-semetic Italian pagans find peace in the murder of a Jew.

Not to put to fine a point on it but................... Pilot found no fault with Jesus and was willing to turn him loose. He gave the Israelis the choice of Jesus or a murderer. The Israelis chose a murderer to go free. The Romans carried out the wishes of the Israelis. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 26/12/15 09:51, Ruben Safir wrote:

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 04:44:00PM -0600, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 12/25/2015 04:03 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

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But then again, this is a day where thousands of words have been used to prove to half a world that we need to spread cheer because a bunch of anti-semetic Italian pagans find peace in the murder of a Jew. Not to put to fine a point on it but...................

Pilot found no fault with Jesus and was willing to turn him loose. He gave the Israelis the choice of Jesus or a murderer. The Israelis chose a murderer to go free. The Romans carried out the wishes of the Israelis.

:)

According to the twisted words your book,

Regrettably this cannot go unchallenged on the basis that you are simply throwing words around without anything of substance to justify your ramblings. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia: In all four gospel accounts Pilate lobbies for Jesus to be spared his eventual fate of execution, and acquiesces only when the crowd refuses to relent. He thus seeks to avoid personal responsibility for the death of Jesus. In the Gospel of Matthew, Pilate washes his hands to show that he is not responsible for the execution of Jesus and reluctantly sends him to his death.[7] The Gospel of Mark, depicting Jesus as innocent of plotting against the Roman Empire, portrays Pilate as reluctant to execute him.[7] In the Gospel of Luke, Pilate not only agrees that Jesus did not conspire against Rome, but Herod Antipas, the tetrarch of Galilee, also finds nothing treasonable in Jesus' actions.[7] In the Gospel of John, Pilate states "I find no guilt in him [Jesus]," and he asks the Jews if Jesus should be released from custody.[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate Now, I am not saying that the Wikipedia is something to totally accept as being the truth and nothing but the truth but it does state that there are four (4) 'books' which state what Billie wrote. (But I cannot help wondering how long it will be before this reference will be edited to remove it because it does not support what you regard as your authoritative record of the event.)

and it is a clear example as to why endless arguing a point by piling on more and more words suffer to confuse more often than to inform.

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On 26/12/15 16:38, listreader wrote:

On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:32:01 +1100 Basil Chupin wrote:

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(But I cannot help wondering how long it will be before this reference will be edited to remove it because it does not support what you regard as your authoritative record of the event.)

Any additional modern-day "edits" would make not an iota of difference in the veracity of this very tall tale. The entire story should now be considered a complete fantasy as so many "edits" have been made over the centuries that any truths in the original have long been obliterated.

As for this tale blaming the Jews (or the "Israelis" as Billie says) for the supposed event, remember that the protagonists of this tale, the citizens of Judea, were all Roman subjects under Roman rule, as was the victim. So, why do you not blame modern Italians - the direct descendants of the Roman Empire - for the supposed event? Hmmm?

While your argument "does not compute" further pursuit of it here only detracts from what this thread (and another) is all about. The appropriate place for any discussion re this Jews/Judea/Romans/et al is in the openSUSE-offtopic forum.

And give Ruben some space. He blew up about something that was important to him - the banning of Carlos - and like any of us might do in that same situation, he babbled some things that had no actual relation to the situation he was concerned about. Understandable.

Yes, understandable -- upto a point.

But you, Basil, you side with Richard against Carlos?

But you, Ralph, appear to have joined the discussion at a very late stage and have not been keeping up with events. Have you? Unfortunately we have in our midst a thread-spoiler with the address of stakanov@freenet.de whose mail client, freenetMail, have absolutely NO idea about how to keep messages threaded :-) . (Hi there 'stakanov' :-) .) As a result you will need to go back a bit to a thread called "Re: Scan application question: [Solved], dated 18/12, by stakanov@freenet.de and follow that thru. BUT, but you will also need to read another thread which was spawned (?spawned) from the above called "Re: Moderation on Mailing List". Between these two (?or three -- it's damn confusing when a mailer doesn't do threading correctly! :-( -- which contain all the posts -- excluding any privates ones of course -- on this matter. After you have read all the posts you may then make up your own mind where I stand.

Ralph

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On 12/25/2015 11:32 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

Now, I am not saying that the Wikipedia is something to totally accept as being the truth and nothing but the truth but it does state that there are four (4) 'books' which state what Billie wrote.

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On 26/12/15 13:37, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 12/26/2015 08:23 AM, James Knott wrote:

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Let's not forget the fact that religion, all religion, is delusion.

Ummm, Id rather say that it's a 'social construct".

Just like this list is.

Complete with Dogma, supplicants, high priests and heretics.

Anton Please, please can we not go there. This is not the place. FWIW I am not religious either and most likely agree with you. There are more than enough places do discuss all of that. M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/25/2015 11:32 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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According to the twisted words your book, Regrettably this cannot go unchallenged on the basis that you are simply throwing words around without anything of substance to justify your ramblings.

HAPPILY, you proved my point that ANY truth, even the most obvious facts, can be twisted and justified, with enough hangering, words and myth making, even one as such obvious anti-semetic smears as this one under discussion can in the end have truth buried under calmly stated lies. I clap happily as you make my point for me, and reiterate that long drawn out discussion of edited details, and facts can no better justify this banning of Carlos than any more than the idea that the Roman killing of a Jew is the foundation for world peace which has likewise been continued by suppressing opposition and repeating lies. Very British of You Richard Brown. Ruben -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:44:00 -0600 Billie Walsh wrote:

On 12/25/2015 04:03 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

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But then again, this is a day where thousands of words have been used to prove to half a world that we need to spread cheer because a bunch of anti-semetic Italian pagans find peace in the murder of a Jew.

Not to put to fine a point on it but...................

Pilot found no fault with Jesus and was willing to turn him loose. He gave the Israelis the choice of Jesus or a murderer. The Israelis chose a murderer to go free. The Romans carried out the wishes of the Israelis.

Your 'fine point' is way off point. There was no Israel (or Israelis) in that time period. The earlier Kingdom of Israel was long gone and a persistent nation by that name did not reappear until the 20th century. The Jewish Nation was Judea, and during Jesus' lifetime it was the Roman Province of Judea. Yes, I know it says 'Israel' in your modern PC-edited English-language version of the Gospels and such, but your book is (gasp!) wrong. Ralph -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/25/2015 04:35 PM, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

diverse community based on mutual respect

BTW - diverse community is not worth shit without Carlos on this list and mutual respect is bullshit. Respect is earned, not given. Carlos earned his respect. You, however, have not. Ruben -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:35:16PM +0100, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

Ruben Safir - 15:46 25.12.15 wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 07:25:10PM +0100, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

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Responding to several official complains from various community members. Board[1] is elected by the community and one of it's functions is to help resolve conflicts.

Your doing a bang up job of it as well.

sigh... this is so deeply wrong on so many levels that it triggers depressive feelings in me.

How does this happen?

What kind of newspeak world allows this to happen?

World where people like to listen to arguments and address problems in a constructive and open way. Where people believe that a diverse community based on mutual respect is the base for a creative and productive environment enabling the project to be truly successful. Where people don't tolerate social discrimination and aim at creating an environment where people feel accepted and safe from offense.

What makes us safe from you? Learn this cnf procmail If you don't know how to use it, Carlos might help you, after to get on your hands and knees and beg him Intolorant facist bastands ... YES - I said your an intolorant facist bastard...and I don't think facist bastards should find suse mailings lists a safe place to ply their censorship.. -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

God help us all...

I'm reading all of this as uninterested party (no idea who this Carlos person is that everyone seems so in love with), but I really don't understand what are you trying to achieve by all this drama, informational noise and personal attacks? Is there some goal behind all of that? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/31/2015 1:14 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

Stanislav Baiduzhyi wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

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God help us all...

I'm reading all of this as uninterested party (no idea who this Carlos person is that everyone seems so in love with),

If you've been following this list, you can't possibly have missed him.

I know I'm late to the game, been away on xmas hols, but why don't all of us/those who want Carlos' ban revoked simply write to the board and request it?

mailto:board@opensuse.org?subject=please%20reinstate%20carlos

Happy New Year everyone!

/Per

The board is so dug in now, it would take a howitzer to dislodge them. They are out to prove a point, and they are not unaware of all the postings in this forum. You want action, Start with this guy: http://www.microfocus.com/about/at-a-glance/management/stephenmurdoch.aspx or Write to these guys: http://www.microfocus.com/about/at-a-glance/directors.aspx They should know what a team of petty half-wits they have inherited. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 25 Dec 2015 17:26:18 Ruben Safir wrote:

God help us all...

you'd have as much chance of Harry Potter helping (maybe he's on the list).... :o)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Jan 04 Challenges in 2015

English, openSUSE

by Michal Hrušecký

Champagne Showers by Merlin2525You might have noticed that I decided to run for the openSUSE Board. And as we shortly have a new year and everybody is evaluating the past and the future, I will do the similar, mainly focusing on few of the challenges that I see laying in front of the openSUSE Board in 2015. SUSE/openSUSE relation

I heard it being mentioned several times over and over. SUSE and openSUSE are two different things. But at the same time, they are pretty close. Close enough to be confusing. We have similar yet slightly distinct branding. Similar yet slightly distinct name and we have a clear overlap in terms of contributors. For people inside the project, it is easy to distinguish the entities. For people outside, not so much.

There was a nice talk by Zvezdana and Kent on openSUSE Conference about our branding. Part of the talk and one thing that people notice about openSUSE and SUSE is our logo. SUSE keeps updating it and it’s getting different over the time. On the other hand openSUSE logo stays the same. One open question from the talk was how to fix it. Either start diverging with our branding or get closer together. I know this is mainly question for the artwork team, but as will affect all of us, there should be broad discussion and as it involves logo and trademark, there need to be SUSE and board involved.

Apart from the logo/branding, there is also a technical aspect of the relation. We all say that openSUSE is the technical upstream of SLE. Things are being developed and tested in openSUSE and then adopted by SLE. But sometimes it is vice versa, as SUSE needs to develop some feature for SLE or one of it’s service packs and push it there. And as SLE and openSUSE schedules are unrelated, sometimes they can’t push it in openSUSE first. Even after the release openSUSE and SLE starts diverging and come together once in five years or so when it is a time to release a new SLE. It’s kinda shame, that we can’t help each other more often. It would be great to get SLE and openSUSE closer together in mutually beneficial way. But this is not going to be an easy nor fast discussion, again involving quite some teams/people. And I believe the Board should act as mediator/initiator in this discussion as well. On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:35:16PM +0100, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

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Ruben Safir - 15:46 25.12.15 wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 07:25:10PM +0100, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

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Responding to several official complains from various community members. Board[1] is elected by the community and one of it's functions is to help resolve conflicts.

Your doing a bang up job of it as well.

sigh... this is so deeply wrong on so many levels that it triggers depressive feelings in me.

How does this happen?

What kind of newspeak world allows this to happen?

World where people like to listen to arguments and address problems in a constructive and open way. Where people believe that a diverse community based on mutual respect is the base for a creative and productive environment enabling the project to be truly successful. Where people don't tolerate social discrimination and aim at creating an environment where people feel accepted and safe from offense.

To cite our guiding principles[1]

btw. Newspeak[2] is something else ;-)

[1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Guiding_principles [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

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It was stated that Carlos was disruptive on the development/factory list? If so, what bearing does that have on his membership in this list? Perhaps he was disruptive and perhaps he deserved to be banned from whatever list he committed the transgression on but I fail to see the logic of banning him from this list. On 12/25/2015 04:26 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 25/12/2015 22:35, Michal Hrusecky a écrit :

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World where people like to listen to arguments and address problems in a

I could never see any post in witch Carlos have been disruptive. He himself say there was one and he apologies.

but may these mails where removed from archives?

if not, give a link, please, thanks

jdd

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Le 25/12/2015 23:58, Ruben Safir a écrit :

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 11:26:35PM +0100, jdd wrote:

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Le 25/12/2015 22:35, Michal Hrusecky a écrit :

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World where people like to listen to arguments and address problems in a

I could never see any post in witch Carlos

Holy Cow, Carlos was also a Witch!

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

Yup, I agree.

Per, you are taking chances :-(. This (answering "Yup, I agree") is one of the crimes committed by Carlos, according to developers mailing list administrator. -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org