[opensuse] Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update

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stakanov＠freenet.de

27 Nov 2016 27 Nov '16

13:53

The machine has several repos aktivated (that are as it seems available in their 42.2 version). It has Nivida proprietary driver and is 64 bit. Is it sufficient to run zypper dup with all corresponding repos changed to have a soft migration experience? Where do I run it? In a window or in tty1? Before restarting, should I run manually mkinitrd or should this be automatic after install? Thank you in advance. --- Die Bundesliga hat begonnen! Alle Tore, alle Ergebnisse, alle News: Pocket Liga jetzt im https://app.adjust.com/dpynzd oder https://app.adjust.com/dpynzd herunterladen - kostenlos! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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pit

3 Dec 3 Dec

12:38

stakanov@freenet.de wrote:

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The machine has several repos aktivated (that are as it seems available in their 42.2 version). It has Nivida proprietary driver and is 64 bit.

Is it sufficient to run zypper dup with all corresponding repos changed to have a soft migration experience? Where do I run it? In a window or in tty1? Before restarting, should I run manually mkinitrd or should this be automatic after install? Thank you in advance.

Just did this with my HTPC. The nvidia stuff went perfectly w/o trouble, i.e., no additional mkinitrd/dracut stuff needed, but a lot of the multimedia stuff was switched back from packman to openSUSE repos - guess they had lower version numbers in packman? After running an additional 'zypper dup -r packman-essential -r packman-multimedia' (with careful check what exactly will be switched) the computer is running as fine as before :) I ran it in a remote ssh session. Doesn't really matter. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:40

On 2016-12-03 13:38, pit wrote:

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Just did this with my HTPC. The nvidia stuff went perfectly w/o trouble, i.e., no additional mkinitrd/dracut stuff needed, but a lot of the multimedia stuff was switched back from packman to openSUSE repos - guess they had lower version numbers in packman?

Try, next time: zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change

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I ran it in a remote ssh session. Doesn't really matter.

a bit risky... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

pit

6 Jan 6 Jan

22:14

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-12-03 13:38, pit wrote:

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Just did this with my HTPC. The nvidia stuff went perfectly w/o trouble, i.e., no additional mkinitrd/dracut stuff needed, but a lot of the multimedia stuff was switched back from packman to openSUSE repos - guess they had lower version numbers in packman?

Try, next time:

zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change

Amazing, where did you get this from? It's not even in the manpage... But yes, that indeed works much smoother, I just tried it with another upgrade.

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I ran it in a remote ssh session. Doesn't really matter.

a bit risky...

Not really, as long as the machine is in doubt reachable with STMP: Simple Turnschuh Management Protocol (for non-germans: Turnschuh = sports shoe; i.e., run over there to fix things...) It's just that the respective machines don't have monitor/keyboard connected, and I'm a quite lazy person :D Thanks again, Pit -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

7 Jan 7 Jan

01:49

On 2017-01-06 23:14, pit wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-12-03 13:38, pit wrote:

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Just did this with my HTPC. The nvidia stuff went perfectly w/o trouble, i.e., no additional mkinitrd/dracut stuff needed, but a lot of the multimedia stuff was switched back from packman to openSUSE repos - guess they had lower version numbers in packman?

Try, next time:

zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change

Amazing, where did you get this from? It's not even in the manpage...

No? I didn't look, I thought it was. I knew about it because some one mentioned it here, about when it had been invented and was experimental. There has been much recent talk about that switch in the factory mail list. There is also an option in the config file to make it the default. Huh, yes, it is in man zypper: --[no-]allow-vendor-change Whether to allow changing the vendor of installed resolvables [zypp.conf:solver.dupAllowVendorChange]. Setting this to no might be useful if you do not want packages from foreign repos being dup’ed to the distributions version (or vice versa).

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But yes, that indeed works much smoother, I just tried it with another upgrade.

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I ran it in a remote ssh session. Doesn't really matter.

a bit risky...

Not really, as long as the machine is in doubt reachable with STMP: Simple Turnschuh Management Protocol (for non-germans: Turnschuh = sports shoe; i.e., run over there to fix things...)

LOL.

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It's just that the respective machines don't have monitor/keyboard connected, and I'm a quite lazy person :D

Yes, just the same way I'm doing maintenance now of my laptop in the sitting room :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

stakanov

10:00

In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 02:49:32, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:

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On 2017-01-06 23:14, pit wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-12-03 13:38, pit wrote:

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Just did this with my HTPC. The nvidia stuff went perfectly w/o trouble, i.e., no additional mkinitrd/dracut stuff needed, but a lot of the multimedia stuff was switched back from packman to openSUSE repos - guess they had lower version numbers in packman?

Try, next time:

zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change

Amazing, where did you get this from? It's not even in the manpage...

No? I didn't look, I thought it was.

I knew about it because some one mentioned it here, about when it had been invented and was experimental. There has been much recent talk about that switch in the factory mail list. There is also an option in the config file to make it the default.

Huh, yes, it is in man zypper:

--[no-]allow-vendor-change Whether to allow changing the vendor of installed resolvables [zypp.conf:solver.dupAllowVendorChange]. Setting this to no might be useful if you do not want packages from foreign repos being dup’ed to the distributions version (or vice versa).

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But yes, that indeed works much smoother, I just tried it with another upgrade.

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I ran it in a remote ssh session. Doesn't really matter.

a bit risky...

Not really, as long as the machine is in doubt reachable with STMP: Simple Turnschuh Management Protocol (for non-germans: Turnschuh = sports shoe; i.e., run over there to fix things...)

LOL.

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It's just that the respective machines don't have monitor/keyboard connected, and I'm a quite lazy person :D

Yes, just the same way I'm doing maintenance now of my laptop in the sitting room :-)

As I migrated back from 42.2 to 42.1 it is working also the other way round. "Dangerous repos" like security and others that may change vendor will however be well served by this zypper command. Once one does this, that is migrating back, one has (provided that you use pop and PIM4) a working desktop again. I allow myself the comment that it is quite interesting that we state "KDEPIM4 has been ported a last time to 42.2 for compatibility reasons" - release notes - but when you install it is not working and if you file a bug on this it is immediately closed down with "won't fix" - out of scope - while referring to....the release notes, as to say: we know that KDEPIM4 is not working but we provide it. Alibi? We will see whether in 6 month KDEPIM5 is working when they will stop support for the finally working 42.1. Weired attitude. So: if you work with 42.1 and have to change to 42..2: don't do it if you want KDEPIM4, it does not work as expected and you will be forced to change. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

11:02

stakanov wrote:

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I allow myself the comment that it is quite interesting that we state "KDEPIM4 has been ported a last time to 42.2 for compatibility reasons" - release notes - but when you install it is not working and if you file a bug on this it is immediately closed down with "won't fix" - out of scope - while referring to....the release notes, as to say: we know that KDEPIM4 is not working but we provide it.

I think I had to revert to kdepim4 because I needed knode, I don't know how much of kdepim4 is being used by that, but it works for me. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-5.5°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

stakanov

11:10

New subject: [opensuse] Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update - 42.2 vs 42.1 KDEPIM4 use

In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:02:07, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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I allow myself the comment that it is quite interesting that we state "KDEPIM4 has been ported a last time to 42.2 for compatibility reasons" - release notes - but when you install it is not working and if you file a bug on this it is immediately closed down with "won't fix" - out of scope - while referring to....the release notes, as to say: we know that KDEPIM4 is not working but we provide it.

I think I had to revert to kdepim4 because I needed knode, I don't know how much of kdepim4 is being used by that, but it works for me.

On 42.2? I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter what. I tried to create a new user and import the archives from fresh. Only to see the same, not able to start akonadi. You have to close kontact4, akonadictl stop, akonadictl fsck, akonadictl start and restart now Kontact, and this every(!) time you start kontakt. Otherwise your resources are shown "offline". Fact is: if I could do this in automatic, ridiculous or not, it would grant the use of KDEPIM4 up to EOL of 42.2 (and this would be an asset). The crashing sddm I could substitute it with e.g. xdm and then the system would be working. It is just that I do not know how to Start KDEPIM4 and shut it down, then do all this and then start it up again with a script. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

11:32

New subject: [opensuse] Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update - 42.2 vs 42.1 KDEPIM4 use

stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:02:07, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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I allow myself the comment that it is quite interesting that we state "KDEPIM4 has been ported a last time to 42.2 for compatibility reasons" - release notes - but when you install it is not working and if you file a bug on this it is immediately closed down with "won't fix" - out of scope - while referring to....the release notes, as to say: we know that KDEPIM4 is not working but we provide it.

I think I had to revert to kdepim4 because I needed knode, I don't know how much of kdepim4 is being used by that, but it works for me.

On 42.2?

Yep.

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I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter what. I tried to create a new user and import the archives from fresh. Only to see the same, not able to start akonadi.

I don't see akonadi running on my system either. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-5.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

stakanov

11:36

New subject: [opensuse] Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update - 42.2 vs 42.1 KDEPIM4 use

In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:32:53, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:02:07, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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I allow myself the comment that it is quite interesting that we state "KDEPIM4 has been ported a last time to 42.2 for compatibility reasons" - release notes - but when you install it is not working and if you file a bug on this it is immediately closed down with "won't fix" - out of scope - while referring to....the release notes, as to say: we know that KDEPIM4 is not working but we provide it.

I think I had to revert to kdepim4 because I needed knode, I don't know how much of kdepim4 is being used by that, but it works for me.

On 42.2?

Yep.

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I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter what. I tried to create a new user and import the archives from fresh. Only to see the same, not able to start akonadi.

I don't see akonadi running on my system either.

So the question would be: is the automatic archiving that I did set also possible without running akonadi. Because new mails are put into the folders, filters work. If the archiving works I do not give a damn about folders being red and fake "offline" messages. Important is not to loose ones mail in the archiving process. Who could answer this? Maybe Luca Beltrame? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

12:25

New subject: [opensuse] Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update - 42.2 vs 42.1 KDEPIM4 use

stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:32:53, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:02:07, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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I allow myself the comment that it is quite interesting that we state "KDEPIM4 has been ported a last time to 42.2 for compatibility reasons" - release notes - but when you install it is not working and if you file a bug on this it is immediately closed down with "won't fix" - out of scope - while referring to....the release notes, as to say: we know that KDEPIM4 is not working but we provide it.

I think I had to revert to kdepim4 because I needed knode, I don't know how much of kdepim4 is being used by that, but it works for me.

On 42.2?

Yep.

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I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter what. I tried to create a new user and import the archives from fresh. Only to see the same, not able to start akonadi.

I don't see akonadi running on my system either.

Actually, when I started kontact, akonadi was started: 25462 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_control 25465 ? Sl 0:00 \_ akonadiserver 25537 ? Sl 0:02 | \_ /usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/home/per/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf --datadir=/home/per/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ --socket=/tmp/akonadi-per.IcHqaA/mysql.socket 25576 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent 25577 ? SN 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_baloo_indexer --identifier akonadi_baloo_indexer 25578 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent --identifier akonadi_maildispatcher_agent 25579 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent --identifier akonadi_migration_agent 25597 ? Sl 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_agent_launcher akonadi_maildir_resource akonadi_maildir_resource_0 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-4.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

stakanov

13:51

New subject: [opensuse] Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update - 42.2 vs 42.1 KDEPIM4 use

In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 13:25:14, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:32:53, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:02:07, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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I allow myself the comment that it is quite interesting that we state "KDEPIM4 has been ported a last time to 42.2 for compatibility reasons" - release notes - but when you install it is not working and if you file a bug on this it is immediately closed down with "won't fix" - out of scope - while referring to....the release notes, as to say: we know that KDEPIM4 is not working but we provide it.

I think I had to revert to kdepim4 because I needed knode, I don't know how much of kdepim4 is being used by that, but it works for me.

On 42.2?

Yep.

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I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter what. I tried to create a new user and import the archives from fresh. Only to see the same, not able to start akonadi.

I don't see akonadi running on my system either.

Actually, when I started kontact, akonadi was started:

25462 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_control 25465 ? Sl 0:00 \_ akonadiserver 25537 ? Sl 0:02 | \_ /usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/home/per/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf --datadir=/home/per/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ --socket=/tmp/akonadi-per.IcHqaA/mysql.socket 25576 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent 25577 ? SN 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_baloo_indexer --identifier akonadi_baloo_indexer 25578 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent --identifier akonadi_maildispatcher_agent 25579 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent --identifier akonadi_migration_agent 25597 ? Sl 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_agent_launcher akonadi_maildir_resource akonadi_maildir_resource_0

Which is not so surprising. Because otherwise Kontact would not complain about damaged mailresources being offline. The fact is, when you do all what I say, with 42.2 I get a working Kontact .... for that session only. After every reboot you have to do the same again.... (and it is a notebook). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

13:56

New subject: [opensuse] Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update - 42.2 vs 42.1 KDEPIM4 use

stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 13:25:14, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:32:53, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter what. I tried to create a new user and import the archives from fresh. Only to see the same, not able to start akonadi.

I don't see akonadi running on my system either.

Actually, when I started kontact, akonadi was started:

25462 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_control 25465 ? Sl 0:00 \_ akonadiserver 25537 ? Sl 0:02 | \_ /usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/home/per/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf --datadir=/home/per/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ --socket=/tmp/akonadi-per.IcHqaA/mysql.socket 25576 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent 25577 ? SN 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_baloo_indexer --identifier akonadi_baloo_indexer 25578 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent --identifier akonadi_maildispatcher_agent 25579 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent --identifier akonadi_migration_agent 25597 ? Sl 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_agent_launcher akonadi_maildir_resource akonadi_maildir_resource_0

Which is not so surprising. Because otherwise Kontact would not complain about damaged mailresources being offline. The fact is, when you do all what I say, with 42.2 I get a working Kontact .... for that session only. After every reboot you have to do the same again.... (and it is a notebook).

You said "I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter what", I just wanted to say that "akonadi starts fine here". Thus we can deduce it is not an akonadi problem, but something else. So what else do you do (that prevents akonadi from starting) ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-4.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

stakanov

14:21

New subject: [opensuse] Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update - 42.2 vs 42.1 KDEPIM4 use

In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 14:56:20, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 13:25:14, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:32:53, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter what. I tried to create a new user and import the archives from fresh. Only to see the same, not able to start akonadi.

I don't see akonadi running on my system either.

Actually, when I started kontact, akonadi was started:

25462 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_control 25465 ? Sl 0:00 \_ akonadiserver 25537 ? Sl 0:02 | \_ /usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/home/per/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf --datadir=/home/per/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ --socket=/tmp/akonadi-per.IcHqaA/mysql.socket 25576 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent 25577 ? SN 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_baloo_indexer --identifier akonadi_baloo_indexer 25578 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent --identifier akonadi_maildispatcher_agent 25579 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent --identifier akonadi_migration_agent 25597 ? Sl 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_agent_launcher akonadi_maildir_resource akonadi_maildir_resource_0

Which is not so surprising. Because otherwise Kontact would not complain about damaged mailresources being offline. The fact is, when you do all what I say, with 42.2 I get a working Kontact .... for that session only. After every reboot you have to do the same again.... (and it is a notebook).

You said "I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter what", I just wanted to say that "akonadi starts fine here". Thus we can deduce it is not an akonadi problem, but something else. So what else do you do (that prevents akonadi from starting) ?

It seems it crashes: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1017222. Now, what I do not know, if I would migrate all to kmail5.... and it does not work....can i still migrate back to 42.1? Because if I am then crashing the whole OS to do a favor to who "just wanted to easy transition"...pfff. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

16:53

New subject: [opensuse] Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update - 42.2 vs 42.1 KDEPIM4 use

stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 14:56:20, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 13:25:14, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote:

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In data sabato 7 gennaio 2017 12:32:53, Per Jessen ha scritto:

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stakanov wrote: > I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter > what. I tried to create a new user and import the archives > from fresh. Only to see the same, not able to start akonadi.

I don't see akonadi running on my system either.

Actually, when I started kontact, akonadi was started:

25462 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_control 25465 ? Sl 0:00 \_ akonadiserver 25537 ? Sl 0:02 | \_ /usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/home/per/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf --datadir=/home/per/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ --socket=/tmp/akonadi-per.IcHqaA/mysql.socket 25576 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent 25577 ? SN 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_baloo_indexer --identifier akonadi_baloo_indexer 25578 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent --identifier akonadi_maildispatcher_agent 25579 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent --identifier akonadi_migration_agent 25597 ? Sl 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/akonadi_agent_launcher akonadi_maildir_resource akonadi_maildir_resource_0

Which is not so surprising. Because otherwise Kontact would not complain about damaged mailresources being offline. The fact is, when you do all what I say, with 42.2 I get a working Kontact .... for that session only. After every reboot you have to do the same again.... (and it is a notebook).

You said "I tried to install it and akonadi does not start, no matter what", I just wanted to say that "akonadi starts fine here". Thus we can deduce it is not an akonadi problem, but something else. So what else do you do (that prevents akonadi from starting) ?

It seems it crashes: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1017222.

Okay - it seems it is related to kmail, which is perhaps why I'm not seeing it. (I don't use kmail). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-4.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:01

On 2017-01-07 12:02, Per Jessen wrote:

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stakanov wrote:

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I allow myself the comment that it is quite interesting that we state "KDEPIM4 has been ported a last time to 42.2 for compatibility reasons" - release notes - but when you install it is not working and if you file a bug on this it is immediately closed down with "won't fix" - out of scope - while referring to....the release notes, as to say: we know that KDEPIM4 is not working but we provide it.

I think I had to revert to kdepim4 because I needed knode, I don't know how much of kdepim4 is being used by that, but it works for me.

In your case, being only one tool, you could move it to a virtual machine. Ie, a VM with 42.1. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Per Jessen

17:01

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-01-07 12:02, Per Jessen wrote:

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stakanov wrote:

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I allow myself the comment that it is quite interesting that we state "KDEPIM4 has been ported a last time to 42.2 for compatibility reasons" - release notes - but when you install it is not working and if you file a bug on this it is immediately closed down with "won't fix" - out of scope - while referring to....the release notes, as to say: we know that KDEPIM4 is not working but we provide it.

I think I had to revert to kdepim4 because I needed knode, I don't know how much of kdepim4 is being used by that, but it works for me.

In your case, being only one tool, you could move it to a virtual machine. Ie, a VM with 42.1.

Not a bad idea, but it's a bit much to do that for every machine that wants to read news groups. (and mailing lists and cron output etc). I'm not talking about just one desktop. We funnel all kinds of info and job output into innd, this makes it easy to manage and accessible from virtually everywhere, with knode. For the time being, knode still works, and I'm still only testing leap42[12] on desktops. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-4.5°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17:52

On 2017-01-07 18:01, Per Jessen wrote:

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I think I had to revert to kdepim4 because I needed knode, I don't know how much of kdepim4 is being used by that, but it works for me.

In your case, being only one tool, you could move it to a virtual machine. Ie, a VM with 42.1.

Not a bad idea, but it's a bit much to do that for every machine that wants to read news groups. (and mailing lists and cron output etc). I'm not talking about just one desktop. We funnel all kinds of info and job output into innd, this makes it easy to manage and accessible from virtually everywhere, with knode. For the time being, knode still works, and I'm still only testing leap42[12] on desktops.

Oh, that's complicated, then. You could have a central server with 42.1, and people could open an ssh -X session there to simply start a knode command. A bit cumbersome. Otherwise, switch to another news reader. I use Thunderbird, it is very good. Another one is 'Pan'. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Patrick Shanahan

18:42

* Carlos E. R. [01-07-17 12:53]:

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On 2017-01-07 18:01, Per Jessen wrote:

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I think I had to revert to kdepim4 because I needed knode, I don't know how much of kdepim4 is being used by that, but it works for me.

In your case, being only one tool, you could move it to a virtual machine. Ie, a VM with 42.1.

Not a bad idea, but it's a bit much to do that for every machine that wants to read news groups. (and mailing lists and cron output etc). I'm not talking about just one desktop. We funnel all kinds of info and job output into innd, this makes it easy to manage and accessible from virtually everywhere, with knode. For the time being, knode still works, and I'm still only testing leap42[12] on desktops.

Oh, that's complicated, then.

You could have a central server with 42.1, and people could open an ssh -X session there to simply start a knode command. A bit cumbersome.

Otherwise, switch to another news reader. I use Thunderbird, it is very good. Another one is 'Pan'.

and commandline, slrn -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

20:36

On 2017-01-07 19:42, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Otherwise, switch to another news reader. I use Thunderbird, it is very good. Another one is 'Pan'.

and commandline, slrn

Few /common/ people would like that one :-P -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Per Jessen

8 Jan 8 Jan

08:52

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Otherwise, switch to another news reader. I use Thunderbird, it is very good. Another one is 'Pan'.

and commandline, slrn

Few /common/ people would like that one :-P

Thanks for the suggestions - TB is probably the most likely alternative, but I'll have to try out 'Pan' too. For the time being, we'll remain on 13.1 and 13.2 - leap42x has other unsolved issues (scanning, printing, graphics) that means we can't move up. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-1.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

13:39

* Per Jessen [01-08-17 03:54]:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Otherwise, switch to another news reader. I use Thunderbird, it is very good. Another one is 'Pan'.

and commandline, slrn

Few /common/ people would like that one :-P

I don't know why other than the default key combinations are *different*, It is configurable and has good function.

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Thanks for the suggestions - TB is probably the most likely alternative, but I'll have to try out 'Pan' too. For the time being, we'll remain on 13.1 and 13.2 - leap42x has other unsolved issues (scanning, printing, graphics) that means we can't move up.

I don't believe pan is available anymore. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

15:10

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-01-07 19:42, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [01-07-17 12:53]:

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Otherwise, switch to another news reader. I use Thunderbird, it is very good. Another one is 'Pan'.

and commandline, slrn

Few /common/ people would like that one :-P

I don't know why other than the default key combinations are *different*, It is configurable and has good function.

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Thanks for the suggestions - TB is probably the most likely alternative, but I'll have to try out 'Pan' too. For the time being, we'll remain on 13.1 and 13.2 - leap42x has other unsolved issues (scanning, printing, graphics) that means we can't move up.

I don't believe pan is available anymore.

It is still available, I've just installed it on a leap422 test system. It was left to mature since 2012, but picked up again in early 2016. The interface looks a lot like knode, except for the list mamagement. First impression - looks good. Thanks for the suggestion, Carlos. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.3°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

16:51

On 2017-01-08 14:39, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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and commandline, slrn

Few /common/ people would like that one :-P

I don't know why other than the default key combinations are *different*, It is configurable and has good function.

/I/ find it cumbersome, even compared to Pine, which I use daily. Pine also has a news client. This time the interface is familiar, but it has a big problem when compared to GUI clients: it does not remember what posts one has read. This is not a bug, it is intentional. Or a consequence. On mail, an imap account, the server keeps track of read email by the client. But on nttp the server does not. Thus Pine does not track them, can't track them because there is no local cache of the news posts. The devs told me to mark those mails as deleted, but doing that the news posts disappear from view and I can't read them again. I believe slrn does the same thing. And this thing invalidates these clients for normal usage, unless you happen to like that behavior.

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Thanks for the suggestions - TB is probably the most likely alternative, but I'll have to try out 'Pan' too. For the time being, we'll remain on 13.1 and 13.2 - leap42x has other unsolved issues (scanning, printing, graphics) that means we can't move up.

I don't believe pan is available anymore.

It runs here, just tried. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R.

16:58

New subject: [opensuse] Printing in Leap 42.2 [Was: Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update]

On 2017-01-08 09:52, Per Jessen wrote:

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For the time being, we'll remain on 13.1 and 13.2 - leap42x has other unsolved issues (scanning, printing, graphics) that means we can't move up.

What are those issues? I have noticed that on 42.2 cups uses PDF as the format for print instead of postscript. What I don't understand is exactly what happens when the printer (the machine) language is ps. It (cups) either translates to ps, or uses ps directly. I wonder how to find out the exact chain in one machine, and whether I can tell LO (for instance) to print as postscript as default, as in the past. What I have read in the suggested material in the 42.2 release notes indicates that PDF is not a single format, and that there are unsupported features. Thus I do not understand why it was chosen as default format. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Per Jessen

9 Jan 9 Jan

07:28

New subject: [opensuse] Printing in Leap 42.2 [Was: Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update]

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-01-08 09:52, Per Jessen wrote:

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For the time being, we'll remain on 13.1 and 13.2 - leap42x has other unsolved issues (scanning, printing, graphics) that means we can't move up.

What are those issues?

scanning - psychedelic colours - bug#905034 printing - wrong size - bug#1015478 network - wireless - bug#1012299 (our new laptops have this issue, but I have not tried them with 13.2). firefox - bug#1011196 sddm crash - bug#954581 (maybe disappeared or resolved, I'm not sure). graphics - actually, for the primary desktops, there is no problem, it's only with certain graphics cards. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-2.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:25

New subject: [opensuse] Printing in Leap 42.2 [Was: Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update]

On 2017-01-09 08:28, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-01-08 09:52, Per Jessen wrote:

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For the time being, we'll remain on 13.1 and 13.2 - leap42x has other unsolved issues (scanning, printing, graphics) that means we can't move up.

What are those issues?

scanning - psychedelic colours - bug#905034 printing - wrong size - bug#1015478 network - wireless - bug#1012299 (our new laptops have this issue, but I have not tried them with 13.2). firefox - bug#1011196 sddm crash - bug#954581 (maybe disappeared or resolved, I'm not sure). graphics - actually, for the primary desktops, there is no problem, it's only with certain graphics cards.

Oh :-( Now that I see the list, I hit recently a post of someone somewhere mentioning problems printing with the printer on WiFi, not on cable. Is that the one? If so, I'll have to locate the post and tell him. I'll have to review that list later. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R.

14:48

New subject: [opensuse] Printing in Leap 42.2 [Was: Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update]

On 2017-01-09 15:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-01-09 08:28, Per Jessen wrote:

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network - wireless - bug#1012299 (our new laptops have this issue, but I have not tried them with 13.2).

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Oh :-(

Now that I see the list, I hit recently a post of someone somewhere mentioning problems printing with the printer on WiFi, not on cable. Is that the one? If so, I'll have to locate the post and tell him.

I'll have to review that list later.

No, it doesn't seem related, but I'll tell him anyway. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Per Jessen

15:09

New subject: [opensuse] Printing in Leap 42.2 [Was: Question about 42.1 to 42.2 update]

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-01-09 08:28, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-01-08 09:52, Per Jessen wrote:

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For the time being, we'll remain on 13.1 and 13.2 - leap42x has other unsolved issues (scanning, printing, graphics) that means we can't move up.

What are those issues?

scanning - psychedelic colours - bug#905034 printing - wrong size - bug#1015478 network - wireless - bug#1012299 (our new laptops have this issue, but I have not tried them with 13.2). firefox - bug#1011196 sddm crash - bug#954581 (maybe disappeared or resolved, I'm not sure). graphics - actually, for the primary desktops, there is no problem, it's only with certain graphics cards.

Oh :-(

Now that I see the list, I hit recently a post of someone somewhere mentioning problems printing with the printer on WiFi, not on cable. Is that the one? If so, I'll have to locate the post and tell him.

The wifi issue has to do with rfkill being on after startup or resume, I believe. It looks like NetworkManager understands it, but wicked doesn't. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.3°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

8 Jan 8 Jan

13:47

On 01/07/2017 12:52 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-01-07 18:01, Per Jessen wrote:

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[...] We funnel all kinds of info and job output into innd, this makes it easy to manage and accessible from virtually everywhere, with knode. [...]

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Oh, that's complicated, then.

I don't think so. INN is an old and very straight forward, robust and reliable technology/protocol, and thank you Henry Spenser and Jeff Colyier for an excellent implementation and set of C libraries. The use of INN as a domain-closed information source, even a ticketing system, has a long history. it's flood-fill algorithm reduces redundancy and is more effective, both in terms of distribution speed and reliability than IM/SMS.

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Otherwise, switch to another news reader. I use Thunderbird, it is very good. Another one is 'Pan'.

well, yes, there is that. Part of the whole matter is that like email, that is real SMTP/IMAP/POP/MBOX/MDIR email, not the gmail type "its really a database" email, the medium and storage is independent of the reader. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17:01

On 2017-01-08 14:47, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/07/2017 12:52 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-01-07 18:01, Per Jessen wrote:

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[...] We funnel all kinds of info and job output into innd, this makes it easy to manage and accessible from virtually everywhere, with knode. [...]

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Oh, that's complicated, then.

I don't think so. INN is an old and very straight forward, robust and reliable technology/protocol, and thank you Henry Spenser and Jeff Colyier for an excellent implementation and set of C libraries. The use of INN as a domain-closed information source, even a ticketing system, has a long history. it's flood-fill algorithm reduces redundancy and is more effective, both in terms of distribution speed and reliability than IM/SMS.

What I said that was complicated was my idea of using a machine or virtual machine running 42.1 in order to ssh to it and run knode on 42.2 machines. Context ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

pit

07:57

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Amazing, where did you get this from? It's not even in the manpage...

No? I didn't look, I thought it was.

I knew about it because some one mentioned it here, about when it had been invented and was experimental. There has been much recent talk about that switch in the factory mail list. There is also an option in the config file to make it the default.

Huh, yes, it is in man zypper:

--[no-]allow-vendor-change Whether to allow changing the vendor of installed resolvables [zypp.conf:solver.dupAllowVendorChange]. Setting this to no might be useful if you do not want packages from foreign repos being dup’ed to the distributions version (or vice versa).

Bummer. My bad. The [] messed up my search - I didn't read through all the 2500 lines of text. Some things hide well even if you almost know the exact name... :( Cheers, Pit -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17:03

On 2017-01-08 08:57, pit wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Amazing, where did you get this from? It's not even in the manpage...

No? I didn't look, I thought it was.

I knew about it because some one mentioned it here, about when it had been invented and was experimental. There has been much recent talk about that switch in the factory mail list. There is also an option in the config file to make it the default.

Huh, yes, it is in man zypper:

--[no-]allow-vendor-change Whether to allow changing the vendor of installed resolvables [zypp.conf:solver.dupAllowVendorChange]. Setting this to no might be useful if you do not want packages from foreign repos being dup’ed to the distributions version (or vice versa).

Bummer. My bad. The [] messed up my search - I didn't read through all the 2500 lines of text. Some things hide well even if you almost know the exact name... :(

I searched for "vendor" ;-) Yes, it is true, searching for the exact hit fails. Curious failure mode ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

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