On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Michal Vyskocil wrote:

On Tuesday 27 of January 2009 17:16:47 Boris Epstein wrote:

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Hello people,

Just started using KDE4 and for some reason I can't figure out some rather basic things. For instance, how do I add application icons to my control panel or desktop? It is funny that after years of KDE experience I can't do that...

Kickoff - right click on the icon and select Add to desktop/panel

Regards Michal Vyskocil

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Anyways, I am sure it is easy and I just missed the obvious. Any help much appreciated.

Boris.

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Thanks, Michal, this is exactly it, I just figured it out five minutes before reading your reply:) It was the same under KDE 3.5 only there it worked under the "Classic Style" menu as well. Boris. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Freitag, 30. Januar 2009 08:03:28 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:

What is kickoff? This from a seasoned KDE 3.5 user

The menu that opens if you click on the bottom-left icon on the panel (default settings). This was already part of KDE3 in openSUSE 10.3 and 11.0, if people did not reset the menu to the old style. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 30 January 2009 09:10:17 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

This menu, BTW, it not called the kickoff in the menu where you can add widgets to the panel. It is called the "Application Launcher Menu". Granted kickoff is shorter. But it is not known as that on the desktop. Thus my confusion.

'Kickoff' was the internal name when we started the KDE 3 version as a team project during the World Cup, it's still present all over the source code. Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Boris Epstein [01-27-09 12:50]:

Next question - how do I move the icon once I have added it to the panel if I would rather it be somewhere else on the panel?

Don't have it yet, but from reading the traffic here, <right-click> on the panel and "unlock" it. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Boris Epstein wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Boris Epstein [01-27-09 12:50]:

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Next question - how do I move the icon once I have added it to the panel if I would rather it be somewhere else on the panel?

Click on that mutli-colored (sorry, not sure what it is called yet) thingie in the corner of the task panel. You will get buttons like 'Screen Edge','Height', 'Lock Widgets', etc. When this menu is available you can move stuff around in the panel. - James W. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Click on that mutli-colored (sorry, not sure what it is called yet) thingie in the corner of the task panel.

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On Wednesday 28 January 2009 18:21:59 M Harris wrote:

On Tuesday 27 January 2009 10:16, Boris Epstein wrote:

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Anyways, I am sure it is easy and I just missed the obvious. Any help much appreciated.

The problem (white elephant in the middle of the list) that everyone is ignoring here is that the KDE folks don't understand regression testing,

A change in functionality that is *by design* is *not* a regression. A regression is when something that previously worked is now *unintentionally* broken due to an update or change that had an adverse affect (i.e. introduced a new bug), either directly or indirectly. In the case of functionality changes, the test suite to test that functionality also necessarily changes. This is not part of regression testing. Regression testing is the continual re-running of previously passed tests to ensure that they continue to pass with each update or group of updates. Yes, I have had experience in software testing (both manual and automated) in a professional capacity so I have some idea of what I'm talking about here.

nor do they understand any semblance of backward compatibility responsibility.

That is a different issue. It is the designers choice whether backwards compatibility is provided or not. In the case of a complete rewrite, sometimes backwards compatibility has to be sacrificed in order to provide new and/or improved functionality. Of course, the definition of "improved" is somewhat subjective and is a debate that I will not enter into here.

Its fine to want to build a new KDE (say complete rewrite) but the new version needs to provide regression and compatibility. Otherwise, the userbase is going to be VERY unhappy.

And as has been done to death here on many a previous thread,it is the developers' prerogative to design and write the new version as he/she/they see fit; it is the user's choice whether or not to embrace the new version in preference to the old. Perhaps the biggest mistake was to call the new version KDE4 - maybe they should have been more aggressive with the "new" thing and called it KDE-NG (for Next Generation) to make it clear that it really is a new thing and not simply an incremental upgrade from the previous version. Still, that's another debate that is inappropriate here. Regards, Rodney. -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================

On Wednesday 28 January 2009 1:51:59 am M Harris wrote:

On Tuesday 27 January 2009 10:16, Boris Epstein wrote:

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Anyways, I am sure it is easy and I just missed the obvious. Any help much appreciated.

The problem (white elephant in the middle of the list) that everyone is ignoring here is that the KDE folks don't understand regression testing, nor do they understand any semblance of backward compatibility responsibility.

Its fine to want to build a new KDE (say complete rewrite) but the new version needs to provide regression and compatibility. Otherwise, the userbase is going to be VERY unhappy.

I thought guys like you were going to quit using KDE when they went from version 1 to version 2. And then the switch from version 2 to version 3 got rid of the last of you. Or are you just late in jumping on the bandwagon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 30 January 2009 09:26:07 am Larry Stotler wrote:

I further pointed out how KDE4 has "forgotten" our friends with disabilites.  Some of them can't even use KDE4 right now, so dropping support for KDE3 when KDE4 isn't ready for them is going to be a big problem.  

Maybe you want to try some of desktop effects that can help people with weak vision, like zoom in and magnifier.

Hopefully the KDE 4.3 that it looks like 11.2 will have will fix a lot of those issues.  Personally, I just want to see KPersonalizer and a way to make it work like KDE3.  I have yet to find any use for ANY of the new "enhancements".

Some new stuff is just old one with a new name and somewhat enhanced abilities. For instance Activities. It is like multiple desktops, but each is world for itself. It can contain classic multiple desktops. In 4.2 is added widget that you can put in panel that is common for all activities, and switch between activities fast as you would with normal desktop switcher between desktops. With Folder view you can open work folder for specific activity and have it always available as a part of the desktop. When you run out of space in one panel add another one on side of wide screen that is usually unused, or if you want to have widgets isolated to single activity just sort them on the side of the screen. For instance there is now widget that you can use to post text or images in pastebin.ca or imagebin.ca by simply dragging them and dropping on drop target, ie. widget. It is somewhat easier then open browser, locate address in bookmarks and then drop text. People that are looking how to restore KDE3 in every detail waste their time. Plasma is very similar to KDE3 desktop if someone wants to be eccentric and drop bunch of new options, but on the other hand some people even today stick to command line for all purposes, not only where is easier to use it. Linux is, first of all, fun and everyone is free to do whatever makes him happy. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org