Re: [opensuse] "Starting KTTSD Failed"
On Thursday 03 February 2011 19:38:32 you wrote:
On 02/03/2011 11:19 AM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
That's the error message that has popped up on the screen from time to time in the v11.3 installation that I got around to doing only yesterday. It always happens when I have just pressed the return key to change to jump from one app to another (but not always even then). This message would be disquieting under any circumstances, offering no clue to how to find the reason for the failure. But given the fact that KTTSD is not installed on this machine at all, it is really unnerving.
What should I conclude from these reports of failure of a phantom app? How might I cause this supernatural phenomenon from occurring; how can I appease the poltergeist that is doing it?
This is just a rough guess: install KTTSD? The reason it is "failing to start" and the popup is being created is that the program can be found.
As I said above, "KTTSD is not installed at all". I have no reason to install it, and YaST sees that a package of this name exists on a repo, but says it is not installed. A <find> search starting from the root does not see any file named (or starting with) "kttsd" or even "KTTSD". -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/03/2011 01:57 PM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2011 19:38:32 you wrote:
On 02/03/2011 11:19 AM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
That's the error message that has popped up on the screen from time to time in the v11.3 installation that I got around to doing only yesterday. It always happens when I have just pressed the return key to change to jump from one app to another (but not always even then). This message would be disquieting under any circumstances, offering no clue to how to find the reason for the failure. But given the fact that KTTSD is not installed on this machine at all, it is really unnerving.
What should I conclude from these reports of failure of a phantom app? How might I cause this supernatural phenomenon from occurring; how can I appease the poltergeist that is doing it?
This is just a rough guess: install KTTSD? The reason it is "failing to start" and the popup is being created is that the program can be found.
As I said above, "KTTSD is not installed at all". I have no reason to install it, and YaST sees that a package of this name exists on a repo, but says it is not installed. A <find> search starting from the root does not see any file named (or starting with) "kttsd" or even "KTTSD".
The point is that some other package/program is calling the text-to-speech program causing the pop-up message. It that is the case then there is an unmet dependency somewhere. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ken Schneider - openSUSE said the following on 02/03/2011 02:04 PM:
The point is that some other package/program is calling the text-to-speech program causing the pop-up message. It that is the case then there is an unmet dependency somewhere.
When this happened to me I eventually traced it to an option on one of the clock things I had on my desktop. Take a look at those settings. -- In times of profound change, the learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists. - Eric Hoffer
On 2/3/2011 11:04 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
The point is that some other package/program is calling the text-to-speech program causing the pop-up message. It that is the case then there is an unmet dependency somewhere.
Wouldn't that speak (sorry for pun) to some packaging error somewhere? -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/03/2011 02:25 PM, John Andersen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On 2/3/2011 11:04 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
The point is that some other package/program is calling the text-to-speech program causing the pop-up message. It that is the case then there is an unmet dependency somewhere.
Wouldn't that speak (sorry for pun) to some packaging error somewhere?
Yes, that is a bug that the OP should report. The fix, either have T-T-S turned off in the clock settings or have the appropriate software installed by default. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 February 2011 22:04:36 Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 02/03/2011 02:25 PM, John Andersen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On 2/3/2011 11:04 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
The point is that some other package/program is calling the text-to-speech program causing the pop-up message. It that is the case then there is an unmet dependency somewhere.
Wouldn't that speak (sorry for pun) to some packaging error somewhere?
Yes, that is a bug that the OP should report. The fix, either have T-T-S turned off in the clock settings or have the appropriate software installed by default.
KTTSD is a text-to-speech program. How does it get tangled with the clock? Where does it occur in the clock settings, so I can turn off the error? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stan Goodman said the following on 02/03/2011 04:02 PM:
KTTSD is a text-to-speech program. How does it get tangled with the clock? Where does it occur in the clock settings, so I can turn off the error?
Did you not see that in the image attached to my email saying it was in the on-screen clock widget? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 February 2011 21:25:10 John Andersen wrote:
On 2/3/2011 11:04 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
The point is that some other package/program is calling the text-to-speech program causing the pop-up message. It that is the case then there is an unmet dependency somewhere.
Wouldn't that speak (sorry for pun) to some packaging error somewhere?
It would seem to be an error somewhere (which is why I wrote of occult possibilities), but I wouldn't know how to find it. What I do know is that it's a bit of a pain in the but, popping up the error so frequently. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 February 2011 21:04:25 Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 02/03/2011 01:57 PM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2011 19:38:32 you wrote:
On 02/03/2011 11:19 AM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
That's the error message that has popped up on the screen from time to time in the v11.3 installation that I got around to doing only yesterday. It always happens when I have just pressed the return key to change to jump from one app to another (but not always even then). This message would be disquieting under any circumstances, offering no clue to how to find the reason for the failure. But given the fact that KTTSD is not installed on this machine at all, it is really unnerving.
What should I conclude from these reports of failure of a phantom app? How might I cause this supernatural phenomenon from occurring; how can I appease the poltergeist that is doing it?
This is just a rough guess: install KTTSD? The reason it is "failing to start" and the popup is being created is that the program can be found.
As I said above, "KTTSD is not installed at all". I have no reason to install it, and YaST sees that a package of this name exists on a repo, but says it is not installed. A <find> search starting from the root does not see any file named (or starting with) "kttsd" or even "KTTSD".
The point is that some other package/program is calling the text-to-speech program causing the pop-up message. It that is the case then there is an unmet dependency somewhere.
How to find it? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2/3/2011 12:51 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2011 21:04:25 Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 02/03/2011 01:57 PM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2011 19:38:32 you wrote:
On 02/03/2011 11:19 AM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
That's the error message that has popped up on the screen from time to time in the v11.3 installation that I got around to doing only yesterday. It always happens when I have just pressed the return key to change to jump from one app to another (but not always even then). This message would be disquieting under any circumstances, offering no clue to how to find the reason for the failure. But given the fact that KTTSD is not installed on this machine at all, it is really unnerving.
What should I conclude from these reports of failure of a phantom app? How might I cause this supernatural phenomenon from occurring; how can I appease the poltergeist that is doing it?
This is just a rough guess: install KTTSD? The reason it is "failing to start" and the popup is being created is that the program can be found.
As I said above, "KTTSD is not installed at all". I have no reason to install it, and YaST sees that a package of this name exists on a repo, but says it is not installed. A <find> search starting from the root does not see any file named (or starting with) "kttsd" or even "KTTSD".
The point is that some other package/program is calling the text-to-speech program causing the pop-up message. It that is the case then there is an unmet dependency somewhere.
How to find it?
Google the exact text of the message in quotes. Since all source files are on line somewhere, it is bound to be found. Once you know which program is issuing the message you have your first clue as to who/what may be trying to call it. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 February 2011 22:57:08 John Andersen wrote:
On 2/3/2011 12:51 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2011 21:04:25 Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 02/03/2011 01:57 PM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2011 19:38:32 you wrote:
On 02/03/2011 11:19 AM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and
wrote:
That's the error message that has popped up on the screen from time to time in the v11.3 installation that I got around to doing only yesterday. It always happens when I have just pressed the return key to change to jump from one app to another (but not always even then). This message would be disquieting under any circumstances, offering no clue to how to find the reason for the failure. But given the fact that KTTSD is not installed on this machine at all, it is really unnerving.
What should I conclude from these reports of failure of a phantom app? How might I cause this supernatural phenomenon from occurring; how can I appease the poltergeist that is doing it?
This is just a rough guess: install KTTSD? The reason it is "failing to start" and the popup is being created is that the program can be found.
As I said above, "KTTSD is not installed at all". I have no reason to install it, and YaST sees that a package of this name exists on a repo, but says it is not installed. A <find> search starting from the root does not see any file named (or starting with) "kttsd" or even "KTTSD".
The point is that some other package/program is calling the text-to-speech program causing the pop-up message. It that is the case then there is an unmet dependency somewhere.
How to find it?
Google the exact text of the message in quotes. Since all source files are on line somewhere, it is bound to be found. Once you know which program is issuing the message you have your first clue as to who/what may be trying to call it.
Thanks. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 February 2011 22:57:08 John Andersen wrote:
On 2/3/2011 12:51 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2011 21:04:25 Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 02/03/2011 01:57 PM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2011 19:38:32 you wrote:
On 02/03/2011 11:19 AM, Stan Goodman pecked at the keyboard and
wrote:
That's the error message that has popped up on the screen from time to time in the v11.3 installation that I got around to doing only yesterday. It always happens when I have just pressed the return key to change to jump from one app to another (but not always even then). This message would be disquieting under any circumstances, offering no clue to how to find the reason for the failure. But given the fact that KTTSD is not installed on this machine at all, it is really unnerving.
What should I conclude from these reports of failure of a phantom app? How might I cause this supernatural phenomenon from occurring; how can I appease the poltergeist that is doing it?
This is just a rough guess: install KTTSD? The reason it is "failing to start" and the popup is being created is that the program can be found.
As I said above, "KTTSD is not installed at all". I have no reason to install it, and YaST sees that a package of this name exists on a repo, but says it is not installed. A <find> search starting from the root does not see any file named (or starting with) "kttsd" or even "KTTSD".
The point is that some other package/program is calling the text-to-speech program causing the pop-up message. It that is the case then there is an unmet dependency somewhere.
How to find it?
Google the exact text of the message in quotes. Since all source files are on line somewhere, it is bound to be found. Once you know which program is issuing the message you have your first clue as to who/what may be trying to call it.
There are many discussions of this error on Google, not a few of them uninformative. The solution is very simple, and does indeed involve the clock widget. The General tab of the Digital Clock Settings contains only a single inocuous setting, which is how often to Speak the Time, which had somehow got set to something other than "Never". (Full disclosure: There is nobody else here but me. Evidently I inadvertently changed it.) -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/02/03 23:32 (GMT+0200) Stan Goodman composed:
The solution is very simple, and does indeed involve the clock widget. The General tab of the Digital Clock Settings contains only a single inocuous setting, which is how often to Speak the Time, which had somehow got set to something other than "Never". (Full disclosure: There is nobody else here but me. Evidently I inadvertently changed it.)
There should be no such setting available to inadvertently change if the required kttsd it depends on to function is not installed. If it is or was, that would be a bug that should be fixed. -- "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 04 February 2011 00:41:26 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/02/03 23:32 (GMT+0200) Stan Goodman composed:
The solution is very simple, and does indeed involve the clock widget. The General tab of the Digital Clock Settings contains only a single inocuous setting, which is how often to Speak the Time, which had somehow got set to something other than "Never". (Full disclosure: There is nobody else here but me. Evidently I inadvertently changed it.)
There should be no such setting available to inadvertently change if the required kttsd it depends on to function is not installed. If it is or was, that would be a bug that should be fixed.
The least that KDE could have done would be to put a little remark on that page, where there is plenty of space, that the setting depends on the presence of KTTSD. Perhaps they reasoned that anybody would understand that there has to be a speech generator in order to speak the time -- which is true in retrospect. But if you haven't made the setting purposefully, you are not going to have it in mind when the error pops up, and when someone (Anton) suggests the clock without mentioning the speak- the-time thing, you aren't likely to have any reaction other than "what the Hell has the clock got to do with text-to-speech? What has the clock got to do with text?" Not all developers are able to imagine themselves in the position of a user who has not been living with the program from the beginning; but that's not news. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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