[opensuse] Alternative to ownCloud Calendar and contacts
Hi all, I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts). What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users. What suggestions are there? Thanks Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 28.08.2018 um 18:01 schrieb Paul Groves:
Hi all,
I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts).
What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users.
What suggestions are there?
Thanks
Paul
I'm currently using radicale. https://radicale.org/ Hendrik -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 28/08/18 17:04, Hendrik Woltersdorf wrote:
Am 28.08.2018 um 18:01 schrieb Paul Groves:
Hi all,
I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts).
What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users.
What suggestions are there?
Thanks
Paul
I'm currently using radicale. https://radicale.org/
Hendrik
I was just having a play with Radicale and I cannot get my head around all of it. I have installed and configures SSL and users but when I browse to http://webserver:5232, I log in but I just get a blank screen. I cannot find any proper documentation on their website about how I can administer it. Unless of course I am doing it wrong? Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Paul Groves wrote:
Hi all,
I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts).
What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users.
What suggestions are there?
We've been running SOGo for about three years. It has not yet been deployed to a really large number of users. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 28/08/18 17:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
Hi all,
I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts).
What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users.
What suggestions are there?
We've been running SOGo for about three years. It has not yet been deployed to a really large number of users.
SOGO seems like it might be suitable. I see that it works as a webmail client too which would be useful later when I actually work out how to set up postfix and dovecot. Do you have any useful information on how to set up sogo? My server has apache and mariadb on it already. thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Paul Groves wrote:
On 28/08/18 17:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
Hi all,
I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts).
What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users.
What suggestions are there?
We've been running SOGo for about three years. It has not yet been deployed to a really large number of users.
SOGO seems like it might be suitable. I see that it works as a webmail client too which would be useful later when I actually work out how to set up postfix and dovecot.
Do you have any useful information on how to set up sogo? My server has apache and mariadb on it already.
Useful info - probably not :-) I remember the documentation being a little sketchy, and having to google quite a bit. I have yet to integrate SOGo with our central authentication and I don't have any outlook clients either. We have TB, iPhone and Android. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.9°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 28/08/18 19:36, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
On 28/08/18 17:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
Hi all,
I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts).
What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users.
What suggestions are there?
We've been running SOGo for about three years. It has not yet been deployed to a really large number of users.
SOGO seems like it might be suitable. I see that it works as a webmail client too which would be useful later when I actually work out how to set up postfix and dovecot.
Do you have any useful information on how to set up sogo? My server has apache and mariadb on it already.
Useful info - probably not :-) I remember the documentation being a little sketchy, and having to google quite a bit. I have yet to integrate SOGo with our central authentication and I don't have any outlook clients either. We have TB, iPhone and Android.
I have installed SOGO. The documentation is rather lacking. I literally do not know what to do next haha. Currently trying to make out the documentation but it is not very well set out. The install instructions literally say how to install it. No mention of what to do afterwards. This is on a system where 5 people will be using it. Also using TB Android and iPhone so similar to your setup. How are you authenticating users on SOGO currently? Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
by the way, with thunderbird one have to install sogo to use davcal jdd -- Envoyé de mon appareil Android avec Courriel K-9 Mail. Veuillez excuser ma brièveté. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Paul Groves wrote:
I have installed SOGO. The documentation is rather lacking. I literally do not know what to do next haha.
You have sogod running? You'll also need to get an apache vhost going. The user accesses apache, and apache proxies requests to SOGo. I'll be happy to share my apache config, off-line. Next you need to look at configuring your domains(s). This is in /etc/sogo/sogo.conf : domains = { example.com = { SOGoLanguage = "English"; SOGoTimeZone = "Europe/Zurich"; SOGoMailDomain = example.com; SOGoUserSources = ( { type = sql; id = elixseri; viewURL = "mysql://user:pwd@dbserver:3306/db_sogo/sogo_users3"; canAuthenticate = YES; userPasswordAlgorithm = crypt; isAddressBook = YES; displayName = "Elix Beauty AG"; prependPasswordScheme = YES; DomainFieldName = domain; } ); }; } sogo.conf has a whole load of other options: { SOGoProfileURL = "mysql://user:pwd@dbserver:3306/db_sogo/sogo_user_profile"; OCSFolderInfoURL = "mysql://user:pwd@dbserver:3306/db_sogo/sogo_folder_info"; OCSSessionsFolderURL = "mysql://user:pwd@dbserver:3306/db_sogo/sogo_sessions_folder"; SOGoAppointmentSendEMailNotifications = YES; SOGoCalendarDefaultRoles = ( PublicViewer, ConfidentialDAndTViewer ); SOGoPageTitle = "whatever you want to call it"; SOGoIMAPServer = imap.example.com; SOGoDraftsFolderName = Drafts; SOGoSentFolderName = Sent; SOGoTrashFolderName = Trash; SOGoMailingMechanism = smtp; SOGoSMTPServer = neon.local.net; SOGoEnablePublicAccess = yes; SOGoMemcachedHost = localhost; SOGoFirstDayOfWeek = 1; SOGoMailMessageCheck = every_minute; SOGoMailAuxiliaryUserAccountsEnabled = NO; // this let the user add another account under "Preferences"? SOGoCacheCleanupInterval = 60; WOWorkersCount = 20; SOGoVacationEnabled = YES; under "Preferences". SOGoForwardEnabled = NO; SOGoPasswordChangeEnabled = NO; // have to test if/how this works. SOGoSieveScriptsEnabled = YES; SOGoSieveServer = "sieve://sieve.example.com:4190"; SOGoMailCustomFromEnabled = YES; SOGoSieveScriptsEnabled = YES; // this enables a select domain menu on the login page ?? //SOGoLoginDomains = ( elixseri.com, example.com, opensuse.org ); //SOGoDomainsVisibility = ((elixseri.com, example.com, opensuse.org));
This is on a system where 5 people will be using it. Also using TB Android and iPhone so similar to your setup.
How are you authenticating users on SOGO currently?
See the viewURL setting in the domain definition above. For 5 people SOGo might appear to be slight overkill, but it actually works really well and only needs minimal fiddling. I don't remember when I last touched any of the config. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/28/2018 11:01 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
Hi all,
I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts).
What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users.
What suggestions are there?
Thanks
Paul
eGroupWare - nothing else. PHP with MySQL backend and caldav/carddav. Coordinates seamlessly between PC, iPhone, etc.. over the internet. I have used it for a decade for both home and office. Good group of developers (Ralf Becker is the lead) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 29/08/18 00:14, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/28/2018 11:01 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
Hi all,
I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts).
What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users.
What suggestions are there?
Thanks
Paul
eGroupWare - nothing else.
PHP with MySQL backend and caldav/carddav. Coordinates seamlessly between PC, iPhone, etc.. over the internet. I have used it for a decade for both home and office. Good group of developers (Ralf Becker is the lead)
It looks much simpler that sogo. I assume this is the same egroupware you mention https://github.com/EGroupware/egroupware/releases Do I literally just plonk the files into a new apache virtualhost and set up a new db for it? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/02/2018 08:46 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
It looks much simpler that sogo.
I assume this is the same egroupware you mention https://github.com/EGroupware/egroupware/releases
Do I literally just plonk the files into a new apache virtualhost and set up a new db for it?
Yes, that's it -- that's the beauty of it. You will need to following the setup and make sure you have your MySQL db setup with a username/pass so that apache can talk to it, and tweak the php.ini settings it lists, set your .htaccess and header.inc.php file in the egroupware directory, -- and you are done. Then it is just a matter of setting up users in eGroupware itself. It is pretty straight forward. Once you done, then for example on your phone or in Thunderbird Lightning, just point the calendar and contacts to: https://yourdomain.com/egroupware/groupdav.php/principals/users/you (change to fit your server and egroupware username instead of 'you') A huge benefit is ALL of your data is in simple MySQL tables, you can convert that to anything else you may need in the future - there is nothing closed source about it. OpenSuSE used to have an egroupware rpm you could install -- although I always just used the svn (before git) and git files. It was just as easy for me to put the files in the apache directory as it was to let rpm do it for me. I actually just use my main webserver -- I don't even create a separate virtual host for it. It just has its own directory, e.g. /srv/www/htdocs/egroupware_16. Then I create a symlink egroupware->egroupware_16 and configure apache to just use the egroupware package (that way if I am testing a new (or old) branch, I can just point the symlink to the new directory containing the new branch and fire it up) egroupware will automatically backup the MySQL tables on the schedule you tell it to. For work, I would do nightly backups, for home, weekly is fine. I haven't been as active on the egroupware list as I was in the past, I'm actually a version behind, it's just been one of those things that keeps silently and seamlessly working, so it doesn't require much in the way of maintenance :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/09/18 09:29, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 09/02/2018 08:46 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
It looks much simpler that sogo.
I assume this is the same egroupware you mention https://github.com/EGroupware/egroupware/releases
Do I literally just plonk the files into a new apache virtualhost and set up a new db for it?
Yes, that's it -- that's the beauty of it. You will need to following the setup and make sure you have your MySQL db setup with a username/pass so that apache can talk to it, and tweak the php.ini settings it lists, set your .htaccess and header.inc.php file in the egroupware directory, -- and you are done.
Then it is just a matter of setting up users in eGroupware itself. It is pretty straight forward.
Once you done, then for example on your phone or in Thunderbird Lightning, just point the calendar and contacts to:
https://yourdomain.com/egroupware/groupdav.php/principals/users/you
(change to fit your server and egroupware username instead of 'you')
A huge benefit is ALL of your data is in simple MySQL tables, you can convert that to anything else you may need in the future - there is nothing closed source about it.
OpenSuSE used to have an egroupware rpm you could install -- although I always just used the svn (before git) and git files. It was just as easy for me to put the files in the apache directory as it was to let rpm do it for me.
I actually just use my main webserver -- I don't even create a separate virtual host for it. It just has its own directory, e.g. /srv/www/htdocs/egroupware_16. Then I create a symlink egroupware->egroupware_16 and configure apache to just use the egroupware package
(that way if I am testing a new (or old) branch, I can just point the symlink to the new directory containing the new branch and fire it up)
egroupware will automatically backup the MySQL tables on the schedule you tell it to. For work, I would do nightly backups, for home, weekly is fine.
I haven't been as active on the egroupware list as I was in the past, I'm actually a version behind, it's just been one of those things that keeps silently and seamlessly working, so it doesn't require much in the way of maintenance :)
Thanks So I have installed egroupware and logged in as my new user. A little confused though. I am in the calendar page but I cannot see how to create multiple calendars? where can I do this? Also How can I share said second calendar to another egroupware user? Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/09/18 21:44, Paul Groves wrote:
On 03/09/18 09:29, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 09/02/2018 08:46 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
It looks much simpler that sogo.
I assume this is the same egroupware you mention https://github.com/EGroupware/egroupware/releases
Do I literally just plonk the files into a new apache virtualhost and set up a new db for it?
Yes, that's it -- that's the beauty of it. You will need to following the setup and make sure you have your MySQL db setup with a username/pass so that apache can talk to it, and tweak the php.ini settings it lists, set your .htaccess and header.inc.php file in the egroupware directory, -- and you are done.
Then it is just a matter of setting up users in eGroupware itself. It is pretty straight forward.
Once you done, then for example on your phone or in Thunderbird Lightning, just point the calendar and contacts to:
https://yourdomain.com/egroupware/groupdav.php/principals/users/you
(change to fit your server and egroupware username instead of 'you')
A huge benefit is ALL of your data is in simple MySQL tables, you can convert that to anything else you may need in the future - there is nothing closed source about it.
OpenSuSE used to have an egroupware rpm you could install -- although I always just used the svn (before git) and git files. It was just as easy for me to put the files in the apache directory as it was to let rpm do it for me.
I actually just use my main webserver -- I don't even create a separate virtual host for it. It just has its own directory, e.g. /srv/www/htdocs/egroupware_16. Then I create a symlink egroupware->egroupware_16 and configure apache to just use the egroupware package
(that way if I am testing a new (or old) branch, I can just point the symlink to the new directory containing the new branch and fire it up)
egroupware will automatically backup the MySQL tables on the schedule you tell it to. For work, I would do nightly backups, for home, weekly is fine.
I haven't been as active on the egroupware list as I was in the past, I'm actually a version behind, it's just been one of those things that keeps silently and seamlessly working, so it doesn't require much in the way of maintenance :)
Thanks
So I have installed egroupware and logged in as my new user. A little confused though.
I am in the calendar page but I cannot see how to create multiple calendars? where can I do this?
Also How can I share said second calendar to another egroupware user?
Paul
Hmm this egroupware program seems very buggy. The calendar button keeps sometimes dissapearing. I am currently unable to even see calendars. I am also unable to edit or add groups. when logging in sometimes I get the header but no items in the menu to click. I am not sure this is a great solution, it is very bulky, buggy and slow. It takes sometimes 10 seconds for each page to load. All I want is a basic PHP / mysql based caldav / carddav server that will let me have multiple calendars and address books per user with the ability to share said calendars and address books to other users. Basically exactly what owncloud calendar and contacts does, just without owncloud. Is there such a thing out there? I mean, google calendar does it, icloud calendar does it... Surelty there is a simple open source solution? All suggestions welcome... Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Paul Groves wrote:
Hmm this egroupware program seems very buggy. The calendar button keeps sometimes dissapearing. I am currently unable to even see calendars. I am also unable to edit or add groups. when logging in sometimes I get the header but no items in the menu to click.
I don't know egroupware myself, but it's not exactly niche software - maybe an installation problem?
All I want is a basic PHP / mysql based caldav / carddav server that will let me have multiple calendars and address books per user with the ability to share said calendars and address books to other users.
Basically exactly what owncloud calendar and contacts does, just without owncloud.
The owncloud calendar plug-in doesn't seem quite finished either? I mean, it looks good, but the website clearly says it's under development.
Is there such a thing out there? I mean, google calendar does it, icloud calendar does it... Surelty there is a simple open source solution?
Well, I would still say SOGo - setting it up can be a little daunting, but it works. Mine is running in a xen instance, 1cpu, 1Gb memory. About 15 users. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/09/18 07:35, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
Hmm this egroupware program seems very buggy. The calendar button keeps sometimes dissapearing. I am currently unable to even see calendars. I am also unable to edit or add groups. when logging in sometimes I get the header but no items in the menu to click.
I don't know egroupware myself, but it's not exactly niche software - maybe an installation problem?
All I want is a basic PHP / mysql based caldav / carddav server that will let me have multiple calendars and address books per user with the ability to share said calendars and address books to other users.
Basically exactly what owncloud calendar and contacts does, just without owncloud.
The owncloud calendar plug-in doesn't seem quite finished either? I mean, it looks good, but the website clearly says it's under development.
Is there such a thing out there? I mean, google calendar does it, icloud calendar does it... Surelty there is a simple open source solution?
Well, I would still say SOGo - setting it up can be a little daunting, but it works. Mine is running in a xen instance, 1cpu, 1Gb memory. About 15 users.
Hi Per, I have just been trying the live demo on the sogo website. It does everything I need! Multiple calendars and address books with sharing. Although as you say setting it up can be a bit daunting. Could you possibly give me some advice and guidance on setting it up? I have got as far as I have installed the sogo package. The server it will be running on already has apache and mariadb set up and configured. Server has a dual core 4 thread cpu, 4gb ddr3 RAM so if it runs on your pc then it will surely run fine on this. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Paul Groves wrote:
Hi Per,
I have just been trying the live demo on the sogo website. It does everything I need! Multiple calendars and address books with sharing.
Those were also my main requirements, and the TB-like webmail interface is a nice bonus.
Although as you say setting it up can be a bit daunting. Could you possibly give me some advice and guidance on setting it up?
I'll add some bits below. Otherwise this is not a bad starting point: https://sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGoInstallationGuide.html
I have got as far as I have installed the sogo package. The server it will be running on already has apache and mariadb set up and configured.
I think there are 3 things missing then:
a) sogod. This is started with systemd, although it is still an
init-script: /etc/init.d/sogod. I don't remember if that is installed
automatically or if you need to copy it from <sogopkg>/Scripts
If you haven't configured /etc/sogo/sogo.conf yet, here is one to start
with:
https://files.jessen.ch/perjessen-sogo.conf
Essentially you need to edit userid and password for the database. If
you don't have a local mailserver with imap, I expect you can just omit
those mailserver settings.
b) apache. For your virtual host you need:
RedirectMatch ^/?$ https://one.hostsuisse.com/SOGo
Alias /SOGo.woa/WebServerResources/ /usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo/WebServerResources/
Alias /SOGo/WebServerResources/ /usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo/WebServerResources/
AliasMatch /SOGo/so/ControlPanel/Products/(.*)/Resources/(.*) /usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo/$1.SOGo/Resources/$2
ProxyRequests Off
SetEnv proxy-nokeepalive 1
ProxyPreserveHost On
ProxyPass /SOGo http://localhost:20000/SOGo retry=0
On 06/09/18 12:33, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
Hi Per,
I have just been trying the live demo on the sogo website. It does everything I need! Multiple calendars and address books with sharing.
Those were also my main requirements, and the TB-like webmail interface is a nice bonus.
Although as you say setting it up can be a bit daunting. Could you possibly give me some advice and guidance on setting it up?
I'll add some bits below. Otherwise this is not a bad starting point:
https://sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGoInstallationGuide.html
I have got as far as I have installed the sogo package. The server it will be running on already has apache and mariadb set up and configured.
I think there are 3 things missing then:
a) sogod. This is started with systemd, although it is still an init-script: /etc/init.d/sogod. I don't remember if that is installed automatically or if you need to copy it from <sogopkg>/Scripts If you haven't configured /etc/sogo/sogo.conf yet, here is one to start with:
https://files.jessen.ch/perjessen-sogo.conf
Essentially you need to edit userid and password for the database. If you don't have a local mailserver with imap, I expect you can just omit those mailserver settings.
b) apache. For your virtual host you need:
RedirectMatch ^/?$ https://one.hostsuisse.com/SOGo
Alias /SOGo.woa/WebServerResources/ /usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo/WebServerResources/ Alias /SOGo/WebServerResources/ /usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo/WebServerResources/ AliasMatch /SOGo/so/ControlPanel/Products/(.*)/Resources/(.*) /usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo/$1.SOGo/Resources/$2
ProxyRequests Off SetEnv proxy-nokeepalive 1 ProxyPreserveHost On
ProxyPass /SOGo http://localhost:20000/SOGo retry=0
http://localhost:20000/SOGo> RequestHeader set "x-webobjects-server-port" "443" RequestHeader set "x-webobjects-server-name" "your.server.name" RequestHeader set "x-webobjects-server-url" "https://your.server.name" RequestHeader unset "x-webobjects-remote-user" RequestHeader set "x-webobjects-server-protocol" "HTTP/1.0" AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 Require all granted </Proxy>
I didn't make it all up :-), I'm sure I copied it from somewhere.
c) mysql database
I think SOGo will create everything it needs on the first start, but there is also a script under <sogopkg>/Scripts.
Hi Per, Having some trouble. Just sent an email to you directly with my config files. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 05/09/2018 à 23:41, Paul Groves a écrit :
Basically exactly what owncloud calendar and contacts does, just without owncloud.
given you don't use much big data, why don't you get a (may be even free) nextcloud subscription? you save the hassle of maintain it your self, its works on any terminal (thunderbird, android...) and you don't care if you have features you don't use :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/09/18 07:41, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 05/09/2018 à 23:41, Paul Groves a écrit :
Basically exactly what owncloud calendar and contacts does, just without owncloud.
given you don't use much big data, why don't you get a (may be even free) nextcloud subscription?
you save the hassle of maintain it your self, its works on any terminal (thunderbird, android...) and you don't care if you have features you don't use :-)
jdd
Thanks for the suggestion but the whole point it I want a self hosted. I do not like the idea putting my every whereabouts in a calendar and all of my friends and family's personal details on a public hosted service :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 06/09/2018 à 11:48, Paul Groves a écrit :
Thanks for the suggestion but the whole point it I want a self hosted. I do not like the idea putting my every whereabouts in a calendar and all of my friends and family's personal details on a public hosted service :)
many can be encrypted :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2018 03:44 PM, Paul Groves wrote:
Thanks
So I have installed egroupware and logged in as my new user. A little confused though.
I am in the calendar page but I cannot see how to create multiple calendars? where can I do this?
Also How can I share said second calendar to another egroupware user?
Paul
Version dependent, you simply click the Add->Calendar Entry (at the top right of the menubar) from any entry and fill out the information, or if you are in the calendar app, simply click within any calendar day/time and a popup entry dialog will appear. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 28. August 2018, 18:01:17 CEST schrieb Paul Groves:
Hi all,
I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts).
What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users.
What suggestions are there?
Thanks
Paul
...nextcloud? sorry, couldn't resist. IMHO, owncloud et al is just fine, nextcloud has the "advance" that a lot of addon developers migrated from owncloud to nextcloud, the available addons are much better (in my personal opinion). but of course if carddav/caldav is really all you need then nextcloud's just as much overkill as owncloud. Cheers MH -- Mathias Homann Senior Systems Engineer, IT Consultant. IT Trainer Mathias.Homann@openSUSE.org http://www.tuxonline.tech gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102
Op dinsdag 28 augustus 2018 18:01:17 CEST schreef Paul Groves:
Hi all,
I am looking to remove owncloud (as I do not actually use it apart from calendars and contacts).
What is a good CalDAV / CardDAV server? My main requirement is the ability to share calendars between users.
What suggestions are there?
Thanks
Paul Why not just use owncloud/nextcloud for just that?
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OK So a big thank you to Per for helping me get SoGo mostly running, I learnt a lot from it. Unfortunately I have decided to drop SoGo because it is completely lacking in descent documentation and is just taking too much time to get running properly. I have decided to take the majority recommendation and use NextCloud instead. I have managed to easily set this up in about 2 hours, due partly to my experience with owncloud but mostly due to the fantastic documentation on the Nextcloud website. So I have got as far as a functional and secured Nextcloud instance. Now for the tricky bit.. Is there a way of migrating calendars and contact lists from owncloud? Short of having to export them all in Thunderbird and importing on the NextCloud calendar screen. Which last time I did this when updating the old owncloud server, lots of the event metadata was missing and took me 3 hours to manually edit all the events and add it all back. To summarise: I am looking for the correct way to migrate calendars and address books to NextCloud from Owncloud. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Paul Groves wrote:
OK So a big thank you to Per for helping me get SoGo mostly running, I learnt a lot from it.
Unfortunately I have decided to drop SoGo because it is completely lacking in descent documentation and is just taking too much time to get running properly.
Yeah, that is a problem with SOGo, I agree. The learning curve is pretty steep. Thanks for trying :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/10/18 19:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
OK So a big thank you to Per for helping me get SoGo mostly running, I learnt a lot from it.
Unfortunately I have decided to drop SoGo because it is completely lacking in descent documentation and is just taking too much time to get running properly.
Yeah, that is a problem with SOGo, I agree. The learning curve is pretty steep. Thanks for trying :-)
I would love to get it running at some point. Thanks for all the pointers, I have kept a not of everything and will come back to it at some point. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Paul Groves wrote:
On 10/10/18 19:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
OK So a big thank you to Per for helping me get SoGo mostly running, I learnt a lot from it.
Unfortunately I have decided to drop SoGo because it is completely lacking in descent documentation and is just taking too much time to get running properly.
Yeah, that is a problem with SOGo, I agree. The learning curve is pretty steep. Thanks for trying :-)
I would love to get it running at some point. Thanks for all the pointers, I have kept a not of everything and will come back to it at some point.
FWIW, I have had a running system since mid-2015. I've upgraded once, the next one is overdue. The system serves myself, my family and two customers. Getting SOGOo to work with e.g. Outlook is a little tricky, but it works. I have a new customer getting to migrate about 40 people, we'll see how that goes. What sold me on SOGo initially was the number of large institutions using it - universities and such. The webmail interface is nice too, although I'm not sure if we should get rid of roundcube or not. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/10/18 07:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
On 10/10/18 19:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
OK So a big thank you to Per for helping me get SoGo mostly running, I learnt a lot from it.
Unfortunately I have decided to drop SoGo because it is completely lacking in descent documentation and is just taking too much time to get running properly. Yeah, that is a problem with SOGo, I agree. The learning curve is pretty steep. Thanks for trying :-)
I would love to get it running at some point. Thanks for all the pointers, I have kept a not of everything and will come back to it at some point.
FWIW, I have had a running system since mid-2015. I've upgraded once, the next one is overdue. The system serves myself, my family and two customers. Getting SOGOo to work with e.g. Outlook is a little tricky, but it works. I have a new customer getting to migrate about 40 people, we'll see how that goes.
What sold me on SOGo initially was the number of large institutions using it - universities and such. The webmail interface is nice too, although I'm not sure if we should get rid of roundcube or not.
Just been playing with my new Nextcloud installation. It comes with a fairly nice webmail interface. I need to set up my mail server at some point. Although my ISP is PlusNet and it appears they have blacklisted all their dynamic IPs. When I sent email to Outlook or hotmail I just get bounced back messages. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Paul Groves wrote:
On 11/10/18 07:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
On 10/10/18 19:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
OK So a big thank you to Per for helping me get SoGo mostly running, I learnt a lot from it.
Unfortunately I have decided to drop SoGo because it is completely lacking in descent documentation and is just taking too much time to get running properly. Yeah, that is a problem with SOGo, I agree. The learning curve is pretty steep. Thanks for trying :-)
I would love to get it running at some point. Thanks for all the pointers, I have kept a not of everything and will come back to it at some point.
FWIW, I have had a running system since mid-2015. I've upgraded once, the next one is overdue. The system serves myself, my family and two customers. Getting SOGOo to work with e.g. Outlook is a little tricky, but it works. I have a new customer getting to migrate about 40 people, we'll see how that goes.
What sold me on SOGo initially was the number of large institutions using it - universities and such. The webmail interface is nice too, although I'm not sure if we should get rid of roundcube or not.
Just been playing with my new Nextcloud installation. It comes with a fairly nice webmail interface.
Yes, I saw someone mention that the other day, it surprised me. For webmail, we settled on roundcube a few years back, it's been doing a good job.
I need to set up my mail server at some point. Although my ISP is PlusNet and it appears they have blacklisted all their dynamic IPs. When I sent email to Outlook or hotmail I just get bounced back messages.
Yeah, running a mailserver on a dynamic range can be a bit "tricky". PlusNet probably offer a smarthost ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/10/2018 10.19, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
I need to set up my mail server at some point. Although my ISP is PlusNet and it appears they have blacklisted all their dynamic IPs. When I sent email to Outlook or hotmail I just get bounced back messages.
Yeah, running a mailserver on a dynamic range can be a bit "tricky". PlusNet probably offer a smarthost ?
And they may be blocking port 25. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/10/2018 10.19, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
I need to set up my mail server at some point. Although my ISP is PlusNet and it appears they have blacklisted all their dynamic IPs. When I sent email to Outlook or hotmail I just get bounced back messages.
Yeah, running a mailserver on a dynamic range can be a bit "tricky". PlusNet probably offer a smarthost ?
And they may be blocking port 25.
As far as we can tell from what Paul wrote, that is not the case, but it depends on the bounce reason. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/10/18 13:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/10/2018 10.19, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
I need to set up my mail server at some point. Although my ISP is PlusNet and it appears they have blacklisted all their dynamic IPs. When I sent email to Outlook or hotmail I just get bounced back messages.
Yeah, running a mailserver on a dynamic range can be a bit "tricky". PlusNet probably offer a smarthost ?
And they may be blocking port 25.
As far as we can tell from what Paul wrote, that is not the case, but it depends on the bounce reason. Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
I am considering switching broadband provider but the problem is even if I buy fiber, I will still only get a 1.5Mbps upload speed. Anyone have any suggestions for a uk isp? I currently pay £10 per moth and have unlimited usage. 17-21Mbps download and 900kbps - 1.5Mbps upload -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/10/2018 23.02, Paul Groves wrote:
On 11/10/18 13:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/10/2018 10.19, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
I need to set up my mail server at some point. Although my ISP is PlusNet and it appears they have blacklisted all their dynamic IPs. When I sent email to Outlook or hotmail I just get bounced back messages.
Yeah, running a mailserver on a dynamic range can be a bit "tricky". PlusNet probably offer a smarthost ?
And they may be blocking port 25.
As far as we can tell from what Paul wrote, that is not the case, but it depends on the bounce reason. Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
I am considering switching broadband provider but the problem is even if I buy fiber, I will still only get a 1.5Mbps upload speed.
I get 300 Mbps both up and down, but dynamic (Spain). Soon to be upgraded to 600, same price.
Anyone have any suggestions for a uk isp?
I currently pay £10 per moth and have unlimited usage. 17-21Mbps download and 900kbps - 1.5Mbps upload
Those speeds suck. I believe that what some people do is hire a hosting service somewhere, to use as smarthost or relay. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 11/10/18 22:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/10/2018 23.02, Paul Groves wrote:
On 11/10/18 13:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/10/2018 10.19, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
I need to set up my mail server at some point. Although my ISP is PlusNet and it appears they have blacklisted all their dynamic IPs. When I sent email to Outlook or hotmail I just get bounced back messages.
Yeah, running a mailserver on a dynamic range can be a bit "tricky". PlusNet probably offer a smarthost ?
And they may be blocking port 25.
As far as we can tell from what Paul wrote, that is not the case, but it depends on the bounce reason. Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
I am considering switching broadband provider but the problem is even if I buy fiber, I will still only get a 1.5Mbps upload speed.
I get 300 Mbps both up and down, but dynamic (Spain). Soon to be upgraded to 600, same price.
Anyone have any suggestions for a uk isp?
I currently pay £10 per moth and have unlimited usage. 17-21Mbps download and 900kbps - 1.5Mbps upload
Those speeds suck. Tell me about it. In the UK broadband is a joke. Most people i have seen have 6mbps down 400k up unless you pay over the odds for a crap fiber (but not really fiber) connection.
Now considering it is ADSL2+ I think my connection speed is quite good. But I need to get a decent fiber connection soon. I have never had an issue with reliability but I would rather like to host all the sites I work on myself. I have had a phone call from plusnet with the amazing offer of fiber internet from plusnet! but you don't actually get a fiber cable to the property. Same old dodgy aluminium phone cable. (So in other words they increase the capped bandwidth). Also they said it would be up to 80Mbps but i should expect 40. So then I asked what would the upload speed be? They said 1Mbps!!! So I asked how much.. £39.99 per month. Plus phone line rental. I just laughed and hung up. Now I have considered a hired hosting service but I would not trust the security to be honest. Much better to have your own physical server in my opinion. For those of you who fancy a chuckle at BT, here is my incredibly fascinating broadband history: When I first moved here the phone line was crackly. and only 8Mbps down 720k up. We used this for a year or so then I got fed up with it when I got my PS3. I replaced all the extension wiring in the house with STP cable (after the master socket). made no difference to the crackling on the phone. But broadband was now 12mbps down 800k up. then U bought a BT i plate. Back before they came built in. It is basically a few capacitors - a very basic filtering circuit. Then my broadband was 15Mbps down 1.1 Mbps up. But the phone line was still crackly. Then I spend on and off 2 months on the phone to BT who finally agreed to send an engineer out. He replaced the master socket and also found a dodgy join outside the property which in his opinion was not done by BT. But as it was like that when we moved in he cut off the cable and put in a nice 2 feet of shielded copper cable, soldered it onto the aluminium line nice and properly. Then he replaced the trunking and waterproofed it. After all this. No crackling at all. Deadly silence on the line when there is no dial tone. And now I am up to my current speed. so yeah.. that is all. Any suggestions for ISP would be gladly welcomed.
I believe that what some people do is hire a hosting service somewhere, to use as smarthost or relay.
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On 11/10/2018 23:47, Paul Groves wrote:
Any suggestions for ISP would be gladly welcomed.
Good experiences: Bulldog. O2. Bad experiences: everyone else I tried. When Orange took over the same phone line and ADSL2 connection from O2, my speed halved, but they always claimed 8 Mbps was the fastest the line could do. The fact that it did 16 Mbps a month earlier was ignored. I think the answer seems to be to go with someone small with whom you can have a fairly personal relationship. Zen is highly-rated. So are A&A. Anyone big or with national advertising is to be avoided. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op donderdag 11 oktober 2018 23:14:18 CEST schreef Carlos E. R.:
On 11/10/2018 23.02, Paul Groves wrote:
On 11/10/18 13:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/10/2018 10.19, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote:
I need to set up my mail server at some point. Although my ISP is PlusNet and it appears they have blacklisted all their dynamic IPs. When I sent email to Outlook or hotmail I just get bounced back messages.
Yeah, running a mailserver on a dynamic range can be a bit "tricky". PlusNet probably offer a smarthost ?
And they may be blocking port 25.
As far as we can tell from what Paul wrote, that is not the case, but it depends on the bounce reason.
Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
I am considering switching broadband provider but the problem is even if I buy fiber, I will still only get a 1.5Mbps upload speed.
I get 300 Mbps both up and down, but dynamic (Spain). Soon to be upgraded to 600, same price.
Anyone have any suggestions for a uk isp?
I currently pay £10 per moth and have unlimited usage. 17-21Mbps download and 900kbps - 1.5Mbps upload
Those speeds suck.
I believe that what some people do is hire a hosting service somewhere, to use as smarthost or relay. Carlos, I think you pay more than £ 10 / month for that. Mine is 120 / 30 at €50 / month incl. basic TV ( €10,95). In the past I had 300/60 for €70 .
Paul, where are you located? -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2018-10-12 at 00:18 +0200, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op donderdag 11 oktober 2018 23:14:18 CEST schreef Carlos E. R.:
On 11/10/2018 23.02, Paul Groves wrote:
On 11/10/18 13:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/10/2018 10.19, Per Jessen wrote:
Paul Groves wrote: > I need to set up my mail server at some point. Although my ISP is > PlusNet and it appears they have blacklisted all their dynamic IPs. > When I sent email to Outlook or hotmail I just get bounced back > messages.
Yeah, running a mailserver on a dynamic range can be a bit "tricky". PlusNet probably offer a smarthost ?
And they may be blocking port 25.
As far as we can tell from what Paul wrote, that is not the case, but it depends on the bounce reason.
Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
I am considering switching broadband provider but the problem is even if I buy fiber, I will still only get a 1.5Mbps upload speed.
I get 300 Mbps both up and down, but dynamic (Spain). Soon to be upgraded to 600, same price.
Anyone have any suggestions for a uk isp?
I currently pay £10 per moth and have unlimited usage. 17-21Mbps download and 900kbps - 1.5Mbps upload
Those speeds suck.
I believe that what some people do is hire a hosting service somewhere, to use as smarthost or relay. Carlos, I think you pay more than £ 10 / month for that. Mine is 120 / 30 at €50 / month incl. basic TV ( €10,95). In the past I had 300/60 for €70 .
Sure, I pay more. I pay 100€/month, which includes TV (with on demand serials), internet (600mbps, measured this minute), fixed and mobile phone service (flat rate call to anywhere in Spain, SMS, and 10 GB cap on mobile). I can ask for a second mobile phone with a cap of 0.5 GB. In fact, I'm considering asking to reduce the speed and pay less. The trick here seems to be to request High Definition TV, maybe with sports. With fibre to the home. In my case they simply asked to do the change, they were keen on it. Then they stopped new installs for a year or so, and now they appear to be at it again. I was very happy because my ADSL was stuck at 1Mbps. Some people prefer ADSL, but they get 6..18 Mbps. Everything is not rosy colour, though. The router hangs now and then: my home server pings it every minute, and if it does not respond for 3 minutes I power cycle it via a remote controlled power strip (hoping that the switch integrated with the router still responds). All that costs money and effort. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlu/1CMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9X/DQCfSzvy4nH1E8gTPQcbxw+K1aXE 7dsAn25eqE82UIHVqRrSFSynXmxS8Mjv =4A42 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 11/10/18 23:02, Paul Groves wrote:
Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
Are you sure? My parents are with PlusNet and last time I checked it was £5 for a static IP, but AFAIR it was a one-off fee. I was still determined not to pay it because it just seems like handing over money for someone to click a mouse button once and change the setting. Because I SSH to their machine I have to rely on digging their current IP address out of their email headers. Somebody once posted a script or some other mail config here, to automatically send a mail with the current IP every x minutes, but all my flagged mailing list posts got covertly unflagged in a Thunderbird update and so I've no idea now which message that was in. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/10/2018 01.41, gumb wrote:
On 11/10/18 23:02, Paul Groves wrote:
Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
Are you sure? My parents are with PlusNet and last time I checked it was £5 for a static IP, but AFAIR it was a one-off fee. I was still determined not to pay it because it just seems like handing over money for someone to click a mouse button once and change the setting.
Because I SSH to their machine I have to rely on digging their current IP address out of their email headers. Somebody once posted a script or some other mail config here, to automatically send a mail with the current IP every x minutes, but all my flagged mailing list posts got covertly unflagged in a Thunderbird update and so I've no idea now which message that was in.
I do something similar but not exactly the same, with a cron job. I can dig it out for you later. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
gumb wrote:
On 11/10/18 23:02, Paul Groves wrote:
Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
Are you sure? My parents are with PlusNet and last time I checked it was £5 for a static IP, but AFAIR it was a one-off fee. I was still determined not to pay it because it just seems like handing over money for someone to click a mouse button once and change the setting.
It's a little more then a single click - you would be assigned a different range, they might even have to create a whois entry. Plusnet is most likely also paying to be a RIPE NCC member (a LIR), which will cost them about EUR1400/annum. £5 for a static IP, one-off - that's entirely reasonable. Even 5/month.
Because I SSH to their machine I have to rely on digging their current IP address out of their email headers.
You could set up an ssh tunnel or a vpn. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
gumb wrote:
On 11/10/18 23:02, Paul Groves wrote:
Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
Are you sure? My parents are with PlusNet and last time I checked it was £5 for a static IP, but AFAIR it was a one-off fee. I was still determined not to pay it because it just seems like handing over money for someone to click a mouse button once and change the setting.
It's a little more then a single click - you would be assigned a different range, they might even have to create a whois entry.
Plusnet is most likely also paying to be a RIPE NCC member (a LIR), which will cost them about EUR1400/annum. £5 for a static IP, one-off - that's entirely reasonable. Even 5/month.
I should add - for fixed IPv4. For fixed IPv6, a setup fee would be okay. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/10/2018 08.41, Per Jessen wrote:
gumb wrote:
On 11/10/18 23:02, Paul Groves wrote:
Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
Are you sure? My parents are with PlusNet and last time I checked it was £5 for a static IP, but AFAIR it was a one-off fee. I was still determined not to pay it because it just seems like handing over money for someone to click a mouse button once and change the setting.
It's a little more then a single click - you would be assigned a different range, they might even have to create a whois entry.
Plusnet is most likely also paying to be a RIPE NCC member (a LIR), which will cost them about EUR1400/annum. £5 for a static IP, one-off - that's entirely reasonable. Even 5/month.
That is for reverse DNS to work, or is it something different? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry#Local_Internet_regi... Local Internet registry A local Internet registry (LIR) is an organization that has been allocated a block of IP addresses by a RIR, and that assigns most parts of this block to its own customers.[9] Most LIRs are Internet service providers, enterprises, or academic institutions. Membership in a Regional Internet registry is required to become an LIR. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 12/10/2018 08.41, Per Jessen wrote:
gumb wrote:
On 11/10/18 23:02, Paul Groves wrote:
Blacklisted as spam ip was the reason. Trouble is my ip is dynamic and changes. They want £10 per month for a static ip though!
Are you sure? My parents are with PlusNet and last time I checked it was £5 for a static IP, but AFAIR it was a one-off fee. I was still determined not to pay it because it just seems like handing over money for someone to click a mouse button once and change the setting.
It's a little more then a single click - you would be assigned a different range, they might even have to create a whois entry.
Plusnet is most likely also paying to be a RIPE NCC member (a LIR), which will cost them about EUR1400/annum. £5 for a static IP, one-off - that's entirely reasonable. Even 5/month.
That is for reverse DNS to work, or is it something different?
It's just for a static IP address. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-10-12 08:41, Per Jessen wrote:
Plusnet is most likely also paying to be a RIPE NCC member (a LIR), which will cost them about EUR1400/annum. £5 for a static IP, one-off - that's entirely reasonable. Even 5/month.
You can buy a /24 for €2000-$4000. It's getting cheaper if the prefix is longer (/23 and so on). It's about €.65/IP-€1.3/IP/month the first year. You can also rent a /24 for about €200/year. Each IP-resource /16, /23 or whatever it is from RIPE-NCC cost you €50/year. Plusnet has 1095865 IPv4 addresses that they maintain in the RIPE-db. If half of them is used for static assignment and you pay €5 it's €2.7M/month. That's good bushiness. And the fee for being a LIR is a lot of other things. Request IPv4, IPv6, ASN. Use the RPKI-system etc. -- /bengan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/10/18 11:58, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2018-10-12 08:41, Per Jessen wrote:
Plusnet is most likely also paying to be a RIPE NCC member (a LIR), which will cost them about EUR1400/annum. £5 for a static IP, one-off - that's entirely reasonable. Even 5/month.
You can buy a /24 for €2000-$4000. It's getting cheaper if the prefix is longer (/23 and so on). It's about €.65/IP-€1.3/IP/month the first year. You can also rent a /24 for about €200/year. Each IP-resource /16, /23 or whatever it is from RIPE-NCC cost you €50/year.
Plusnet has 1095865 IPv4 addresses that they maintain in the RIPE-db. If half of them is used for static assignment and you pay €5 it's €2.7M/month. That's good bushiness.
And the fee for being a LIR is a lot of other things. Request IPv4, IPv6, ASN. Use the RPKI-system etc.
All I am looking for is IPv4. The problem I have with plusnet is that since BT took them over they cap the bandwidth at 17Mbps / 1.2Mbps. I then phone up and complain and they lift the cap. I am then back to 19.5Mbps ish and 1.5Mbps. This has happened 3 times now. They also keep toggling interleaving without me asking them and this can affect the bandwidth too. So I am looking for an ISP which is like plusnet was before BT took them over. It is a shame because I used to speak very highly of plusnet. It is probably best to go with a smaller provider? Someone mentioned bulldog. I can only seem to find various foreign websites with different currencies. Are they a UK ISP? The other point is fiber internet. A lot of companies sell you "fiber" but you never actually get a fiber cable run to the property. Now I have seen some people locally who had this done back in 2006 /2007. Although when I inquired I was told it uses the existing phone line. Which as I said before is a dodgy cheap aluminium cable only capable of about 40Mbps. Obviously this is not going to be any good. I checked with openreach and my exchange had been upgraded and uses fiber only. I actually asked an engineer working on it one day and he said that to switch someone to fiber it is just a setting on the computer. there is no physical connection change. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2018-10-12 08:41, Per Jessen wrote:
Plusnet is most likely also paying to be a RIPE NCC member (a LIR), which will cost them about EUR1400/annum. £5 for a static IP, one-off - that's entirely reasonable. Even 5/month.
You can buy a /24 for €2000-$4000. It's getting cheaper if the prefix is longer (/23 and so on). It's about €.65/IP-€1.3/IP/month the first year. You can also rent a /24 for about €200/year. Each IP-resource /16, /23 or whatever it is from RIPE-NCC cost you €50/year.
Are you talking about buying a range on the transfer market? My company is a LIR, to my knowledge there is no fee per resource per year, but I'll have to double check.
Plusnet has 1095865 IPv4 addresses that they maintain in the RIPE-db. If half of them is used for static assignment and you pay €5 it's €2.7M/month. That's good bushiness.
Certainly.
And the fee for being a LIR is a lot of other things. Request IPv4, IPv6, ASN. Use the RPKI-system etc.
It's a plain RIPE membership fee, actually. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.0°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-10-12 13:34, Per Jessen wrote:
Bengt Gördén wrote: Are you talking about buying a range on the transfer market? My company
Yes. My comment was about the statement that "€5/month" is reasonable. I don't find it particular reasonable. That's why I wrote those figures. In fact, if you break down the cost for every IP for an ISP it's quite small but they seems to think that they should get a few thousand percent in return.
is a LIR, to my knowledge there is no fee per resource per year, but I'll have to double check.
You have Service Fee (membership), Independent Internet Resources (PI/PA addresses, ASN), Legacy Internet Resources. Every spring and autumn there is a debate about who should pay what amount and for what. I really hate that meeting. It's always in late afternoon Wednesdays in the week of the RIPE-meeting. Actually, it's next week in Amsterdam, Hotel Okura so I should pack my bags and be on my way.
Plusnet has 1095865 IPv4 addresses that they maintain in the RIPE-db. If half of them is used for static assignment and you pay €5 it's €2.7M/month. That's good bushiness.
Certainly.
And the fee for being a LIR is a lot of other things. Request IPv4, IPv6, ASN. Use the RPKI-system etc.
It's a plain RIPE membership fee, actually.
Yes, it's a membership fee. But membership comes with a lot of other things than a cost for IPv4. That's extra. Membership gives you the right to vote in the general meeting, request resources, get service from NCC among other things. Cheers, -- /bengan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2018-10-12 13:34, Per Jessen wrote:
Bengt Gördén wrote: Are you talking about buying a range on the transfer market? My company
Yes. My comment was about the statement that "€5/month" is reasonable. I don't find it particular reasonable. That's why I wrote those figures.
The price is always determined by what the customer is willing to pay. The cost price is virtually irrelevant.
From a customer point of view, I find 5/month to be reasonable - just about the same price for a beer in a pub.
Every spring and autumn there is a debate about who should pay what amount and for what. I really hate that meeting. It's always in late afternoon Wednesdays in the week of the RIPE-meeting. Actually, it's next week in Amsterdam, Hotel Okura so I should pack my bags and be on my way.
We only participate remotely. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Paul, On 10.10.18 19:21, Paul Groves wrote:
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To summarise: I am looking for the correct way to migrate calendars and address books to NextCloud from Owncloud.
I agree with all the other list members that - for your usecase - it does not make any sense to move from ownCloud to Nextcloud. Best wishes Holger -- SUSE Linux GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, D-90409 Nürnberg GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) T: +49 (0) 911 74053-0, F: +49 (0) 911 74053-483
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