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Per Jessen

14 Dec 2016 14 Dec '16

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That was my thought too - you could run asterisk internally, but it's a bit of big gun for this.

And it is a target for attacks :-(

Everything is a target, but it's not a big deal - you get a lot of people trying to gain access to a SIP account, but it is so easily blocked. I've been running asterisk as our telephone system for at least 8 years. For Roger's purpose though, it's far too much effort to set up, I would say.

I might play again with asterisk, I would like to install it again. But I only played on a LAN. Facing outside I think it is bombarded by script kiddies.

Yes it will be eventually. There isn't really any reason for you to have it open externally, unless you want/need - IAX connections (can be useful for some public gateways) external SIP provider (for real numbers for instance). external devices The script kiddies (and more serious people) will be banging down your port 5060, but that's taken care with a good sip config and some rate control. Maybe fail2ban. When I was setting up offices for my company about ten years ago, at first I bought a 2nd hand telephone exchange (PABX) including telephones. I quickly found out that everything you needed was tied into software licenses and extra cost, so after spending Christmas setting up asterisk, I sold it all again and never looked back. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.

14 Dec 14 Dec

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I might play again with asterisk, I would like to install it again. But I only played on a LAN. Facing outside I think it is bombarded by script kiddies.

Yes it will be eventually. There isn't really any reason for you to have it open externally, unless you want/need -

IAX connections (can be useful for some public gateways) external SIP provider (for real numbers for instance). external devices

Want as in "playing" ;-)

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The script kiddies (and more serious people) will be banging down your port 5060, but that's taken care with a good sip config and some rate control. Maybe fail2ban.

When I was setting up offices for my company about ten years ago, at first I bought a 2nd hand telephone exchange (PABX) including telephones. I quickly found out that everything you needed was tied into software licenses and extra cost, so after spending Christmas setting up asterisk, I sold it all again and never looked back.

Yes, for an office I can very well imagine that. I played with asterisk during a training course with a group, and I found it was a wonderful tool. We had cisco telephones. My ISP changed my copper line into fibre, and now the phones in the house talk into a little box connected to the fibre named "the ONT", which does the translation to a SIP network. But they don't publish the specifications to this wonderful setup, they want people to think service is the same as it was and charge for every service. People hack the configuration and add VoIP phones, so that they can, for instance, take a call to the house on the mobile hundreds of kilometres away from the house at cost zero. Then the phone company changes something and it stops working for some time. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlhRAJ0ACgkQja8UbcUWM1xcAgD+Nn8C1gy50STHANXtwhRfIPuK FqZOiOcBbGZELb8MXYYA/0Ymh9v/WUtRlecrZJONeINXGIXtSumgmFKmaqdXA3Tx =Z8TD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

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The script kiddies (and more serious people) will be banging down your port 5060, but that's taken care with a good sip config and some rate control. Maybe fail2ban.

When I was setting up offices for my company about ten years ago, at first I bought a 2nd hand telephone exchange (PABX) including telephones. I quickly found out that everything you needed was tied into software licenses and extra cost, so after spending Christmas setting up asterisk, I sold it all again and never looked back.

Yes, for an office I can very well imagine that.

I played with asterisk during a training course with a group, and I found it was a wonderful tool. We had cisco telephones.

ISTR playing with a set of Cisco DECT phones (not Linksys, maybe 7925 ?) I got cheaply off someone, but there was also a licensing issue.

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My ISP changed my copper line into fibre, and now the phones in the house talk into a little box connected to the fibre named "the ONT", which does the translation to a SIP network. But they don't publish the specifications to this wonderful setup, they want people to think service is the same as it was and charge for every service.

Yes, same here. I can't blame them, it's a business, I would do the same. We're moving away from Swisscom because the new VoIP setup would require us to also have Swisscom internet, which is superfluous. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

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My ISP changed my copper line into fibre, and now the phones in the house talk into a little box connected to the fibre named "the ONT", which does the translation to a SIP network. But they don't publish the specifications to this wonderful setup, they want people to think service is the same as it was and charge for every service.

Yes, same here. I can't blame them, it's a business, I would do the same. We're moving away from Swisscom because the new VoIP setup would require us to also have Swisscom internet, which is superfluous.

But they could offer a plethora of new services and become a VoIP operator. Some of us would appreciate it even for a suitable charge. But being them, they would be too greedy. I'm surprised that there are no VoIP apparently in the market offering services. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlhRDGwACgkQja8UbcUWM1wMngD8CsV9iGOwFAS3/ID6EKXR28Zy o09XJoo2SrdEDF933JgA/ApX3CIrRIOjzrrYE3VzM8ZdQlTIMIMuCZ6rjv/nLIf3 =8D5/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

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My ISP changed my copper line into fibre, and now the phones in the house talk into a little box connected to the fibre named "the ONT", which does the translation to a SIP network. But they don't publish the specifications to this wonderful setup, they want people to think service is the same as it was and charge for every service.

Yes, same here. I can't blame them, it's a business, I would do the same. We're moving away from Swisscom because the new VoIP setup would require us to also have Swisscom internet, which is superfluous.

But they could offer a plethora of new services and become a VoIP operator.

Essentially that is what they long have been anyway, it's only just reaching the customer now. Internally, VoIP with Asterisk gives me some nice added features, but externally I have not yet seen anything new. Only less in fact - T38 fax will apparently disappear.

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I'm surprised that there are no VoIP apparently in the market offering services.

What do you mean? Other VoIP operators? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

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I'm surprised that there are no VoIP apparently in the market offering services.

What do you mean? Other VoIP operators?

People running asterisk, really. I Spain, I mean. There are some, some time ago that I searched, but the information was unclear and seemed shady. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlhRDz8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1wlZQD/ZjYuWwC1OLKMw4/cD1mAeX82 z0PmgP2m0fc1KYVG/+0BAIQxMHOdGePwoHJ7oNzs88u7BVB5uAwJDDjOPAuv6fWk =nteV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I'm surprised that there are no VoIP apparently in the market offering services.

What do you mean? Other VoIP operators?

People running asterisk, really. I Spain, I mean. There are some, some time ago that I searched, but the information was unclear and seemed shady.

I'm still not quite clear about what you mean, but it sounds like you're talking about a provider running asterisk and offering SIP services as a for-a-fee service? It probably depends on how liberated your telecomms market is _and_ how cooperative your current national telco is. We have a few of those here - big and small. My home number is being ported to one of the smaller ones beginning of January, so all my private telephony will be VoIP only. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.0°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

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What do you mean? Other VoIP operators?

People running asterisk, really. I Spain, I mean. There are some, some time ago that I searched, but the information was unclear and seemed shady.

I'm still not quite clear about what you mean, but it sounds like you're talking about a provider running asterisk and offering SIP services as a for-a-fee service? It probably depends on how liberated your telecomms market is _and_ how cooperative your current national telco is.

That's right. The market is liberated, but that only matters when you want to place a call to a "normal" phone line.

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We have a few of those here - big and small. My home number is being ported to one of the smaller ones beginning of January, so all my private telephony will be VoIP only.

Interesting. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlhROgIACgkQja8UbcUWM1wRfQEAhIFOKw6OaFv1pvTfkJH9vNkW OHwbEsR0aTo79Jq50xQA/RovrBnjyQqslRVfHSv9gzkPmEi6mwGoUjOEBNzP9q/O =3b4P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

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We have a few of those here - big and small. My home number is

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being ported to one of the smaller ones beginning of January, so all my private telephony will be VoIP only. Interesting.

That must be one of those weird Spain things. ;-) There are several VoIP providers in Canada. However, I seem to recall reading a while ago, there's one country where VoIP is illegal. I assume that's to protect the government owned phone company. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

13:39

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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What do you mean? Other VoIP operators?

People running asterisk, really. I Spain, I mean. There are some, some time ago that I searched, but the information was unclear and seemed shady.

I'm still not quite clear about what you mean, but it sounds like you're talking about a provider running asterisk and offering SIP services as a for-a-fee service? It probably depends on how liberated your telecomms market is _and_ how cooperative your current national telco is.

That's right. The market is liberated, but that only matters when you want to place a call to a "normal" phone line.

And receive calls from ditto. It's important for anyone wanting to move in on the general telephony market. If you can't port regular numbers from the incumbent telco, it's a very difficult sell. "uh no, you can't call any POTS number".

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We have a few of those here - big and small. My home number is being ported to one of the smaller ones beginning of January, so all my private telephony will be VoIP only.

Interesting.

It's quite typical for smaller cable operators (we have a few of those too, local/regional) to run a telephone service, including porting of numbers from Swisscom. Especially now where analogue and ISDN services are being switched off. We are using http://www.sipcall.ch/ - other companies offering VoIP services: green.ch upc.ch iway.ch gga.ch netstream.ch -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.2°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

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That's right. The market is liberated, but that only matters when you want to place a call to a "normal" phone line.

And receive calls from ditto. It's important for anyone wanting to move in on the general telephony market. If you can't port regular numbers from the incumbent telco, it's a very difficult sell. "uh no, you can't call any POTS number".

Ah, yes, true. This moment I was only considering making calls to "geeks" likely minded. After all, the POTS company gives me free calls to the entire Spain, so VoIP would be an auxiliary phone for playing with. But I do see your point, yes. To offer services on the market making and receiving calls to/from numbers is mandatory. Also important is to be able to place a call, say, to Canada to a POTS number and make the change to land line only in Canada, so that traject is a local phone call and dirt cheap. Ie, make the long traject on VoIp and the final branch on copper. In my case, I just have to convince someone to install hangout and use it!

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We have a few of those here - big and small. My home number is being ported to one of the smaller ones beginning of January, so all my private telephony will be VoIP only.

Interesting.

It's quite typical for smaller cable operators (we have a few of those too, local/regional) to run a telephone service, including porting of numbers from Swisscom. Especially now where analogue and ISDN services are being switched off.

We are using http://www.sipcall.ch/ - other companies offering VoIP services:

green.ch upc.ch iway.ch gga.ch netstream.ch

You have a few, I see. The problem I see in Spain is that Internet is only offered by phone companies. It is impossible to get Internet without a phone line being included in the packet. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlhRd0IACgkQja8UbcUWM1yyAwD8D6kP7s2VC0b1PNRSt6XuEVAR IZm+Vu2qwxeegyrxirQA+wWKfsrN6rG5hC5CXRP2LzcnlfDhVtEU4WZmUKlD8Cy/ =lRMG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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That's right. The market is liberated, but that only matters when you want to place a call to a "normal" phone line.

And receive calls from ditto. It's important for anyone wanting to move in on the general telephony market. If you can't port regular numbers from the incumbent telco, it's a very difficult sell. "uh no, you can't call any POTS number".

Ah, yes, true. This moment I was only considering making calls to "geeks" likely minded. After all, the POTS company gives me free calls to the entire Spain, so VoIP would be an auxiliary phone for playing with.

But I do see your point, yes. To offer services on the market making and receiving calls to/from numbers is mandatory. Also important is to be able to place a call, say, to Canada to a POTS number and make the change to land line only in Canada, so that traject is a local phone call and dirt cheap. Ie, make the long traject on VoIp and the final branch on copper.

With a SIP-provider, that call is most likely dirt cheap anyway and you will be on IP all the way until the last mile. With sipcall.ch, Canada is 4.9Rp/minute. Same as a call to any country in Europe.

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We have a few of those here - big and small. My home number is being ported to one of the smaller ones beginning of January, so all my private telephony will be VoIP only.

Interesting.

It's quite typical for smaller cable operators (we have a few of those too, local/regional) to run a telephone service, including porting of numbers from Swisscom. Especially now where analogue and ISDN services are being switched off.

We are using http://www.sipcall.ch/ - other companies offering VoIP services:

green.ch upc.ch iway.ch gga.ch netstream.ch

You have a few, I see.

The problem I see in Spain is that Internet is only offered by phone companies. It is impossible to get Internet without a phone line being included in the packet.

There is clearly some way to go in the liberation of the Spanish telecoms market. We have some 300 internet access providers :-) plus the big ones such as Swisscom, Sunrise and Cablecom/UPC. If you want to be an internet provider in Switzerland: a) get yourself an uplink provider. b) sign a contract with Swisscom for them to sell xDSL to you. c) configure your router. d) start selling. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Christopher Myers

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When I was setting up offices for my company about ten years ago, at first I bought a 2nd hand telephone exchange (PABX) including telephones. I quickly found out that everything you needed was tied into software licenses and extra cost, so after spending Christmas setting up asterisk, I sold it all again and never looked back.

What about tying it into Google Voice, or some other similar service? That's what I've done at home, and it works splendidly :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

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When I was setting up offices for my company about ten years ago, at first I bought a 2nd hand telephone exchange (PABX) including telephones. I quickly found out that everything you needed was tied into software licenses and extra cost, so after spending Christmas setting up asterisk, I sold it all again and never looked back.

What about tying it into Google Voice, or some other similar service? That's what I've done at home, and it works splendidly :)

No idea what Google Voice is, and when I go to http://voice.google.com/, I get redirected to some google hangout support page :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Christopher Myers

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Per Jessen 12/14/16 9:22 AM >>> Christopher Myers wrote:

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When I was setting up offices for my company about ten years ago, at first I bought a 2nd hand telephone exchange (PABX) including telephones. I quickly found out that everything you needed was tied into software licenses and extra cost, so after spending Christmas setting up asterisk, I sold it all again and never looked back.

What about tying it into Google Voice, or some other similar service? That's what I've done at home, and it works splendidly :)

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No idea what Google Voice is, and when I go to http://voice.google.com/, I get redirected to some google hangout support page :-

Here's more info about Google Voice in general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Voice These are the URLs I'd saved when I set up my server: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Calling+using+Google http://pbxinaflash.com/community/threads/gotcha-free-pbx-google-voice.16476/ http://jermsmit.com/google-voice-setup-on-freepbx-and-asterisk-version-11/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

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When I was setting up offices for my company about ten years ago, at first I bought a 2nd hand telephone exchange (PABX) including telephones. I quickly found out that everything you needed was tied into software licenses and extra cost, so after spending Christmas setting up asterisk, I sold it all again and never looked back.

What about tying it into Google Voice, or some other similar service? That's what I've done at home, and it works splendidly :)

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No idea what Google Voice is, and when I go to http://voice.google.com/, I get redirected to some google hangout support page :-

Here's more info about Google Voice in general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Voice

"Service establishment requires a United States telephone number". Assuming I didn't grab that out of context, that would explain why Google Voice isn't of much interest here :-) For a free SIP account with a local number in Switzerland, go to http://www.sipcall.ch/ Most local/regional cable operators here also have free calls within their network. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Christopher Myers

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Per Jessen 12/14/16 10:15 AM >>> Christopher Myers wrote:

"Service establishment requires a United States telephone number".

Assuming I didn't grab that out of context, that would explain why Google Voice isn't of much interest here :-)

AAaaahhh....that would explain it... I *assumed* that since I could call internationally using GV, then I could get a number there too... ......assume..... :/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

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On December 14, 2016 10:21:57 AM EST, Per Jessen wrote: Christopher Myers wrote: When I was setting up offices for my company about ten years ago, at first I bought a 2nd hand telephone exchange (PABX) including telephones. I quickly found out that everything you needed was tied into software licenses and extra cost, so after spending Christmas setting up asterisk, I sold it all again and never looked back. What about tying it into Google Voice, or some other similar service? That's what I've done at home, and it works splendidly :) No idea what Google Voice is, and when I go to http://voice.google.com/, I get redirected to some google hangout support page :-) Hangouts has replaced Google Voice. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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