[opensuse] Running X entirely via Bumblebee
Hello folks, My wife's laptop has an optimus type graphics hardware. It has both an onboard Intel and also a discrete Nvidia card. It has installed OS 13.2 stock KDE. This installation only accesses the intel card - the only current way to access the Nvidia card is by using the Bumblebee package. However, I want to use only the Nvidia card and bypass the intel card (as if the laptop only had the nVidia card). I have read how to install the Bumblebee package and Nvidia drivers. But I have not yet installed Bumblebee nor any Nvidia drivers - it's the initial install setup only (using nouveau). I have found on the SDB, OS forums, etc: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_Bumblebee opensuse.org/showthread.php/505270-ultimate-tutorial-installing-Bumblebee-driver-for-SUSE http://smithfarm-thebrain.blogspot.cz/2013/10/opensuse-131-nvidia-optimus-bu... but these only give instructions on how to run a single application via optirun (from the command line). There is one thread on the OS forums (from 12 pages of a "bumblebee" search), that gives instructions on how to get an entire KDE session running via bumblebee/Nvidia: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/490813-Bumblebee-Run-entire-KDE-s... My question is, will non KDE programs such as Thunderbird, Firefox, etc use the Nvidia driver or will they run with the Intel driver? The forum thread gives instructions for running the KDE session, but I'm doubting whether the entire X-session will run via the Nvidia driver (when using optirun all other programs use the integrated intel graphics). That forum thread is from 2013/2014. Does anyone know of more recent information on this subject? Thanks in advance, Gustav. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Čt 23. července 2015 01:32:29, Gustav Degreef napsal(a):
Hello folks,
My wife's laptop has an optimus type graphics hardware. It has both an onboard Intel and also a discrete Nvidia card. It has installed OS 13.2 stock KDE. This installation only accesses the intel card - the only current way to access the Nvidia card is by using the Bumblebee package. However, I want to use only the Nvidia card and bypass the intel card (as if the laptop only had the nVidia card).
Hello, what brand is it? Can You set in BIOS which card to use? If not, I'm afraid this is sometimes not possible. I'm not sure about exact reason, but at least for some models because of HW construction, the primary graphical output must go through Intel graphics. Someone more skilled can give You better explanation. I was looking for same solution and I realized it is impossible, at least for my case (HP envy dv6). Sorry for bad news, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On 07/23/2015 08:53 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Hello folks,
My wife's laptop has an optimus type graphics hardware. It has both an onboard Intel and also a discrete Nvidia card. It has installed OS 13.2 stock KDE. This installation only accesses the intel card - the only current way to access the Nvidia card is by using the Bumblebee package. However, I want to use only the Nvidia card and bypass the intel card (as if the laptop only had the nVidia card). Hello, what brand is it? Can You set in BIOS which card to use? If not, I'm afraid
Dne ÄŒt 23. Äervence 2015 01:32:29, Gustav Degreef napsal(a): this is sometimes not possible. I'm not sure about exact reason, but at least for some models because of HW construction, the primary graphical output must go through Intel graphics. Someone more skilled can give You better explanation. I was looking for same solution and I realized it is impossible, at least for my case (HP envy dv6). Sorry for bad news, VojtÄ›ch
Thanks for your mail. My wife's is a Lenovo Thinkpad T440p. I never thought to look at the bios to disable the Intel onboard chip. I'll check it out later tonight. Gustav. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/23/2015 08:53 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Hello folks,
My wife's laptop has an optimus type graphics hardware. It has both an onboard Intel and also a discrete Nvidia card. It has installed OS 13.2 stock KDE. This installation only accesses the intel card - the only current way to access the Nvidia card is by using the Bumblebee package. However, I want to use only the Nvidia card and bypass the intel card (as if the laptop only had the nVidia card). Hello, what brand is it? Can You set in BIOS which card to use? If not, I'm afraid
Dne ÄŒt 23. Äervence 2015 01:32:29, Gustav Degreef napsal(a): this is sometimes not possible. I'm not sure about exact reason, but at least for some models because of HW construction, the primary graphical output must go through Intel graphics. Someone more skilled can give You better explanation. I was looking for same solution and I realized it is impossible, at least for my case (HP envy dv6). Sorry for bad news, VojtÄ›ch Hi Vojtech,
I checked the BIOS, but there is no possible configuration of the Intel or the nVidia card. I looked at the Wikipedia article. Do you have nay links for information more recent than the OS forums thread I(2013/2014) I mentioned? Thanks, Gustav -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne So 25. července 2015 17:59:52, Gustav Degreef napsal(a):
On 07/23/2015 08:53 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne ÄŒt 23. Äervence 2015 01:32:29, Gustav Degreef napsal(a):
Hello folks,
My wife's laptop has an optimus type graphics hardware. It has both an onboard Intel and also a discrete Nvidia card. It has installed OS 13.2 stock KDE. This installation only accesses the intel card - the only current way to access the Nvidia card is by using the Bumblebee package. However, I want to use only the Nvidia card and bypass the intel card (as if the laptop only had the nVidia card).
Hello, what brand is it? Can You set in BIOS which card to use? If not, I'm afraid this is sometimes not possible. I'm not sure about exact reason, but at least for some models because of HW construction, the primary graphical output must go through Intel graphics. Someone more skilled can give You better explanation. I was looking for same solution and I realized it is impossible, at least for my case (HP envy dv6). Sorry for bad news, Vojtěch
Hi Vojtech,
I checked the BIOS, but there is no possible configuration of the Intel or the nVidia card. I looked at the Wikipedia article. Do you have nay links for information more recent than the OS forums thread I(2013/2014) I mentioned? Thanks, Gustav
Hi, I have only this reference: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_Bumblebee It worked for me on 13.1/13.2. But it doesn't solve Your problem... It works for particular application, but not for whole system, KDE, whatever. On release party of latest Fedora (in Prague), one of developers mentioned they are working on new Linux implementation of Optimus as they don't like Bumblebee for some technical reasons. But of course I have no idea when it will be ready and I have no written reference or link... There were some discussions about that topic in the list previously: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-12/msg00078.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-06/msg00405.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-10/msg00924.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-08/msg00139.html Good luck, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On 07/25/2015 06:27 PM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
snip Hi, I have only this reference: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_Bumblebee It worked for me on 13.1/13.2. But it doesn't solve Your problem... It works for particular application, but not for whole system, KDE, whatever. On release party of latest Fedora (in Prague), one of developers mentioned they are working on new Linux implementation of Optimus as they don't like Bumblebee for some technical reasons. But of course I have no idea when it will be ready and I have no written reference or link... There were some discussions about that topic in the list previously: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-12/msg00078.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-06/msg00405.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-10/msg00924.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-08/msg00139.html Good luck, Vojtěch
Thanks, Gustav. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-07-23 01:32, Gustav Degreef wrote:
but these only give instructions on how to run a single application via optirun (from the command line).
I can't believe this is correct. The entire display runs either on the Nvidia hardware and driver, or runs entirely on Intel hardware and driver. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 07/24/2015 02:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-07-23 01:32, Gustav Degreef wrote:
but these only give instructions on how to run a single application via optirun (from the command line). I can't believe this is correct. The entire display runs either on the Nvidia hardware and driver, or runs entirely on Intel hardware and driver.
I don't know how the hardware works. What i posted is what I deciphered from the large number of pages I read on the subject. I can believe that you know much better since you post a great deal here and I really appreciate your posts. But I don't grasp what you're getting at. Gustav -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Pá 24. července 2015 02:09:07, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
On 2015-07-23 01:32, Gustav Degreef wrote:
but these only give instructions on how to run a single application via optirun (from the command line).
I can't believe this is correct. The entire display runs either on the Nvidia hardware and driver, or runs entirely on Intel hardware and driver.
I don't know technical details, but as far as I know, Gustav is right. General graphical output is done through Intel and only particular selected applications are using Nvidia. Might be for some models it is just limitation of current Bumblebee... At least for many models. Some can switch whole output. Some can set usage permanently in BIOS. Lenovo could be able to do so. Technical details are http://www.nvidia.com/object/optimus_technology.html and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus but I didn't go through it... Good luck, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
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Dne Pá 24. července 2015 02:09:07, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
I don't know technical details, but as far as I know, Gustav is right. General graphical output is done through Intel and only particular selected applications are using Nvidia.
Yes, you are right. The wikipedia article explains this. And in Linux, this is not automatic, but via calling an application via certain command. I'm quite surprised; I had read the article before, but this "detail" did not sink in :-( - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWyJOYACgkQja8UbcUWM1xK3AEAjE6cqicIqB4KMRMBq8KB4eAq on1QSvhHLIk/FgesKBAA/i36XwuxWsgiuw4JzC8pWqb+sDRPAcLoOQQGKnLWyLDx =GdSi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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