On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 19:18:58 +0200
Richard Brown <RBrownCCB(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
On 20 September 2017 at 18:39, Dave Howorth
I think the problem here is the approach that has
been taken to
"sell" the decision to the great unwashed (i.e. me and others).
There's been no attempt to explain or persuade at all.
Besides every single post I've made on these threads..
With respect, I've just reread every post you've made on this topic and
I wouldn't characterise any of them as attempting to persuade people at
all. You have done some explanation, you've made some outright attacks.
I first heard
about this upcoming change at the beginning of the
Killing ReiserFS thread. Maybe I should have known earlier but as
far as possible I just use openSUSE and following this list is as
far as I go in keeping in touch.
If you are interested in openSUSE, you should really read our actual
news sources then, such as:
I'm sorry, I don't do social media.
I see that the lizards site does have an RSS feed so I've added it to
my reader to see whether there's enough content there I want to read.
That's a post about YaST, which is part of the situation with respect
to ReiserFS but not the whole story, and it's clear that post isn't
unambiguous enough for everybody to have understood the same thing from
This is 100% NOT the right place to learn ANYTHING
about openSUSE News
opensuse(a)opensuse.org is our support mailinglist.
And as such I consider it entirely reasonable to ask questions about
what I'm going to have to do to upgrade my system. In fact your reply
was to an email in which I asked some questions, which you chose to
ignore and even delete from your reply! I'll repeat them:
(1) Is YaST going to suggest that you migrate a reiserfs filesystem to
something else or is it going to refuse to continue the upgrade until
you have done so? (for data, not root)
(2) Is that all filesystems on all disks, or just those in the fstab?
(3) Is the kernel still going to support reiserfs?
(4) What mechanisms are available for conversion, and are there any that
do not require me to buy extra hardware? (i.e. use extra space)
Now I may think I know the answer to some of those questions, but it
doesn't pay either me or you to assume I do, and it's absolutely clear
that not everbody in this conversation has the same answers in mind, so
I'd really appreciate explicit answers. And as I already said, one
answer, possibly the best, would be a link to a place that already
explains the answers to those questions.
The only thing readers can regularly expect to learn
here is about
broken stuff and user mistakes.
That is the purpose of this list.
And helping people avoid future mistakes should be part of that.
Criticising people for decisions they've already made is not usually
the best way to support them.
The openSUSE Project actively discourages the misuse
mailinglists for other purposes, so we will never abuse this list by
posting our news announcements here.
I now understand why the change is being made but
I still don't
understand exactly what is going to happen, despite asking.
Then ask in the right place - This is a support mailinglist. If you're
interested in a development in YaST, then speak to our YaST team
As I explained above and in detail in my list of questions, my interest
is not YaST specifically, it's the overall support and capabilities
that will be in openSUSE 15.
Please, as a general reminder to everyone on this
list, stop treating
open source software generally and openSUSE specifically like some
product you've purchased.
Start treating it like a team you belong to - which in this case
means, do the effort required to read the contributors have been
dutifully publishing, and make use of their availability to contact
Don't expect them to be lurking here and replying to you. They
shouldn't be, this is a user support list, which therefore contains
posts that are 99% irrelevant for them 99% of the time. And that's how
it should be.
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