[opensuse] Not able to access any urls while connecting through VPN
Hi, I am using SUSE13.1 machine. I am working with a company where I need to connect to their network using VPN. I am able to connect to the links they gave to connect using VPN. Now the problem is, when I am getting connected through VPN, I am not able to access any public url other than their URLs. All connection are getting disconnected. I asked Network team, they said the issue is with my settings. How can I debug this problem and fix it ? When connected to VPN, below is what I am seeing : ========= linux-wzza:/home/arup # route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 0.0.0.0 10.10.146.18 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0 10.10.146.18 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 tun0 10.11.12.1 10.10.146.18 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 tun0 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 9 0 0 wlp2s0 192.168.101.0 10.10.146.18 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0 208.65.136.10 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 wlp2s0 208.65.140.0 10.10.146.18 255.255.252.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0 linux-wzza:/home/arup # =========== After running each command, I waited 1 min. But got no output, so cancelled by Ctrl + c and tried next : [arup@~]$ ping mother.iexposure.com PING mother.iexposure.com (192.168.101.2) 56(84) bytes of data. ^C --- mother.iexposure.com ping statistics --- 42 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 41327ms [arup@~]$ ping 192.168.101.2 PING 192.168.101.2 (192.168.101.2) 56(84) bytes of data. ^C --- 192.168.101.2 ping statistics --- 86 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 85004ms [arup@~]$ ping google.com PING google.com (216.58.196.110) 56(84) bytes of data. ^C --- google.com ping statistics --- 60 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 59442ms [arup@~]$ ping 216.58.216.206 PING 216.58.216.206 (216.58.216.206) 56(84) bytes of data. ^C --- 216.58.216.206 ping statistics --- 44 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 43344ms [arup@~]$ Please help me. -- ================ Regards, Arup Rakshit ================ Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. --Brian Kernighan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/02/2015 08:58 AM, Arup Rakshit wrote:
I am using SUSE13.1 machine. I am working with a company where I need to connect to their network using VPN. I am able to connect to the links they gave to connect using VPN. Now the problem is, when I am getting connected through VPN, I am not able to access any public url other than their URLs. All connection are getting disconnected. I asked Network team, they said the issue is with my settings. How can I debug this problem and fix it ?
That's not unusual. I also connect to customers through a VPN, and I can't browse the net once connected. If I were sitting on their network with my laptop, I would be able to access the net, but their VPN software does not allow access to non-local IP addresses. And, because when getting connected, I end up using the proxy software they supply, which makes all my connections go through the VPN, so I can't access the net from my local machine either. Therefore, I run the connection from a virtual machine inside of my local machine. Problem solved. But I still can't see the internet via their end. I suspect it is working as designed. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/02/2015 09:24 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 09/02/2015 08:58 AM, Arup Rakshit wrote:
I am using SUSE13.1 machine. I am working with a company where I need to connect to their network using VPN. I am able to connect to the links they gave to connect using VPN. Now the problem is, when I am getting connected through VPN, I am not able to access any public url other than their URLs. All connection are getting disconnected. I asked Network team, they said the issue is with my settings. How can I debug this problem and fix it ? That's not unusual. I also connect to customers through a VPN, and I can't browse the net once connected. If I were sitting on their network with my laptop, I would be able to access the net, but their VPN software does not allow access to non-local IP addresses.
And, because when getting connected, I end up using the proxy software they supply, which makes all my connections go through the VPN, so I can't access the net from my local machine either.
Therefore, I run the connection from a virtual machine inside of my local machine. Problem solved. But I still can't see the internet via their end.
I suspect it is working as designed.
+1 @John it seems normal for me too. If you are using OpenVPN (Free and Open source :) ) , there are two modes "Determining whether to use a routed or bridged VPN" See : https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html Dsant, from France -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 02.09.2015 um 17:58 schrieb Arup Rakshit:
I am using SUSE13.1 machine. I am working with a company where I need to connect to their network using VPN. I am able to connect to the links they gave to connect using VPN. Now the problem is, when I am getting connected through VPN, I am not able to access any public url other than their URLs. All connection are getting disconnected. I asked Network team, they said the issue is with my settings. How can I debug this problem and fix it ?
In case of NetworkManager, the VPN settings have a knob like "Use resources only for this network" which disables setting the default route to the VPN. In case of openvpn, there is some ip-up or route script which forces the default route. Edit the script to not set the default route. (I dont find it right now, perhaps its not in the openvpn package) Olaf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi. If the problem is related to the default gateway: https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/IgnoreRedirectGateway I also did have problems with OpenVPN and the SuseFirewall fitering, a test is to put the tun interface in the internal zone (if you trust the company on the other side of the VPN... ;-) ). Marco Il 03. 09. 15 16:55, Olaf Hering ha scritto:
Am 02.09.2015 um 17:58 schrieb Arup Rakshit:
I am using SUSE13.1 machine. I am working with a company where I need to connect to their network using VPN. I am able to connect to the links they gave to connect using VPN. Now the problem is, when I am getting connected through VPN, I am not able to access any public url other than their URLs. All connection are getting disconnected. I asked Network team, they said the issue is with my settings. How can I debug this problem and fix it ? In case of NetworkManager, the VPN settings have a knob like "Use resources only for this network" which disables setting the default route to the VPN. In case of openvpn, there is some ip-up or route script which forces the default route. Edit the script to not set the default route. (I dont find it right now, perhaps its not in the openvpn package)
Olaf
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On Thursday, September 03, 2015 04:55:45 PM Olaf Hering wrote:
Am 02.09.2015 um 17:58 schrieb Arup Rakshit:
I am using SUSE13.1 machine. I am working with a company where I need to connect to their network using VPN. I am able to connect to the links they gave to connect using VPN. Now the problem is, when I am getting connected through VPN, I am not able to access any public url other than their URLs. All connection are getting disconnected. I asked Network team, they said the issue is with my settings. How can I debug this problem and fix it ?
In case of NetworkManager, the VPN settings have a knob like "Use resources only for this network" which disables setting the default route to the VPN.
The above trick worked.
In case of openvpn, there is some ip-up or route script which forces the default route. Edit the script to not set the default route. (I dont find it right now, perhaps its not in the openvpn package)
Olaf
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The past development of KDE gives me the notion of it being slow. When I work in it and shift to a different application, the keyboard input is non responsive for up-to several seconds. I can hammer on the keyboard, and when the keys appear, there is lost keyboard input. Even if I merely hammer one key. My system is 4-cores, 3.5GHz, 16Gb system. Free shows me, there is amble memory left like 80%, and no swap usage. Prior I have had several "slow" motion experiences with KDE, but they have been mostly related to continuous "search" functions being implemented. Top does not show any such activity. CPU shows 1.7us activity, so not overloaded. In fact, about 5% CPU usage. I am not just seeing this in SuSE, in Ubuntu at work as well. KDE appears to be going down some bad development path. Anybody have an Idea what is going on? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 11:53 AM, Bjarne Örn Hansen wrote:
The past development of KDE gives me the notion of it being slow.
When I work in it and shift to a different application, the keyboard input is non responsive for up-to several seconds. I can hammer on the keyboard, and when the keys appear, there is lost keyboard input. Even if I merely hammer one key. My system is 4-cores, 3.5GHz, 16Gb system. Free shows me, there is amble memory left like 80%, and no swap usage.
Prior I have had several "slow" motion experiences with KDE, but they have been mostly related to continuous "search" functions being implemented. Top does not show any such activity. CPU shows 1.7us activity, so not overloaded. In fact, about 5% CPU usage.
I am not just seeing this in SuSE, in Ubuntu at work as well. KDE appears to be going down some bad development path.
Anybody have an Idea what is going on?
I don't know, but it is common here as well. The search you mention, is especially annoying, because the only way to run a command (the alt-f2 dropdown thing) uses search; when you enter a command it starts populating the list, but since you, at that point, haven't selected anything, the <enter> goes to waste and it doesn't do anything. I am too fast for it. I bet everyone is. I don't see why people use that or make it that way. It goes against anything that is natural. However, as a test here, whenever I alt-tab to KWrite, no input is ever lost. But, compared to Windows, there is definitely a sense of delay everywhere. Even the mouse/text cursor blink (text cursor blink) is too slow. You select a position in some text, and then you wonder if it will ever start blinking again. They should shave a few ms off, maybe like 20% less time for each interval. I never noticed before but I do now. I don't know what else, but especially the alt-f2 thing is extremely slow to come down, in the first place. Why should such a dialog take more than no-time to drop down?. Did they plan it that way? An artificial delay?. You start to wonder when you see the slow-blinking cursor. But I have no other issues with slow program response, other than that sometimes the simplest of things (like KWrite) take seconds to open, sometimes I wait 10 seconds for a KWrite to open. It's marvellous how ridiculous it is. It is the default editor, and it is unresponsive like that. Any default editor should open in a mere milisecond. I did a speed test: I press alt-f2 and start typing. The text came in this message compositor window of Thunderbird. The alt-f2 thing didn't start claiming the input soon enough. That's how slow it is. Now I am having to wait for my computer constantly. In Windows that was never the case (not for these things). I wish and wonder if there was an alternative to the alt-f2 thing that didn't use search and gave better error messages when a command was not found.... Search is not all bad but it shouldn't interfere. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 05 Sep 2015 13:36:20 Xen wrote:
On 09/05/2015 11:53 AM, Bjarne Örn Hansen wrote:
The past development of KDE gives me the notion of it being slow.
When I work in it and shift to a different application, the keyboard input is non responsive for up-to several seconds. I can hammer on the keyboard, and when the keys appear, there is lost keyboard input. Even if I merely hammer one key. My system is 4-cores, 3.5GHz, 16Gb system. Free shows me, there is amble memory left like 80%, and no swap usage.
Prior I have had several "slow" motion experiences with KDE, but they have been mostly related to continuous "search" functions being implemented. Top does not show any such activity. CPU shows 1.7us activity, so not overloaded. In fact, about 5% CPU usage.
I am not just seeing this in SuSE, in Ubuntu at work as well. KDE appears to be going down some bad development path.
Anybody have an Idea what is going on?
I don't know, but it is common here as well. The search you mention, is especially annoying, because the only way to run a command (the alt-f2 dropdown thing) uses search; when you enter a command it starts populating the list, but since you, at that point, haven't selected anything, the <enter> goes to waste and it doesn't do anything. I am too fast for it. I bet everyone is. I don't see why people use that or make it that way. It goes against anything that is natural.
I don't experience that at all. if i alt-f2, as i type in kwrite, it auto highlights the top item in the list. So when i hit enter it launches kwrite.
However, as a test here, whenever I alt-tab to KWrite, no input is ever lost. But, compared to Windows, there is definitely a sense of delay everywhere. Even the mouse/text cursor blink (text cursor blink) is too slow. You select a position in some text, and then you wonder if it will ever start blinking again. They should shave a few ms off, maybe like 20% less time for each interval. I never noticed before but I do now.
i don't experience that slowness either. What have you configured for to execute alt-tab switching? are you using kdm or ssdm? i'm using kdm.
I don't know what else, but especially the alt-f2 thing is extremely slow to come down, in the first place. Why should such a dialog take more than no-time to drop down?.
Did they plan it that way? An artificial delay?.
You start to wonder when you see the slow-blinking cursor.
But I have no other issues with slow program response, other than that sometimes the simplest of things (like KWrite) take seconds to open, sometimes I wait 10 seconds for a KWrite to open. It's marvellous how ridiculous it is. It is the default editor, and it is unresponsive like that. Any default editor should open in a mere milisecond. I did a speed test: I press alt-f2 and start typing. The text came in this message compositor window of Thunderbird. The alt-f2 thing didn't start claiming the input soon enough. That's how slow it is.
Now I am having to wait for my computer constantly. In Windows that was never the case (not for these things). I wish and wonder if there was an alternative to the alt-f2 thing that didn't use search and gave better error messages when a command was not found....
Search is not all bad but it shouldn't interfere.
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On Saturday 05 Sep 2015 13:36:20 Xen wrote:
I don't know, but it is common here as well. The search you mention, is especially annoying, because the only way to run a command (the alt-f2 dropdown thing) uses search; when you enter a command it starts populating the list, but since you, at that point, haven't selected anything, the <enter> goes to waste and it doesn't do anything. I am too fast for it. I bet everyone is. I don't see why people use that or make it that way. It goes against anything that is natural. I don't experience that at all. if i alt-f2, as i type in kwrite, it auto highlights the top item in the list. So when i hit enter it launches kwrite. I am often faster than that. Maybe my computer is slow. Last time I used it I typed "opera" and I saw the highlighted entry getting selected as "opensuse ......" but it still launched opera (much to my dismay and
On 09/05/2015 02:05 PM, ianseeks wrote: pleasure). It is just not dependable.
However, as a test here, whenever I alt-tab to KWrite, no input is ever lost. But, compared to Windows, there is definitely a sense of delay everywhere. Even the mouse/text cursor blink (text cursor blink) is too slow. You select a position in some text, and then you wonder if it will ever start blinking again. They should shave a few ms off, maybe like 20% less time for each interval. I never noticed before but I do now. i don't experience that slowness either. What have you configured for to execute alt-tab switching?
are you using kdm or ssdm? i'm using kdm. kdm.
Now I am having to wait for my computer constantly. In Windows that was never the case (not for these things). I wish and wonder if there was an alternative to the alt-f2 thing that didn't use search and gave better error messages when a command was not found....
Anybody? Is there a real alterative to that alt-f2 thing? It is so horribly broken I would change almost everything about it. But I can't, as of yet I don't have any linux desktop coding skills :-/. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 05.09.2015 um 14:22 schrieb Xen:
... Anybody? Is there a real alterative to that alt-f2 thing? It is so horribly broken I would change almost everything about it. But I can't, as of yet I don't have any linux desktop coding skills :-/.
I think something in your user-settings must be broken. When I press alt-f2 I have a "command-window" immediately on top of the screen in which the mouse is at that moment (I have 2 monitors). When I type a character a list of possible matches appears in the same moment, adjusting immediately as I type more. When I hit enter, the desired application opens fast. I just tried with firefox and kwrite... Maybe you want to give it a try making a new "virgin" user and see if the problem occurs there, too. If not, the search begins... Here: Linux 3.16.7-21-desktop, openSUSE 13.2 (Harlequin) (x86_64) KDE 4.14.9 Intel i7, 16G memory -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona http://www.daniel-bauer.com room in Barcelona: https://www.airbnb.es/rooms/2416137 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 08:22 AM, Xen wrote:
Anybody? Is there a real alterative to that alt-f2 thing?
Yes. many: * You can use the bar at the top of the main "gecko" menu. * You can use the gecko menu * You can pin your app to the top level or the 'favourites' of the gecko menu. * David Rankin showed a while back how you can have a panel on the side of the screen which has launchers for all your favourites. Perhaps he can show you that again. * You can use a command line in a kterminal. I only ever seem to use the alt-f2 when discussion of it comes up here. I think you are suffering either a failure of imagination or don't really know how to configure KDE and possibly even Linux) to make life easier for you. Your posts reflect a great deal of frustration. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 05 Sep 2015 14:22:26 Xen wrote:
On Saturday 05 Sep 2015 13:36:20 Xen wrote:
I don't know, but it is common here as well. The search you mention, is especially annoying, because the only way to run a command (the alt-f2 dropdown thing) uses search; when you enter a command it starts populating the list, but since you, at that point, haven't selected anything, the <enter> goes to waste and it doesn't do anything. I am too fast for it. I bet everyone is. I don't see why people use that or make it that way. It goes against anything that is natural.
I don't experience that at all. if i alt-f2, as i type in kwrite, it auto highlights the top item in the list. So when i hit enter it launches kwrite. I am often faster than that. Maybe my computer is slow. Last time I used it I typed "opera" and I saw the highlighted entry getting selected as "opensuse ......" but it still launched opera (much to my dismay and
On 09/05/2015 02:05 PM, ianseeks wrote: pleasure). It is just not dependable.
However, as a test here, whenever I alt-tab to KWrite, no input is ever lost. But, compared to Windows, there is definitely a sense of delay everywhere. Even the mouse/text cursor blink (text cursor blink) is too slow. You select a position in some text, and then you wonder if it will ever start blinking again. They should shave a few ms off, maybe like 20% less time for each interval. I never noticed before but I do now.
i don't experience that slowness either. What have you configured for to execute alt-tab switching?
are you using kdm or ssdm? i'm using kdm.
kdm. ok, same as me.
Now I am having to wait for my computer constantly. In Windows that was never the case (not for these things). I wish and wonder if there was an alternative to the alt-f2 thing that didn't use search and gave better error messages when a command was not found....
Anybody? Is there a real alterative to that alt-f2 thing? It is so horribly broken I would change almost everything about it. But I can't, as of yet I don't have any linux desktop coding skills :-/.
i don't think its broken, it just maybe the set up on your machine that is the problem but i wouldn't know where to start looking. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 03:22 PM, Xen wrote:
alterative to that alt-f2 thing? ..............
- alt-F2 works ok in xfcs ................ - for me , KDE shot itself in the leg , when upgrade screwed KMAIL ............................ - thereafter , XFCE , for me , is a Good experience [ Thunderbird OK ] ................... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 05:13 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
- for me , KDE shot itself in the leg , when upgrade screwed KMAIL
and. for me , akonadi is pain in Posteria ........... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 10:19 AM, ellanios82 wrote:
On 09/05/2015 05:13 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
- for me , KDE shot itself in the leg , when upgrade screwed KMAIL
and. for me , akonadi is pain in Posteria
Yes to both, but konqueror is a much better file browser than Thunar and Konsole is a much better terminal server than ... I forget the name of the one in XFCE. But to run konq and konsole drags in all the KDE libraries anyway. What I'd really like is a KDE version of Thunderbird. One that didn't use the ... Well I can dream :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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What I'd really like is a KDE version of Thunderbird. One that didn't use the ...
Well I can dream :-)
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On 09/05/2015 05:13 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
- thereafter , XFCE , for me , is a Good experience
~ but still prefer KONSOLE ................... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
KDE is ALWAYS SLOW..!!!! :) :)
On 09/05/2015 05:13 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
- thereafter , XFCE , for me , is a Good experience
~ but still prefer KONSOLE
...................
regards
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On 09/05/2015 11:41 AM, André Verwijs wrote:
KDE is ALWAYS SLOW..!!!! :) :)
Slow for you, perhaps. Not for others of us. You should be asking "Why do I have a configuration where KDE runs shower than for other people who don't have as powerful machine as I do?" -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 01:26 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 09/05/2015 11:41 AM, André Verwijs wrote:
KDE is ALWAYS SLOW..!!!! :) :)
You should be asking "Why do I have a configuration where KDE runs shower than for other people who don't have as powerful machine as I do?"
An even better question is why is it possible to make such a config or even why did it work before and become slow? What changed? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On September 5, 2015 2:00:05 PM PDT, Bruce Ferrell
On 09/05/2015 01:26 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 09/05/2015 11:41 AM, André Verwijs wrote:
KDE is ALWAYS SLOW..!!!! :) :)
You should be asking "Why do I have a configuration where KDE runs shower than for other people who don't have as powerful machine as I do?"
An even better question is why is it possible to make such a config or even why did it work before and become slow? What changed?
Or, you may ask why is it not fool proof? (no disrespect indended). Because there are a million ways to be set up wrong, and only one way (or perhaps a few) to be set up right. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 02:10 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On September 5, 2015 2:00:05 PM PDT, Bruce Ferrell
wrote: On 09/05/2015 01:26 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 09/05/2015 11:41 AM, André Verwijs wrote:
KDE is ALWAYS SLOW..!!!! :) :)
You should be asking "Why do I have a configuration where KDE runs shower than for other people who don't have as powerful machine as I do?" An even better question is why is it possible to make such a config or even why did it work before and become slow? What changed?
Or, you may ask why is it not fool proof? (no disrespect indended).
Because there are a million ways to be set up wrong, and only one way (or perhaps a few) to be set up right.
Sorry John. The configs aren't generated by hand. they are more or less automatically set by kde (and it's apps) itself. Yes, tweaks ARE possible. And you failed to address, "it worked before, what changed?" We won't even discuss why an upgrade nuked a working config. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 05:10 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On September 5, 2015 2:00:05 PM PDT, Bruce Ferrell
wrote: On 09/05/2015 01:26 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 09/05/2015 11:41 AM, André Verwijs wrote:
KDE is ALWAYS SLOW..!!!! :) :)
You should be asking "Why do I have a configuration where KDE runs shower than for other people who don't have as powerful machine as I do?" An even better question is why is it possible to make such a config or even why did it work before and become slow? What changed?
Or, you may ask why is it not fool proof? (no disrespect indended).
Because there are a million ways to be set up wrong, and only one way (or perhaps a few) to be set up right.
Given that I have not made any changes that I'm aware of that might cause this... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
lördagen den 5 september 2015 17.40.54 skrev James Knott:
Given that I have not made any changes that I'm aware of that might cause this... What "config" in KDE should make the "keyboard" stuck ... while using the mouse will work properly?
That's not a config issue, it's failed prioritisation of resources. Most likely an attempt to make the desktop more responsive "as in mouse response". And my "uneducated" guess is, that it mainly effects keyboard/mouse combinations, where they both are driven over an USB, while it probably will not affect it, if you have a USB/PS2 combination. But, that's just my "uneducated" guess ... the subject of constant searching through directories, to index it and cron job mania. Are already covered as total failures ... not just as resource hogs, but people I know already decide to NOT use KDE as a result of it. But, that's not my problem ... I'll stick to KDE, until my desktop dies ... then I'll boot Ubuntu. :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 11:03 AM, ellanios82 wrote:
On 09/05/2015 05:13 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
- thereafter , XFCE , for me , is a Good experience
~ but still prefer KONSOLE
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regards
You can run konsole in XFCE -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 07:07 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
You can run konsole in XFCE
~ indeed : that's my case : thanks ........... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 12:07 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 09/05/2015 11:03 AM, ellanios82 wrote:
On 09/05/2015 05:13 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
- thereafter , XFCE , for me , is a Good experience
~ but still prefer KONSOLE
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regards
You can run konsole in XFCE
Yes but to do that it drags in the KDE libraries ... -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 08:05 AM, ianseeks wrote:
I don't experience that at all. if i alt-f2, as i type in kwrite, it auto highlights the top item in the list. So when i hit enter it launches kwrite.
Sme here. alt-f2, the micro-window comes up as near instantly as makes no difference. I enter "k" and as near instantly as makes no difference I get a long listing. I add a "w" and the list gets shorter. The "r" and there's just the one entry. Clicking on that, the kwrite window takes less 1/5th second to come up. Why "1/5th"? That's about the smallest I can perceive that isn't actually instantaneous. Recall this has just 2G of memory right now. I think so long as its a KDE app, using the KDE libraries, things will be fast. If I start a java application (XMind, Freeplane for example) then the java run time has to be brought in and there's a startup delay. If i've shut down Firefox there's less of a delay. This tells me its memory limited and the paging systems is at work. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 09:25 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Clicking on that, the kwrite window takes less 1/5th second to come up. Why "1/5th"? That's about the smallest I can perceive that isn't actually instantaneous.
Perhaps you can count the number of Planck times between when you press the key and the window comes up. ;-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_time -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 03:25 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 09/05/2015 08:05 AM, ianseeks wrote:
I don't experience that at all. if i alt-f2, as i type in kwrite, it auto highlights the top item in the list. So when i hit enter it launches kwrite.
Sme here.
Look, it can just be a matter of computer speed. If something is slow to start with, but your computer is faster, than it might end up being a delay that makes no difference in practice for you. Take a system that is slower, and that same difference is going to be a deal-breaker. In software terms, your algorithm is going to break. The user is going to be faster at pressing "enter" than your system is at showing an item he can press enter to. That is a flawed design. It is deeply flawed design. If that was not a user design element but some core thing, it would mean you end up with null-pointer-exceptions and the system would crash if uncaught.
alt-f2, the micro-window comes up as near instantly as makes no difference.
I enter "k" and as near instantly as makes no difference I get a long listing. I add a "w" and the list gets shorter. The "r" and there's just the one entry.
Clicking on that, the kwrite window takes less 1/5th second to come up. Why "1/5th"? That's about the smallest I can perceive that isn't actually instantaneous.
Do you know or realise that 1/5th is a very long time? If all of the world would be delayed 1/5th of a second, so all visual, tactice and auditory impulses would be delayed 1/5th of a second as opposed to what you're used to, it would creep you out completely.
Recall this has just 2G of memory right now.
You mentioned that you had a similar configuration to "My system is 4-cores, 3.5GHz". That means your system has at least 8 times the CPU processing speed. Than my system does. Or perhaps the right calculation is 4x :P. If your delays are 4x less because of this, it might mean a horribly broken algorithm might turn into "practical usable" for YOUR SYSTEM. That doesn't mean the algorithm is not flawed, the flaw just doesn't come out in your configuration (system). It also has nothing to do with KDE configuration (as if yours is superior then). It also doesn't mean that "I" (or someone else) as a "person" has a problem. Well, of course you have a problem. That was the reason for posting this thread (these threads). It is no surprise that the user has a problem, he just told you about it. He was, I guess, trying to get it resolved in some way, or at least for people to notice it, such that, if the common consensus were to be that indeed the thing is flawed, maybe it would at the very end perhaps be wise... You know. It is awareness raising that people do in these threads, perhaps. And the experience of being too fast for that KDE thing to respond in a timely manner is real. That is not something someone makes up. It is not imaginary. So you can start out with the observation that on some systems it doesn't work. Now you say "why don't I experience it on my system?". There are several reasons that could be offered: - your system is faster - you don't use your system in the same way (you admitted that you hardly use alt-f2). Now this probably doesn't apply to that keyboard-input thing. But it does apply somewhat to alt-tab switching and things popping up with delays and all. You offer in your other reply several suggestions as to not have to face this problem. But of course all those suggestions suggest changing your style of using a computer. None of them were what I asked for really. The basic premise of having a short-cut to type in a command and have it be executed, is broken. You suggest workarounds for not having to use that style of command execution: - execute it from an open shell instead - search using a different interface element (the Gecko menu as you called it) The Gecko menu is equally flawed. If I am fast enough, I can type "kwrite<enter>" and it won't do anything. The enter doesn't register. Now I just tried again. Instead of kwrite it opens quassel. Why does it open quassel? Because my MOUSE POINTER happened to be HOVERING over the Quassel "favourites" entry. Now I try again. It filters to "kwrite" and "run kwrite". I press enter. Nothing happens. It is just horribly flawed and broken. You cannot use it in a reliable manner. Opening the "Gecko menu" by itself is influenced by the location of my mouse pointer. If it accidentally hovers over one of the other tabs, one of those tabs is selected. So I cannot use it to reliably reach any of the favourites using the keyboard.
I think you are suffering either a failure of imagination or don't really know how to configure KDE and possibly even Linux) to make life easier for you. Your posts reflect a great deal of frustration.
I think you are really lacking the imagination required to be considering that someone else might not be using your style of interaction with the system, to be honest. You also, apparently, cannot imagine that using a mouse might be a hinder, seeing as I am just using a touchpad on this laptop as I'm sitting in bed and have no means of acquiring anything better for the moment. So using a keyboard becomes vital then. You also fail to imagine that all of the window-switchers are broken for me and I am constantly disoriented by them. Switching to Konsole when I am not in it (You mentioned kterminal, I guess it's the same (alt-f2 took a second to pop down) (I thought it would never come)) is not as easily done as it is on Windows. That is, if I'm not using a mouse. So if the premise is that I avoid using the mouse, (touch pad) and alt-tabbing to my always-open Konsole is not the fastest for me, then clearly it is a lack of imagination on your side as to why it is so difficult for me to get anything run there in a moment's want. Meaning, I simply cannot blindly get something run. I constantly have to take account of the ideosynchracities of the system I am working on. It is like a troublesome housemaid. You depend on her to clean your house, but 4 out of 5 times she doesn't show up. Or she shows up late. Or she forgets that she's working for you. It's just not reliable. I can't use that. For my goals, which is speedy and controlled use of a computer. Or at least that is how I go about using it. To achieve what I want. Now you may say "I" have a problem because "I" caused my mouse pointer to hover over a location where the Gecko menu would pop up. But come on. Even when I did have a mouse I always preferred keyboard interaction because it is a hell of a lot faster. People always respond (also technical people in e.g. a Dutch tech forum) to indicate that you're using your computer in a wrong way?. That was a topic about Windows 7. I complained to them (apparently) that Windows 7 was so horribly broken in its Start Menu (yes, there is a pattern here ;-)). Haha. It was about the same thing: search. You may think Linux is a different thing but Windows and KDE are clones of each other in that regard. Utter clones. Doing the exact same thing, only not much differently. And I was just mentioning I guess there and then how I hate that search and that they ruined the configuration screen. Some nut told me that pressing the Windows button (Super, in Linux terminology) and then typing my text would be very useful and sufficient and completely adequate (!!!) in running any command I want. But of course it suffers from the same flaws as the KDE I am talking about here. (I have nothing against you! I have something against this flawed methodology!!!!!!!!). First you press Win. Then you wait a second. Because it takes time to pop up, and since it is not a key combo (like win-R) you cannot combine it with the text you would type, since it would take the first character of your text as a combination with the Win key. So since there is no good way to "consume" that Win keypress, you have to artificially wait a few moments before you start typing. It is not a flowing experience. Kubuntu doesn't suffer from this because the key combination is alt-F1, which does consume. So far so good. But anyway. I mean KDE of course. Then you type, but, in contrast with KDE, it doesn't exactly search for program executable names. However, the interface program names differ from version to version (languages). So now "win, wait, "notepad" doesn't produce anything if you're on a Dutch system. Really. At the same time you never know what it is going to find. Which means you always have to pay attention to the search results before you press enter, ideally, or risking running the wrong things if you press enter blindly. Luckily Windows still has win-R but Kubuntu/KDE doesn't. Kubuntu/KDE doesn't have an alternative for alt-F2. Or alt-F1. Both are the same, do the same thing, use the same libraries probably. Why offer the same service twice? The same product? There is hardly any difference. That makes no sense. Instead of catering to two different use cases, the two things cater to almost the same use case. From a keyboard perspective, that is. So now you have like two distinct features with an 80% overlap. Great going. Someone really thought about that. Look, if you don't even use these features, who are you to argue about it?. I'm using it and it doesn't work for me. I'm sorry, I just ended up in the wrong life. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 07:36 AM, Xen wrote:
I don't know what else, but especially the alt-f2 thing is extremely slow to come down, in the first place. Why should such a dialog take more than no-time to drop down?.
Good question. Why does it take time for you but no noticeable time for me? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 05:53 AM, Bjarne Örn Hansen wrote:
The past development of KDE gives me the notion of it being slow.
When I work in it and shift to a different application, the keyboard input is non responsive for up-to several seconds. I can hammer on the keyboard, and when the keys appear, there is lost keyboard input. Even if I merely hammer one key. My system is 4-cores, 3.5GHz, 16Gb system. Free shows me, there is amble memory left like 80%, and no swap usage.
Prior I have had several "slow" motion experiences with KDE, but they have been mostly related to continuous "search" functions being implemented. Top does not show any such activity. CPU shows 1.7us activity, so not overloaded. In fact, about 5% CPU usage.
I am not just seeing this in SuSE, in Ubuntu at work as well. KDE appears to be going down some bad development path.
Anybody have an Idea what is going on?
Yes and no. I have a similar configuration - Dell Optiplex - but with only 2G at the moment since other people needed those memory sticks .. <sigh>. Even so, with a FF process of nearly 100 tabs, right now (doing some research & testing), 80% memory consumes, 20% swap consumed, load average just over 1, swaping between any of the 4 full screen apps (Thunderbird, firefox, konsole with 6 tabs, konq if file mode with 4 main tabs and 6 tabs open on PDFs related to above mentioned research) i'm getting instantaneous response when switching. Tnis 'write' window opened instantnly. So what about starting other things? I click on games/patience. Oh, a delay, or at least its longer that switching between established tasks. about 1/8th of a second. Yes some thing like yast/software-install take time to come up, but for good reasons. You can see that more clearly doing command line zypper equivalent. The checking of the repositories so as to ensure integrity. And yes, running 'zypper up' slows things down, but so what? Coffee Time! So I think *you* have a problem. I can think of many things it MIGHT be, but the description you give isn't adequate. =================================================================== All that being said .... A phenomena I've seem is that with GUI systems there is always more 'eye candy' or under the hood stuff going on to soak up the additional processing power. According to Intel at the time, the processor of the original PC (or was it the AT) back at the start of the 1980s was about as powerful as a PDP-11. At that time I was working in a UNIX development shop and we were using a PDP-11 with 4 Meg of memory and a single drive. It was supporting about 40 developers. No gui then. All just command line. Mostly we were doing editing and compiling, but there was a good bit of emailing and the corresponding UUCP to support that. So how much more powerful are today's Intel/AMD processors in our desktops? Well, yes, a lot of the power is soaked up by the system. File systems are more complex than the original V7FS, take more calculation doing b-tree balancing. Virtual memory is more complex, more CPU intensive than a simple roll-in/roll-out. One can most clearly see the phenomena with MS-Windows where each release of Windows was there for each step forward in hardware, but the system never seemed to run any faster. Now, compare this to a non-GUI version of UNIX running on a IBM mainframe. I had this demo'd to me. Shell script to recompile the whole kernel tree. Enter command from the CLI. Hit enter. Command prompt comes back .. almost immediately. No perceivable delay. (Thank you Jeff Colyier for this) ========================================================== So I think YOU have a specific problems with your system. Perhaps one day i'll load up this Optiplex to 8G or 16G <drool>. Who knows what the Closet of Anxieties might produce? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
lördagen den 5 september 2015 09.15.24 skrev Anton Aylward:
So I think YOU have a specific problems with your system. Perhaps one day i'll load up this Optiplex to 8G or 16G <drool>. Who knows what the Closet of Anxieties might produce?
Well, it certainly could be, that I was having a problem ... but I know of others, that have different configuration than I that have the same problem. They have actually dumped KDE and don't run it at all. What I experience is this ... I have Six screens and a lot of applications up. And I can mouse click between these, without a problem. I can use the mouse and click on a tab, and it appears ok ... but if I type something ... nope, nothing. Several seconds, before characters appear. My guess is, it's my keyboard combo Logitech USB dongle, with both mouse and keyboard on it, and that "mouse" is taking priority #1. As this usually happens, when I switch applications or switch screens ... then, mouse will be responsive, but several seconds until the keyboard does ... once the keyboard shows characters, it's working properly. Until the next time I switch screens. Then again, mouse responsive ... keyboard less so, sometimes a long wait, sometimes a short wait. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Please do not hi-jack other emails to start your own thread: In-Reply-To: <2001266.z73PrfOEj0@linux-wzza.aruprakshit> References: <2001266.z73PrfOEj0@linux-wzza.aruprakshit> https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Changing_the_subjec... On 09/05/2015 05:53 AM, Bjarne Örn Hansen wrote:
The past development of KDE gives me the notion of it being slow.
When I work in it and shift to a different application, the keyboard input is non responsive for up-to several seconds. I can hammer on the keyboard, and when the keys appear, there is lost keyboard input. Even if I merely hammer one key. My system is 4-cores, 3.5GHz, 16Gb system. Free shows me, there is amble memory left like 80%, and no swap usage.
Prior I have had several "slow" motion experiences with KDE, but they have been mostly related to continuous "search" functions being implemented. Top does not show any such activity. CPU shows 1.7us activity, so not overloaded. In fact, about 5% CPU usage.
I am not just seeing this in SuSE, in Ubuntu at work as well. KDE appears to be going down some bad development path.
Anybody have an Idea what is going on?
-- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2015 05:53 AM, Bjarne Örn Hansen wrote:
The past development of KDE gives me the notion of it being slow.
When I work in it and shift to a different application, the keyboard input is non responsive for up-to several seconds. I can hammer on the keyboard, and when the keys appear, there is lost keyboard input. Even if I merely hammer one key. My system is 4-cores, 3.5GHz, 16Gb system. Free shows me, there is amble memory left like 80%, and no swap usage.
Prior I have had several "slow" motion experiences with KDE, but they have been mostly related to continuous "search" functions being implemented. Top does not show any such activity. CPU shows 1.7us activity, so not overloaded. In fact, about 5% CPU usage.
I am not just seeing this in SuSE, in Ubuntu at work as well. KDE appears to be going down some bad development path.
Anybody have an Idea what is going on?
I have also noticed that at times the desktop seems to almost freeze for several seconds. I'm running 64 bit 13.1 on an Intel Core i7 with 16 GB of memory. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/06/2015 12:01 AM, James Knott wrote:
I have also noticed that at times the desktop seems to almost freeze for several seconds.
~ maybe akonadi-devil eat too much resources? ........... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On September 5, 2015 2:01:19 PM PDT, James Knott
The past development of KDE gives me the notion of it being slow.
When I work in it and shift to a different application, the keyboard input is non responsive for up-to several seconds. I can hammer on the keyboard, and when the keys appear, there is lost keyboard input. Even if I merely hammer one key. My system is 4-cores, 3.5GHz, 16Gb system. Free shows me,
On 09/05/2015 05:53 AM, Bjarne Örn Hansen wrote: there is
amble memory left like 80%, and no swap usage.
Prior I have had several "slow" motion experiences with KDE, but they have been mostly related to continuous "search" functions being implemented. Top does not show any such activity. CPU shows 1.7us activity, so not overloaded. In fact, about 5% CPU usage.
I am not just seeing this in SuSE, in Ubuntu at work as well. KDE appears to be going down some bad development path.
Anybody have an Idea what is going on?
I have also noticed that at times the desktop seems to almost freeze for several seconds. I'm running 64 bit 13.1 on an Intel Core i7 with 16 GB of memory.
The last time I saw that my disk was failing. Log tailing and running smart showed suspicious problems with writing. I obtained a new disk, and copied everything to nas, and reinstalled. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
lördagen den 5 september 2015 14.15.38 skrev John Andersen:
On September 5, 2015 2:01:19 PM PDT, James Knott
wrote: The last time I saw that my disk was failing. Log tailing and running smart showed suspicious problems with writing. I obtained a new disk, and copied everything to nas, and reinstalled.
Hmm ... I have one failing harddisk, on /usr/local ... will swap and see if it's causing it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
[Repost, seems my original didn't make it through?]
On 5 September 2015 at 10:53, Bjarne Örn Hansen
Anybody have an Idea what is going on?
No idea, works fine here on Plasma 5.4 from Tumbleweed with a fully updated machine. If you want help, you're really going to have to tell us which openSUSE and KDE versions you are running, whether baloo or nepomuk or akonadi are running, and possibly what graphics drivers you have. One test always recommended is to create a new test user then reboot and log in as them to see if they are also affected, that way you know if it's a system-wide problem or just a user config problem. John. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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André Verwijs
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Anton Aylward
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Arup Rakshit
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Bjarne Örn Hansen
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Bob Williams
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Bruce Ferrell
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Daniel Bauer
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ianseeks
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James Knott
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John Andersen
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John Layt
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Ken Schneider - openSUSE
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Xen