Re: [opensuse] KDE3 on 11.3 ??
On Saturday 24 July 2010 20:31:07 Илья Черных wrote:
spatial view is a crime against humanity.
Some people still dont know how to check one checkbox.
When they introduced it into gnome, it generated more complaints than any other change in the history of the desktop, and they were forced to revert it.
Spatial mode is one of two main modes in Nautilus.
It is now, yes, after the flood of complaints. When it was first implemented it was the only mode - they had to change that because almost everyone hated it Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 24 July 2010 20:31:07 Илья Черных wrote:
spatial view is a crime against humanity. Some people still dont know how to check one checkbox.
When they introduced it into gnome, it generated more complaints than any other change in the history of the desktop, and they were forced to revert it. Spatial mode is one of two main modes in Nautilus. It is now, yes, after the flood of complaints.
It certainly wasn't well received - but don't confuse mailist traffic, etc... for "consensus". I didn't care (as a heavy GNOME user), people I knew didn't care - but people don't most "Hey, I don't care about his" messages. Mailists have a powerful negative bias. The current split view [press F3] is fabulous. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-07-23 15:10, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
When they introduced it into gnome, it generated more complaints than any other change in the history of the desktop, and they were forced to revert it. Spatial mode is one of two main modes in Nautilus. It is now, yes, after the flood of complaints.
It certainly wasn't well received - but don't confuse mailist traffic, etc... for "consensus". I didn't care (as a heavy GNOME user), people I knew didn't care - but people don't most "Hey, I don't care about his" messages. Mailists have a powerful negative bias.
The current split view [press F3] is fabulous.
I don't see any change in Nautilus when I press F3. What should happen? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxX4MMACgkQU92UU+smfQWdMwCdGKQJi27zQRnCIy5rIZCvaA0o Ck0An2wEf9mScp431rHNpudWXq4qbqkm =XFQL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
It is now, yes, after the flood of complaints. When it was first implemented it was the only mode - they had to change that because almost everyone hated it
As I know browser mode was default before Gnome 2.26, then spatial mode was choosen by default and now with Gnome 2.30 browser mode is default again. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 July 2010 20:36:29 Илья Черных wrote:
It is now, yes, after the flood of complaints. When it was first implemented it was the only mode - they had to change that because almost everyone hated it
As I know browser mode was default before Gnome 2.26, then spatial mode was choosen by default and now with Gnome 2.30 browser mode is default again.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/12/25/0259254/Gnome-Switches-Nautilus-Back... To-Browser-Mode?from=rss -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/12/25/0259254/Gnome-Switches-Nautilus-Back... To-Browser-Mode?from=rss
Yes it seems bad tendencies come from KDE4 even back to Gnome. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 July 2010 20:50:19 Илья Черных wrote:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/12/25/0259254/Gnome-Switches-Nautilus-B ack-
To-Browser-Mode?from=rss
Yes it seems bad tendencies come from KDE4 even back to Gnome.
KDE4 was not around when gnome 2.6 was written. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 July 2010 21:12:59 Илья Черных wrote:
KDE4 was not around when gnome 2.6 was written.
It is around now when they decided to return to browser mode.
Almost all distributions shipped gnome with browser mode as the default as soon as the gnome developers saw fit to re-enable it. Upstream gnome had spatial mode as the default, but people hated it. People hated it. Nearly no one wants to use it. Apple tried it in 1986 - people hated it then, they ditched it. Windows tried it - people hated it, so they ditched it. Face it, you are in a very small minority here Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
People hated it. Nearly no one wants to use it. Apple tried it in 1986 - people hated it then, they ditched it. Windows tried it - people hated it, so they ditched it.
Well, besides Gnome it is the main (and possibly, single) mode in E17, in ROX, in OS/2 WPS, Finder, GEM etc etc. Most desktop environments have this mode in a file browser and many use it by default or as the only available mode. If people hated it it would not be implemented in such a variety of systems.
Face it, you are in a very small minority here
Even if so, what? KDE3 and Gnome have this functionality, KDE4 does not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 July 2010 21:28:10 Илья Черных wrote:
People hated it. Nearly no one wants to use it. Apple tried it in 1986 -
people hated it then, they ditched it. Windows tried it - people hated it, so they ditched it.
Well, besides Gnome it is the main (and possibly, single) mode in E17, in ROX, in OS/2 WPS, Finder, GEM etc etc. Most desktop environments have this mode in a file browser and many use it by default or as the only available mode. If people hated it it would not be implemented in such a variety of systems.
Testing your claims. ROX-filer does not operate with spatial navigation. Clicking on a folder opens it in the same window. Middle-clicking opens in a new window - exactly the same as in dolphin. I'll test E17 now, I can't test OS/2 and Finder since I don't have those operating systems here, but if your past history on this list is anything to go by, you probably just made things up again, just as you did about kde developers and the ROX-filer Seriously, don't you care about your credibility at all? Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/07/24 15:41 (GMT-0400) Anders Johansson composed:
I can't test OS/2 and Finder since I don't have those operating systems here
Like openSUSE, Mandriva, Knoppix and so many other Linux, "OS/2" has a live CD too: http://www.ecomstation.com/democd/ I use "OS/2" (aka eCS) 24/7, and can only say about spatial mode that: 1-I never before today heard the term 2-Do all my file management chores in FC/2, same as I do all file management chores in Linux using MC, in Windows using whatever OFM I can get open the quickest, and rarely get around to doing on OS X. I don't fix what ain't broke if I can help it, so my "upgrades" either get to keep KDE3, or don't (get "upgraded"). KDE4 here is limited to Factory, Rawhide, Cooker, etc so that I can tell if and when it might have become good enough for more than dabbling. Long as I have to squint to try to figure out what's on the too short default panel that can't be made a standard tall enough height via config file, select list, or typing a number, (something besides "dragging" a pointer) that isn't very likely ever to happen. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 July 2010 21:58:53 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2010/07/24 15:41 (GMT-0400) Anders Johansson composed:
I can't test OS/2 and Finder since I don't have those operating systems here
Like openSUSE, Mandriva, Knoppix and so many other Linux, "OS/2" has a live CD too: http://www.ecomstation.com/democd/
I use "OS/2" (aka eCS) 24/7, and can only say about spatial mode that:
1-I never before today heard the term
It means that when you click on a folder, it opens in a new window. Basically, the window "is" the folder. The idea is some sort of object oriented file management. Does OS/2 work that way? Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/07/24 22:03 (GMT+0200) Anders Johansson composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Anders Johansson composed:
I can't test OS/2 and Finder since I don't have those operating systems here
Like openSUSE, Mandriva, Knoppix and so many other Linux, "OS/2" has a live CD too: http://www.ecomstation.com/democd/
I use "OS/2" (aka eCS) 24/7, and can only say about spatial mode that:
1-I never before today heard the term
It means that when you click on a folder, it opens in a new window. Basically, the window "is" the folder. The idea is some sort of object oriented file management.
Does OS/2 work that way?
I don't often enough open "folders" to know for sure the "right" answer. I suppose yes would be more accurate than no, but most things in OS/2 require a double click to either open with an associated application or into a new window, not a single click, IIRC essentially the same as in Windows 3. I open directories and files either with the apps that understand them, or with my OFM. Opening apps can take one click or two, depending on the apparent location of the app's association object. OO was definitely a supposed OS/2 selling point, but just as definitely not one that made me choose to use it. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 July 2010 15:03:26 Anders Johansson wrote: ...
Does OS/2 work that way?
It was long ago that I used OS/2, but I can't recall opening window for each new folder. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Does OS/2 work that way?
You can see yourself: OS/2 running under Windows 7 in a virtual machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfPkl5V269M&feature=related -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
ROX-filer does not operate with spatial navigation. Clicking on a folder opens it in the same window. Middle-clicking opens in a new window - exactly the same as in dolphin.
You are not right. My newly-installed ROX desktop http://software.opensuse.org/ymp/home:dmitry_serpokryl:Enlightenment-cvs-cor... opens each folder in a new window by double-click. Just install this package and run /usr/share/rox-all-1.5/rox -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 July 2010 22:23:16 Илья Черных wrote:
ROX-filer does not operate with spatial navigation. Clicking on a folder opens
it in the same window. Middle-clicking opens in a new window - exactly the same as in dolphin.
You are not right. My newly-installed ROX desktop http://software.opensuse.org/ymp/home:dmitry_serpokryl:Enlightenment-cvs-co re-metapackage/openSUSE_11.2/ROX-Desktop.ymp
opens each folder in a new window by double-click. Just install this package and run /usr/share/rox-all-1.5/rox
I downloaded ROX-filer directly from the developer as a binary package, and use their defaults. I don't know what you did with your packages. It is not the default. The default behaviour is identical to dolphin's Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Konqueror for KDE4 has - had as far back as I recall using KDE4, an option to open folders in a "new window" rather than a new tab or expand the list. menubar:Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Management I never use it, I don't want a proliferation of windows. -- No problem exists that drink doesn't make worse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Konqueror for KDE4 has - had as far back as I recall using KDE4, an option to open folders in a "new window" rather than a new tab or expand the list.
Yes, but this is only a checkbox left from KDE3. It does not change anything in KDE4. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 July 2010 22:40:51 Илья Черных wrote:
I don't know what you did with your packages.
These are not my packages. Why do you think so?
Because of the russian name. But either way, it seems to behave in a spatial way. Fine. But rox, by default, doesn't do so, and you still haven't told me which file manager you meant by "E17" Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
you still haven't told me which file manager you meant by "E17"
Install E17 and look how their file manager behaves. Ckick on a folder on the desktop to open the file manager. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 July 2010 21:28:10 Илья Черных wrote:
People hated it. Nearly no one wants to use it. Apple tried it in 1986 -
people hated it then, they ditched it. Windows tried it - people hated it, so they ditched it.
Well, besides Gnome it is the main (and possibly, single) mode in E17, in
I can't find a file manager for E17. Which one did you see this in, and where did you find it? Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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