[opensuse] Missing of a better power management for laptop
Hello OpenSuSers, IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3. It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level. So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3. Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter. Cheers, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) opensuse 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64 bit - Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop Gnome 3.6.2 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello OpenSuSers,
IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3.
It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level.
My two Linux laptops (Thinkpad, Toshiba) both beep when they're running low on power.
So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3. Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter.
I wouldn't know. :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 23/08/2013 05:57, Per Jessen ha scritto:
Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello OpenSuSers,
IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3.
It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level.
My two Linux laptops (Thinkpad, Toshiba) both beep when they're running low on power.
So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3. Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter.
I wouldn't know. :-)
Which DE are you using Per? In Gnome I have not that functionality! Cheers, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) opensuse 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64 bit - Kernel 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Gnome 3.6.2 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 23/08/2013 05:57, Per Jessen ha scritto:
Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello OpenSuSers,
IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3.
It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level.
My two Linux laptops (Thinkpad, Toshiba) both beep when they're running low on power.
So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3. Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter.
I wouldn't know. :-)
Which DE are you using Per?
In Gnome I have not that functionality!
I'm using KDE. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.0°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 24/08/2013 04:22, Per Jessen ha scritto:
Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 23/08/2013 05:57, Per Jessen ha scritto:
Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello OpenSuSers,
IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3.
It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level.
My two Linux laptops (Thinkpad, Toshiba) both beep when they're running low on power.
So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3. Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter.
I wouldn't know. :-)
Which DE are you using Per?
In Gnome I have not that functionality!
I'm using KDE.
Thanks Per, Despite I upgraded to Gnome 3.8.3, nothing changed: very few options for power management have been added. In addition Nemo is still lacking some features as the availability to navigate in the right-pane. Cheers, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) opensuse 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64 bit - Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop Gnome 3.8.3 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday, August 26, 2013 02:52:46 PM Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 24/08/2013 04:22, Per Jessen ha scritto:
Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 23/08/2013 05:57, Per Jessen ha scritto:
Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello OpenSuSers,
IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3.
It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level.
My two Linux laptops (Thinkpad, Toshiba) both beep when they're running low on power.
So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3. Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter.
I wouldn't know. :-)
Which DE are you using Per?
In Gnome I have not that functionality!
I'm using KDE.
Thanks Per,
Despite I upgraded to Gnome 3.8.3, nothing changed: very few options for power management have been added.
In addition Nemo is still lacking some features as the availability to navigate in the right-pane.
Cheers,
There still is no way to set a sound alarm for critical low power battery on GNOME settings. It does not matter if version 3.8.3 or 3.10 or Tweak Settings have been installed. Nether Shell Extensions known to get it. Matter of fact, it would be a good GSOC project to make it available. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Member openSUSE Projects -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 26/08/2013 16:27, Ricardo Chung ha scritto:
On Monday, August 26, 2013 02:52:46 PM Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 24/08/2013 04:22, Per Jessen ha scritto:
Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 23/08/2013 05:57, Per Jessen ha scritto:
Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello OpenSuSers,
IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3.
It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level.
My two Linux laptops (Thinkpad, Toshiba) both beep when they're running low on power.
So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3. Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter.
I wouldn't know. :-)
Which DE are you using Per?
In Gnome I have not that functionality!
I'm using KDE.
Thanks Per,
Despite I upgraded to Gnome 3.8.3, nothing changed: very few options for power management have been added.
In addition Nemo is still lacking some features as the availability to navigate in the right-pane.
Cheers,
There still is no way to set a sound alarm for critical low power battery on GNOME settings. It does not matter if version 3.8.3 or 3.10 or Tweak Settings have been installed. Nether Shell Extensions known to get it.
Matter of fact, it would be a good GSOC project to make it available.
Regards,
Thanks Ricardo for your commentary. IMHO Gnome is getting pretty different from its past DE concept and perhaps it is loosing essential details for usability, in favour of new "bells and whistles" which are of scarce utility for many of old Gnome users. Cheers, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) opensuse 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64 bit - Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop Gnome 3.8.3 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday, August 26, 2013 06:59:49 PM Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 26/08/2013 16:27, Ricardo Chung ha scritto:
On Monday, August 26, 2013 02:52:46 PM Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 24/08/2013 04:22, Per Jessen ha scritto:
Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 23/08/2013 05:57, Per Jessen ha scritto:
Marco Calistri wrote:
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There still is no way to set a sound alarm for critical low power battery on GNOME settings. It does not matter if version 3.8.3 or 3.10 or Tweak Settings have been installed. Nether Shell Extensions known to get it.
Matter of fact, it would be a good GSOC project to make it available.
Regards,
Thanks Ricardo for your commentary.
IMHO Gnome is getting pretty different from its past DE concept and perhaps it is loosing essential details for usability, in favour of new "bells and whistles" which are of scarce utility for many of old Gnome users.
Cheers,
Welcome Marco. I agree GNOME 3 now is very different from we used to use a few years ago. And the "pros" their developers are targeting Not always easy to appreciate. OTOH, GNOME 3 is work in progress from "scratch" and almost clean template. I don't think it has much in common with GNOME 2. Developer are re-building or re-writing many new lines of code. I hope we can soon have a nicer user experience. I don't think is going to be like the old times but different and still useful. It looks less modular as used to be and may be more like all-in- one DE (lock-in). I will always miss the old times (cube effects, different workspaces, etc...) Thanks to all above. On these days, I spend more time on KDE. It is powerful and highly configurable DE. And this is the way I love to work. It has several workspaces, activities, widgets,etc.. always available one click away or just there. Despite these features is not resouces hungry as many people think about. I hope it does not change soon. Anyway, LXDE, XFCE, and other minimalistic DE are available for those who need to take care with resouces or want customized approaches. Preferences are on the eyes of the beholder. :-D Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Member openSUSE Projects -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 23/08/13 04:56, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello OpenSuSers,
IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3.
It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level.
So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3.
Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter.
What DE are you using? In KDE, you can go to the System Settings -> Power Management, select the Advanced Settings, and from there you have many options. Set at what point the battery is regarded as critical level, what action should be performed (e.g. suspend), and then by clicking on Configure Notifications and clicking the Battery Critical line, you can set to play a sound, show a popup, mark the taskbar entry or run a command. Of course, if you're not using KDE your choices may well be more limited or require extra extensions to be installed to find equivalent functionality. Some DEs are geared towards a more minimalist approach for users who aren't so concerned with fine tuning and options galore. If you're expecting configuration options akin to Windows then you probably *should* be using KDE which, IMHO, surpasses Windows with its configurability. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Not sure if it related to power management but pretty much every Toshiba laptop I have tried does not got to sleep when prompted but then the screen will not come back on. This is on all Linux systems not open suse and Toshiba do not make a driver AFAIK.
Also I have noticed that when opens suse 12.3 with kde locks your computer after a few minutes idle time it shows the lock screen prompting for a password. If you press ANY button or just move the mouse it unlocks without you typing a password. Works fine if you manually lock.
Paul Groves
On 23 Aug 2013, at 11:20, "Peter"
On 23/08/13 04:56, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello OpenSuSers,
IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3.
It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level.
So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3.
Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter.
What DE are you using? In KDE, you can go to the System Settings -> Power Management, select the Advanced Settings, and from there you have many options. Set at what point the battery is regarded as critical level, what action should be performed (e.g. suspend), and then by clicking on Configure Notifications and clicking the Battery Critical line, you can set to play a sound, show a popup, mark the taskbar entry or run a command.
Of course, if you're not using KDE your choices may well be more limited or require extra extensions to be installed to find equivalent functionality. Some DEs are geared towards a more minimalist approach for users who aren't so concerned with fine tuning and options galore. If you're expecting configuration options akin to Windows then you probably *should* be using KDE which, IMHO, surpasses Windows with its configurability. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Paul Groves wrote:
Not sure if it related to power management but pretty much every Toshiba laptop I have tried does not got to sleep when prompted but then the screen will not come back on. This is on all Linux systems not open suse and Toshiba do not make a driver AFAIK.
I have two Toshiba Satellite somethings, it's been working fine on both since 11.4.
Also I have noticed that when opens suse 12.3 with kde locks your computer after a few minutes idle time it shows the lock screen prompting for a password. If you press ANY button or just move the mouse it unlocks without you typing a password. Works fine if you manually lock.
When it automatically locks, there is a "grace" period where it doesn't equire a password. It's adjustable. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (26.3°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday, August 23, 2013 01:09:21 PM Paul Groves wrote:
Not sure if it related to power management but pretty much every Toshiba laptop I have tried does not got to sleep when prompted but then the screen will not come back on. This is on all Linux systems not open suse and Toshiba do not make a driver AFAIK.
Also I have noticed that when opens suse 12.3 with kde locks your computer after a few minutes idle time it shows the lock screen prompting for a password. If you press ANY button or just move the mouse it unlocks without you typing a password. Works fine if you manually lock.
On KDE is possible to make the adjustments as you wish it works: Go to System Settngs->Display and Monitor->Screen Locker->Require password after (checkbox) and make the proper time adjustments Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Member openSUSE Projects -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 23/08/2013 07:22, Peter ha scritto:
On 23/08/13 04:56, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello OpenSuSers,
IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3.
It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level.
So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3.
Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter.
What DE are you using? In KDE, you can go to the System Settings -> Power Management, select the Advanced Settings, and from there you have many options. Set at what point the battery is regarded as critical level, what action should be performed (e.g. suspend), and then by clicking on Configure Notifications and clicking the Battery Critical line, you can set to play a sound, show a popup, mark the taskbar entry or run a command.
Of course, if you're not using KDE your choices may well be more limited or require extra extensions to be installed to find equivalent functionality. Some DEs are geared towards a more minimalist approach for users who aren't so concerned with fine tuning and options galore. If you're expecting configuration options akin to Windows then you probably *should* be using KDE which, IMHO, surpasses Windows with its configurability.
Thanks Peter, In fact I was doubting it was due the DE: I'm using Gnome! Cheers, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) opensuse 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64 bit - Kernel 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Gnome 3.6.2 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 23/08/2013 07:22, Peter ha scritto:
On 23/08/13 04:56, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hello OpenSuSers,
IMHO, we are missing an acoustic alarm as well as a really working hibernate or suspend function in 12.3.
It is very annoying being sudden logged out by the system powering down without the possibility to be warned in advance (by acoustic alarm) or to restart exactly from the point wherein you have been logged off by critical battery level.
So far I'm experiencing these issues in my opensuse 12.3.
Sorry to have to admit thhat ones again Windows appears to be more versatile on this matter.
What DE are you using? In KDE, you can go to the System Settings -> Power Management, select the Advanced Settings, and from there you have many options. Set at what point the battery is regarded as critical level, what action should be performed (e.g. suspend), and then by clicking on Configure Notifications and clicking the Battery Critical line, you can set to play a sound, show a popup, mark the taskbar entry or run a command.
Of course, if you're not using KDE your choices may well be more limited or require extra extensions to be installed to find equivalent functionality. Some DEs are geared towards a more minimalist approach for users who aren't so concerned with fine tuning and options galore. If you're expecting configuration options akin to Windows then you probably *should* be using KDE which, IMHO, surpasses Windows with its configurability.
Hi Peter, I have just tested this functionality on KDE 4.10.5. I set to receive a notifications when battery reaches critical threshold both on screen and by sound alarm, but nothing happened: laptop powered down and worst of all, without go in hibernate state! There are some settings I should verify in BIOS? I'm using Lenovo Z470. Cheers, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) opensuse 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64 bit - Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop Gnome 3.8.4 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
You are back level. In OS 12.3 with KDE 4.11 I get plenty of pop up warnings, and then it went into suspend exactly as planned. Mine wasn't set up to hibernate. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 26/09/13 04:10, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hi Peter,
I have just tested this functionality on KDE 4.10.5. I set to receive a notifications when battery reaches critical threshold both on screen and by sound alarm, but nothing happened: laptop powered down and worst of all, without go in hibernate state!
There are some settings I should verify in BIOS?
I'm using Lenovo Z470.
Cheers,
Make sure the critical battery level is not set too low. If the battery doesn't report its state very accurately and critical is set to something like 5% there may not be enough power and time remaining to hibernate. Try setting it at 20% and if that works, adjust it downwards from there. Also check that the Power Management daemon is running. In System Settings, go to Startup and Shutdown, then Service Manager, and under the bottom Startup Services box, make sure Power Management is ticked. I'm not sure if KDE's power management settings are wholly contained in the .kde4 directory or whether they share other system configuration files. If you've had other DEs installed, even after uninstalling them they could have left something on the system that is interfering and blocking KDE's power management, but that's a longshot. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 26/09/2013 07:29, Peter ha scritto:
On 26/09/13 04:10, Marco Calistri wrote:
Hi Peter,
I have just tested this functionality on KDE 4.10.5. I set to receive a notifications when battery reaches critical threshold both on screen and by sound alarm, but nothing happened: laptop powered down and worst of all, without go in hibernate state!
There are some settings I should verify in BIOS?
I'm using Lenovo Z470.
Cheers,
Make sure the critical battery level is not set too low. If the battery doesn't report its state very accurately and critical is set to something like 5% there may not be enough power and time remaining to hibernate. Try setting it at 20% and if that works, adjust it downwards from there.
Also check that the Power Management daemon is running. In System Settings, go to Startup and Shutdown, then Service Manager, and under the bottom Startup Services box, make sure Power Management is ticked.
I'm not sure if KDE's power management settings are wholly contained in the .kde4 directory or whether they share other system configuration files. If you've had other DEs installed, even after uninstalling them they could have left something on the system that is interfering and blocking KDE's power management, but that's a longshot. Hi Peter,
I will give a try. About older KDE installations, do you think I have to cancel my .kde4 directory and restart KDE? Do you remeber the name of KDE power management service so that I can check from console if it is running? Thanks. Regards, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) opensuse 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64 bit - Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop Gnome 3.8.3 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 26/09/13 18:05, Marco Calistri wrote:
About older KDE installations, do you think I have to cancel my .kde4 directory and restart KDE?
That would be a drastic measure and is best avoided unless all else fails. A better option is to create a new user account for testing, and see if the same symptoms appear there.
Do you remeber the name of KDE power management service so that I can check from console if it is running?
No, sorry, I've never dealt with power management from the command line. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 27/09/2013 08:39, Peter ha scritto:
On 26/09/13 18:05, Marco Calistri wrote:
About older KDE installations, do you think I have to cancel my .kde4 directory and restart KDE?
That would be a drastic measure and is best avoided unless all else fails. A better option is to create a new user account for testing, and see if the same symptoms appear there.
Do you remeber the name of KDE power management service so that I can check from console if it is running?
No, sorry, I've never dealt with power management from the command line.
Peter Thanks Peter!
Regards, -- Marco Calistri (amdturion) opensuse 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64 bit - Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop Gnome 3.8.4 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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