Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

Am 28.09.2010 14:07, schrieb Per Jessen:

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firefox 3.6.8, opensuse 11.3 - when printing form firefox, the options for changing paper size and orientation are greyed out?

Not in general AFAICS. Which dialog you are referring to?

I hit Ctrl-P, select the right printer, then I go to Page Setup . -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Per Jessen [09-28-10 09:25]:

Dylan wrote:

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On Tuesday 28 Sep 2010, Per Jessen wrote:

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firefox 3.6.8, opensuse 11.3 - when printing form firefox, the options for changing paper size and orientation are greyed out?

You need to use the "page setup" dialog first

If it's not the one I get after I hit Ctrl-P in FF, how do I get to it?

FireFox menu-bar "File" -> "page setup" drop-down menu -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Per Jessen [09-28-10 09:25]:

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Dylan wrote:

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On Tuesday 28 Sep 2010, Per Jessen wrote:

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firefox 3.6.8, opensuse 11.3 - when printing form firefox, the options for changing paper size and orientation are greyed out?

You need to use the "page setup" dialog first

If it's not the one I get after I hit Ctrl-P in FF, how do I get to it?

FireFox menu-bar "File" -> "page setup" drop-down menu

Thanks!

Looks like the same applies to gimp, thunderbird, presumably others too - is there a way of setting this globally? Having to set the default papersize in every application individually does not seem very clever - did I pick something wrong at installation time? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Johannes Meixner wrote:

In any case: Whatever user-specific print queue settings there are in a particular user's ~/.cups/lpoptions file,

Hi Johannes I guess that's for a local override? It's currently empty.

any printing dialog should show up with those settings by default. In other words: Any printing dialog should show up with the same user-specific default settings which are marked by a leading '*' in the lpoptions -p -l output.

That shows A4 being the default media size. The media source is shown as "Internal *PF60A and MF1" which is usually represented in the printing dialogue as "Cassette 1", "Cassette 2" and "MPF". /etc/cups/ppd/Kyocera.ppd has "DefaultPageSize: A4". Nonetheless, I still had to change from US Letter to A4 manually?? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.3°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 30/09/10 11:05, Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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Johannes Meixner wrote:

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In any case: Whatever user-specific print queue settings there are in a particular user's ~/.cups/lpoptions file,

Hi Johannes

I guess that's for a local override? It's currently empty.

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any printing dialog should show up with those settings by default. In other words: Any printing dialog should show up with the same user-specific default settings which are marked by a leading '*' in the lpoptions -p -l output.

That shows A4 being the default media size. The media source is shown as "Internal *PF60A and MF1" which is usually represented in the printing dialogue as "Cassette 1", "Cassette 2" and "MPF".

Oops, that is only in ooo and acroread, not the ff/tb/gimp printing dialogue. Here it is "Printer default", "Cassette 1" and "MPF".

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/etc/cups/ppd/Kyocera.ppd has "DefaultPageSize: A4".

Nonetheless, I still had to change from US Letter to A4 manually??

I then created /etc/cups/lpoptions containing the following:

Default Kyocera DefaultPagesize=A4

(well, that was written when I ran 'lpoptions -o DefaultPagesize=A4 -p Kyocera").

Thunderbird still says "US Letter" and it is greyed out. I have noticed that FF/TB page size defaults don't match the cups defaults. My method is to open about:config (easy in Firefox, might need an extension in Thunderbird) and search for "print_paper_name" and change it from "na_letter" to "iso_a4".

However I don't see any dialogs greyed out. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 30/09/10 12:59, Per Jessen wrote:

Tejas Guruswamy wrote:

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I have noticed that FF/TB page size defaults don't match the cups defaults. My method is to open about:config (easy in Firefox, might need an extension in Thunderbird) and search for "print_paper_name" and change it from "na_letter" to "iso_a4".

Patrik Shanahan explained to me earlier how to set the defaults through the File->Page Setup menu option, but my question was about a way to set this globally, i.e. for all users and all applications on a system or a site. According to Johannes Meixner applications should get their defaults from the cups settings, but that doesn't appear to be working completely.

How about editing a file in /usr/lib/{firefox,thunderbird}/defaults/preferences? I don't know exactly how the mozilla default preferences system works, but that seems to be where firefox and thunderbird get their defaults from. add something like pref("print.print_paper_name", "iso_a4"); there (to one of the existing files or a new file, dunno which will work, i'm only guessing). Or edit /usr/lib/{firefox,thunderbird}/defaults/profile/prefs.js - that is the skeleton user preference file for new profiles. Although, obviously that will only take effect if a new profile is created. Not "proper" solutions, but if you just want the job done ... Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2010-09-30 at 12:50 +0100, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:

I have noticed that FF/TB page size defaults don't match the cups defaults. My method is to open about:config (easy in Firefox, might need an extension in Thunderbird) and search for "print_paper_name" and change it from "na_letter" to "iso_a4".

I have been told that is the only method that works with FF. :-( - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkylxPoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WpogCfd9GWBk/MLbMHdXLhubiAnBjr DxwAnirdL8wC0ld/TDFNSF/cPFZWJCPU =rS+x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2010-10-01 at 13:29 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

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need an extension in Thunderbird) and search for "print_paper_name" and change it from "na_letter" to "iso_a4".

I have been told that is the only method that works with FF. :-(

Menu File->Page Setup worked fine for me, but I'd prefer a global system- or site-wide option. Such as the one supplied by the printer setup.

That has never worked. :-( - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkyl148ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UuKgCfcPH7Ji2loSB3ELFPFTcUR5Ja wloAnA8mBgndOZYseb2QKAX4Ww+fuTDR =fYUt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Johannes Meixner wrote:

Check that there is no /etc/cups/lpoptions file which contains a page size which contradicts the default in /etc/cups/ppd/Kyocera.ppd (but if there was such a file, "lpoptions -p -l" would have shown the page size from that file marked as default).

The system I'm testing this on is pretty much vanilla openSUSE 11.3, except it has KDE4.5.1 and the last updates - there was no /etc/cups/lpoptions.

If there is no such /etc/cups/lpoptions file, any application or printing dialog which shows a default page size which is not the one in /etc/cups/ppd/Kyocera.ppd has very likely a bug or it does not query CUPS for the actual default paper size (the latter is strictly speaking not a bug but a missing feature)

This would seem to affect at least FF, TB and Gimp which all use the same printing dialogue.

which proves that "There is no such thing as THE default paper size" and the consequence is that you have to set such stuff manually (sometimes even again and again in the same application when the application cannot save your settings).

Hmm. Seems to me that we ought to be putting more focus on getting this sort of trivial thing to "just work". Isn't that what the current strategy proposal talks about? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hello, On Sep 30 15:52 David C. Rankin wrote (shortened):

The question is why these dialogs are not respecting /etc/papersize

Hopefully not too many programs do respect it! # rpm -qf /etc/papersize groff-1.18.1.1-... See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=88286#c14 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes> Can we rely on /etc/papersize? No, please don't rely on /etc/papersize. This is a debian extension to groff, which "accidentally" is in our groff package as well because we use the debian groff patch to make groff work for Japanese. As soon as the upstream groff has decent support for UTF-8 and Japanese, this patch will not be needed anymore and /etc/papersize may disappear as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I filed now https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=643083 Many thanks to point out this old issue with /etc/papersize! The whole /etc/papersize idea cannot work really well because in the end only the printable area for a particular printer does matter, see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Print_Settings_with_CUPS ------------------------------------------------------------------- There is no such thing as "THE" default paper size. ... Preferably application programs should query CUPS (more precisely a cupsd which is accessible on localhost or via network) to get the PPD file for a specific print queue and use the "DefaultPageSize" value as default paper size when the application is creating a document which is meant to be printed. Furthermore the application should use the matching "ImageableArea" values in the PPD to make sure that the content of the document does not exceed the actual printable area of the particular printer. Strictly speaking for an application which produces a document which is meant to be printed the page size is irrelevant. Actually only the printable area does matter when it comes to printing a document on a particular printer. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2010-09-30 at 08:34 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

Looks like the same applies to gimp, thunderbird, presumably others too - is there a way of setting this globally? Having to set the default papersize in every application individually does not seem very clever - did I pick something wrong at installation time?

cer@Telcontar:~> cat /etc/papersize a4 cat /etc/cups/lpoptions Default cp1510n_ps PageSize=A4 Dest cp1515n_hpijs PageSize=A4 Dest cp1515n_pcl3 PageSize=A4 And, when I configured the printer in yast, I took care to define "A4" as the default size. However, FF defaults to US letter size. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkylxQsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UsdACaA8z8uG5lMmzlooTx0ImXUhpT J4kAn3i9RIYmM94oDKYjwl8ZZqeno3c/ =E2qv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org