On 03/19/2015 03:55 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

In addition to the search issue, FF36 will not restore tabs or home pages after crash. Crashreporter runs, but on restart, FF36 presents a single blank page instead of restoring tabs. FF35 did not have this problem.

That problem has also existed in Seamonkey, where it will occasionally not be able to restore pages. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 20/03/15 07:00, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 03/19/2015 01:47 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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All,

Updates to 13.1 brought in FF36 which has the annoying habit of popping up a dialog for search engine selection every time I type something in the search dialog -- grr. I've already set preferences -> search to my default StartPage search and I DO NOT want to have that annoying dialog pop-up every time I type. It often covers up the very text I am reading/copying into my query.

Has anyone found an about:config switch, or userChrome.css/userContent.css way to kill it?

p.s. - Will someone please take UI development away from the children who liked playing with Crayons and fingerpaints... What's next? Dancing icons on mouseover toolbar?

Hah - found it:

about:config, then set

"browser.search.showOneOffButtons" false

Bless you, David! :-) This has solved my source of frustration with this inane option. I have already suggested that (admittedly, some) developers should be given the Rorschach - or even the Holtzman Inkblot - Test before being let loose on software development. (I like your comment about "Will someone please take UI development away from the children who liked playing with Crayons and fingerpaints.." Much better expressed than my psychological tests.) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.4 & kernel 3.19.1-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 20/03/15 23:00, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [03-20-15 00:49]:

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On 03/19/2015 01:47 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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All,

Updates to 13.1 brought in FF36 which has the annoying habit of popping up a dialog for search engine selection every time I type something in the search dialog -- grr. I've already set preferences -> search to my default StartPage search and I DO NOT want to have that annoying dialog pop-up every time I type. It often covers up the very text I am reading/copying into my query.

Has anyone found an about:config switch, or userChrome.css/userContent.css way to kill it?

p.s. - Will someone please take UI development away from the children who liked playing with Crayons and fingerpaints... What's next? Dancing icons on mouseover toolbar?

Hah - found it:

about:config, then set

"browser.search.showOneOffButtons" false Bless you, David! :-) This has solved my source of frustration with

On 20/03/15 07:00, David C. Rankin wrote: this inane option. I don't understand. I have FF 36 and "browser.search.showOneOffButtons" true

I get no "popups" querying search engine, no crashes or none lately that I recall and if I close all instances of FF at the same time (kill the processes), I get a request to reopen the same pages that were closed.

Yeah, but at the same time nobody is having hassles with Network Manager but you cannot harness it! :-D

I have already suggested that (admittedly, some) developers should be given the Rorschach - or even the Holtzman Inkblot - Test before being let loose on software development.

(I like your comment about "Will someone please take UI development away from the children who liked playing with Crayons and fingerpaints.." Much better expressed than my psychological tests.) Knew you would.

True to form - I just knew that you would post something like this.

Amazing treatment/opinion of those volunteering their knowledge and labors. If you can do better..... Do it instead of criticizing those that do. The world will be a better place. If not, put a sock in it.

You know, I have come across this stupid argument a number of times in the past. Some years ago I was "blessed" with having to be associated with someone who held just this wacky idea - which he _fervently_ believed to be true. He, too, was a programmer/developer (strange that, isn't it?). And he "infected" other people around him with this laughable attitude. If it isn't already obvious to you, there is nobody who is a "master of all things" and who, therefore, does not have the aptitude to do certain things. I can take an engine apart and put it together and I can build you a piece of furniture, for example, but a friend of mine has to call in a handyman to change a light bulb - and I mean this literally. He doesn't know how to use a screwdriver. I also worked with a man who couldn't change the (annual) 'refill' of the desk-calendar at the end of the year - I had to do it for him. Bottom line here is, just in case you and others are missing the point, is that I, and many others, cannot program if my life depended on it. However, I/we can still make comments about the software we are using. There is one other aspect to all of this - and which is one which I made known when I had that "blessed" association with one whose motto was, "I am volunteer and don't have the time so if you want to have something done then do it yourself, or volunteer if you can it better" - very similar to what you stated above. My response to this was: 1) If something is worth doing then it is worth doing well; and 2) Nobody asked you to volunteer. If doing something which the "client" is asking about is too much for you to pay attention to then go away and let someone else do it and stop crying that "I am volunteer" because, as I said, nobody forced you to volunteer.

Attitude points diminishing rapidly

Whatever this means........ BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.6 & kernel 3.19.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* David C. Rankin [03-26-15 19:52]:

On 03/20/2015 07:00 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I don't understand. I have FF 36 and "browser.search.showOneOffButtons" true

You must have more than 1 search provider configured.

iianm, default install "from opensuse" includes several search engines. My install which I have altered over the years, has 11, including yahoo, bling, amazing, ebay, and twitter none of which were installed by me.

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I get no "popups" querying search engine, no crashes or none lately that I recall and if I close all instances of FF at the same time (kill the processes), I get a request to reopen the same pages that were closed.

Mine completely broke on update from FF35-36. Now when FF crashes -- and it crashes alot now, I get a blank page.

Trying 36.04 from update and crossing fingers...

currently 36.0.1 "Firefox for openSUSE /n openSUSE - 13.2" on my Tw mach. When a Tw update is presented, I will go to it. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Istvan Gabor wrote:

I think many softwares, not only firefox, suffers from wrong development directions. Since developers think they know better what you have to like and aren't listening to feedback, one of your options is not to use these programs. I refuse to use any firefox version newer than 24.x ESR. (By the way I think the design of "simple" core program extendable with extension is just bad. And the install file of this simple core is 3-4 times bigger than full featured opera 12's install file.)

Actually, it's more a problem of someone(usually a dev, rarely something a user requested) wants to test out a new feature they think is cool, and then force it on everyone else. Like Desktop Search(how many DS tools have we had over the years? And they keep writing new ones instead of fixing the current or throwing in the towel). Amazingly some of us could care less about desktop search. "semantic desktop" - what is it really(still haven't figured it out & I've read alot about it) & WHY do devs think we NEED it?, 3D desktops, systemd, etc, etc. Yes, it's great that these people give their time and talent for us to have FOSS. However, those of us non-coders have very little choice when programs are "upgraded" to newer versions. Fortunately, there are devs working on gnome & kde forks(like cinnamon & TDE), but they are a minority. A lot of users just get used to how the new versions work instead of investigating or using alternatives. Because you shouldn't stand in the way of progress. 20 years ago people did work on their computers just fine, like word processing with WordPerfect for DOS. The quest to "take advantage" of new hardware like new video chips has always seemed like a waste of time to me. I just want things to work. While I don't mind testing, I don't want to be forced to be a tester on my production machines because someone wants everyone to try out his new version(like KDE4's disastrous release - they seem to be doing much better with v5, though I don't personally use either). OMG I'm starting to sound like a crotchety old man.........But I'm ok with that. Just my 2 cents. and David - yeah, that new search box hit me as well. I managed to revert it(for now till they remove it). What I would like to see if the ability to choice search tools when I highlight text and right click it and choose "Search Google for" so that it expands out with "Search for ??? with:" like the Open With dialogue. That I would find useful instead of changing it up at the search box to use eBay or Wikipedia instead..... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/22/2015 05:00 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

Hi,

let me give a few comments on this as the maintainer of the openSUSE Firefox package. Not everything what Firefox upstream is doing is actually to my personal taste. But hey, who am I to push my taste to all openSUSE users to the price of heavily patching Firefox (which is not really easily allowed anyway), forking the "Firefox" experience compared to other editions and platforms etc.

I really would like everyone who is usually constantly expressing his dislike of changes in Firefox upstream to _report to upstream_! There is a far better chance of being heard and if there are still too few people complaining there afterwards then so be it.

Thanks, Wolfgang

Thank you Wolfgang for all the effort you put into openSuSE. You just hit the nail on the head as far as where to post the complaints. Keep up the good work. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [03-22-15 08:46]:

On 22/03/15 20:00, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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Hi,

let me give a few comments on this as the maintainer of the openSUSE Firefox package. Not everything what Firefox upstream is doing is actually to my personal taste. But hey, who am I to push my taste to all openSUSE users to the price of heavily patching Firefox (which is not really easily allowed anyway), forking the "Firefox" experience compared to other editions and platforms etc.

I really would like everyone who is usually constantly expressing his dislike of changes in Firefox upstream to _report to upstream_! There is a far better chance of being heard and if there are still too few people complaining there afterwards then so be it.

Thanks, Wolfgang]

A most valid point - to which I would like to make the following comments:

* perhaps comments/dislikes/suggestions expressed here by openSUSE users could be passed on "upstream" by someone, perhaps like yourself seeing as how close you are to Firefox being its maintainer and whose efforts have not gone unnoticed?; and

* what is exactly is "upstream"? Perhaps mention of an e-mail address or a mail list?

Geez Basil, it's Mozilla Firefox. A few seconds on google or mozilla.com and you surely will find the answer. Don't put the onus for your dislikes on someone else. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 13:44, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 22/03/15 20:00, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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Hi,

let me give a few comments on this as the maintainer of the openSUSE Firefox package. Not everything what Firefox upstream is doing is actually to my personal taste. But hey, who am I to push my taste to all openSUSE users to the price of heavily patching Firefox (which is not really easily allowed anyway), forking the "Firefox" experience compared to other editions and platforms etc.

I really would like everyone who is usually constantly expressing his dislike of changes in Firefox upstream to _report to upstream_! There is a far better chance of being heard and if there are still too few people complaining there afterwards then so be it.

Thanks, Wolfgang

A most valid point - to which I would like to make the following comments:

* perhaps comments/dislikes/suggestions expressed here by openSUSE users could be passed on "upstream" by someone, perhaps like yourself seeing as how close you are to Firefox being its maintainer and whose efforts have not gone unnoticed?; and

* what is exactly is "upstream"? Perhaps mention of an e-mail address or a mail list?

Main Tracker: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ This is the "meta-Bug" for the new search UI: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088660 How to contact, lower third of the page: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/contact/spaces/ Forums, e-mail lists: https://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/ IRC: https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/22/2015 04:00 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

I really would like everyone who is usually constantly expressing his dislike of changes in Firefox upstream to_report to upstream_! There is a far better chance of being heard and if there are still too few people complaining there afterwards then so be it.

I pester them repeatedly - (last filed 3/15/15) new "feature" (respect no-cache) setting not allowing https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1138291 The reason I also post here, is this is where we have always posted for what, 15 years? I have always been amazed by the smart folks here. If I don't have the answer, 9 times out of 10, somebody here does. The loss of ergonomic and click/key efficiency in UI design is troubling. The focus now seems totally to be "how do I make it look cooler (or black-and-white)?" instead of on "how do I make it work the most efficiently, with the minimum number of clicks/keys possible and with the color/contrast that works for the visually impaired as well?" This list reaches a great number of people, it's worth leaving a few pearls of wisdom for the designers among us. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org