[opensuse] MinGW versions of openSUSE libraries
I really like the idea of the MinGW version of libraries and other things on openSUSE that is available in OBS. I am planning on moving some of the Windows libs that I maintain to using the ones in OBS. However, (there had to be a however, right?) I am a bit confused: There are on OBS versions of, say, libtiff, for openSUSE and for Windows. Interestingly, there is a MinGW repository for each release of openSUSE. For example, windows:/mingw:/win32/openSUSE_11.2 I would think that the reason for having different versions of the MinGW repos is that each can contain a version that matches the version installed in the corresponding openSUSE release. Alas, that is not the case. For example, on openSUSE 11.2, libtiff is at version 3.8.2, while the MinGW version is 3.9.4. This is the case for many, perhaps even most, libraries. If the version in the windows:/mingw:/win32/openSUSE_XX.X directory has nothing to do with the version of that library installed in openSUSE_XX.X, why are there version for each openSUSE release? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/27/2010 09:23 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I really like the idea of the MinGW version of libraries and other things on openSUSE that is available in OBS. I am planning on moving some of the Windows libs that I maintain to using the ones in OBS.
However, (there had to be a however, right?) I am a bit confused:
There are on OBS versions of, say, libtiff, for openSUSE and for Windows. Interestingly, there is a MinGW repository for each release of openSUSE. For example, windows:/mingw:/win32/openSUSE_11.2
I would think that the reason for having different versions of the MinGW repos is that each can contain a version that matches the version installed in the corresponding openSUSE release.
Alas, that is not the case. For example, on openSUSE 11.2, libtiff is at version 3.8.2, while the MinGW version is 3.9.4.
This is the case for many, perhaps even most, libraries. If the version in the windows:/mingw:/win32/openSUSE_XX.X directory has nothing to do with the version of that library installed in openSUSE_XX.X, why are there version for each openSUSE release?
Dunno, but from experience, use caution when using the mingw repository and then doing a zypper up. With 11.0, the mingw lib versions were 1-2 versions newer than 11.0. 90% of them worked just fine, but the other 10% were not backwards compatible and broke things.... Yast/zypper didn't always catch the dependency issues. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 15:14 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Dunno, but from experience, use caution when using the mingw repository and then doing a zypper up. With 11.0, the mingw lib versions were 1-2 versions newer than 11.0. 90% of them worked just fine, but the other 10% were not backwards compatible and broke things.... Yast/zypper didn't always catch the dependency issues.
This is what I am wondering about. Is it the intention that they always be the latest even in non-Factory folders? This sort of breaks the whole OBS layout philosophy where things in the various same-named OpenSUSEXX.X folders all work together. Ming32 is clearly violating this. Or perhaps I have misunderstood this concept. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/28/2010 01:32 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 15:14 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Dunno, but from experience, use caution when using the mingw repository and then doing a zypper up. With 11.0, the mingw lib versions were 1-2 versions newer than 11.0. 90% of them worked just fine, but the other 10% were not backwards compatible and broke things.... Yast/zypper didn't always catch the dependency issues.
This is what I am wondering about. Is it the intention that they always be the latest even in non-Factory folders? This sort of breaks the whole OBS layout philosophy where things in the various same-named OpenSUSEXX.X folders all work together. Ming32 is clearly violating this. Or perhaps I have misunderstood this concept.
I never figured that one out either. I don't know why the versions were that much newer in mingw. My understanding was that mingw was sort of separate from the rest of OBS and just focused on the latest build environment libraries, etc.. I never figured out why the versions for say 11.0 or 11.1 wouldn't actually work well with its intended version of opensuse from a dependency standpoint. I just came to view it as "mingw had the 'current' versions of the packages, while opensuse was always 1-3 minor versions behind." From that standpoint mingw really didn't fit into the OBS framework for opensuse_11.x because it would break things or cause dependency hell if you enabled it as a repository. I'm sure there is an reason why that it so, but so far it escapes explanation. Maybe some of the mingw folks can chime in and help us out?? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 02:42:33AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 10/28/2010 01:32 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 15:14 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Dunno, but from experience, use caution when using the mingw repository and then doing a zypper up. With 11.0, the mingw lib versions were 1-2 versions newer than 11.0. 90% of them worked just fine, but the other 10% were not backwards compatible and broke things.... Yast/zypper didn't always catch the dependency issues.
This is what I am wondering about. Is it the intention that they always be the latest even in non-Factory folders? This sort of breaks the whole OBS layout philosophy where things in the various same-named OpenSUSEXX.X folders all work together. Ming32 is clearly violating this. Or perhaps I have misunderstood this concept.
I never figured that one out either. I don't know why the versions were that much newer in mingw. My understanding was that mingw was sort of separate from the rest of OBS and just focused on the latest build environment libraries, etc.. I never figured out why the versions for say 11.0 or 11.1 wouldn't actually work well with its intended version of opensuse from a dependency standpoint. I just came to view it as "mingw had the 'current' versions of the packages, while opensuse was always 1-3 minor versions behind." From that standpoint mingw really didn't fit into the OBS framework for opensuse_11.x because it would break things or cause dependency hell if you enabled it as a repository.
I'm sure there is an reason why that it so, but so far it escapes explanation. Maybe some of the mingw folks can chime in and help us out??
Ask the maintainer, fstrba. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 09:58 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Ask the maintainer, fstrba.
I will do this. But is my general belief that the things in the various same-named OpenSUSEXX.X folders should, in a perfect world, all work together? Of course, what it means to 'work together' surely is not globally defined for all OPB repos. But if that is not, at some level, the intention in OBS, then my question is moot. It just seems odd that openSUSE11.2, openSUSE11.3 and Factory would all have the same new release of something, even when openSUSE11.2 and openSUSE11.3 are each at some earlier distro-specific release. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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