On 2015-07-23 23:13, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:10 PM, buhorojo wrote:

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Hi We have updated a 12.3 install and plan to upgrade to 13.2 by changing the opensuse repos from 12.3 to 13.2 in yast and updating the distribution using zypper.

Odds are high that it will work and lots of people do it, but it is officially not supported.

It can easily fail. One reasoning is that the zypper/rpm in the old stack may not be fully compatible with the one in the new release. When this happens, the previous release gets patched to be compatible, but not the one one two or more releases older. However, an offline update (boot dvd, choose upgrade) has many more chances of success. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

On 24/07/15 01:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2015-07-23 23:13, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:10 PM, buhorojo wrote:

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Hi We have updated a 12.3 install and plan to upgrade to 13.2 by changing the opensuse repos from 12.3 to 13.2 in yast and updating the distribution using zypper. Odds are high that it will work and lots of people do it, but it is officially not supported. It can easily fail.

One reasoning is that the zypper/rpm in the old stack may not be fully compatible with the one in the new release. When this happens, the previous release gets patched to be compatible, but not the one one two or more releases older.

However, an offline update (boot dvd, choose upgrade) has many more chances of success.

OK Thanks everyone. It's good advice. We went via 13.1. It's not that much longer anyway. We thought upgrades would take a lot longer. ** offline update?? How would that get us the new stuff? We don't have dvd anyway:( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 24/07/15 13:24, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:

On July 24, 2015 6:35:24 AM EDT, buhorojo wrote:

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On 24/07/15 01:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2015-07-23 23:13, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:10 PM, buhorojo wrote:

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Hi We have updated a 12.3 install and plan to upgrade to 13.2 by changing the opensuse repos from 12.3 to 13.2 in yast and updating the distribution using zypper. Odds are high that it will work and lots of people do it, but it is officially not supported. It can easily fail.

One reasoning is that the zypper/rpm in the old stack may not be fully compatible with the one in the new release. When this happens, the previous release gets patched to be compatible, but not the one one two or more releases older.

However, an offline update (boot dvd, choose upgrade) has many more chances of success.

OK Thanks everyone. It's good advice. We went via 13.1. It's not that much longer anyway. We thought upgrades would take a lot longer.

** offline update?? How would that get us the new stuff? We don't have dvd anyway:( You can also create a bootable flash drive with the full DVD's ISO on it. That is relatively cheap and not too hard to do.

Greg

The nearest we can get on a search is this: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/13.2/iso/ Which is it? But they are dated October 2014. That's not going to get us up to date, is it? Maybe we are not asking correctly. How do we define upgrade and update here? Is this _instead_ of doing the 13.1 intermediate step? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 24/07/15 20:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Of course, after the system offline upgrade, you have to do an online update to install all patches made since release date.

Yes, of course. We were being spectacularly thick. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/24/2015 02:00 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

By booting the big ISO, be it on a DVD or on a USB stick, you can install the distribution, or, choose to upgrade an existing one. Of course, after the system offline upgrade, you have to do an online update to install all patches made since release date.

Hmm. Suppose I load the ISO onto a USB stick and make that bootable. Does that make it a "Live" system? No, I didn't think so. There was a thread about that a couple of years back https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/485658-Persistence-and-Live-Opens... You can use the LiveCD and put that on a stick https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_USB_stick but my recollection is that it is a limited system, suitable for 'evaluation' and installation of the base system which you then upgrade, but not really a "portable Linux". My old HP laptop only had a 60G drive and I never used all of that since things like email were on the IMAP server in California or London or New York. Some PCs even have two USB slots, so guess what! Well the idea of a portable 32-bit Linux on a 64G stick seems reasonable, doesn't it. 64G quality sticks are $25 or under at TigerDirect, 128G less than twice that. If you can tolerate the risk of questionable quality, those items are available from the far East for 1/4 to 1/5th the price on eBay. I've been lucky with 32G sticks at around $4-$5 but don't go for the SDXC cards at that size from the far East. http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9736912&csid=_61 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7... What this implies to me is that a fast (?USB3?) stick on a suitably large USB with persistence makes for a portable Linux that is "secure" in that you can remove the drive and put it in your pocket and walk away. We're not talking blinding fast here, were not talking gaming, we're not talking Phoronix type performance, we're talking convenience. So what about a full installation with persistent /home on a stick, a "portable Linux"? Well you could do a perfectly normal install ... just do it onto the USB stick instead of the hard drive. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-suse-flash-drive-install/ Is there a better way? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 26/07/15 00:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2015-07-25 15:56, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 07/24/2015 02:00 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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By booting the big ISO, be it on a DVD or on a USB stick, you can install the distribution, or, choose to upgrade an existing one. Of course, after the system offline upgrade, you have to do an online update to install all patches made since release date. Hmm. Suppose I load the ISO onto a USB stick and make that bootable. Actually, you just copy the ISO into the stick:

cp opensuse.iso /dev/sdb

that's all. It is already bootable.

Hi It didn't work here. Still, not a problem. We needed imagewriter. You just drop it into the window. Also, you have to set it not to boot from the laptop. That's much more of a pain.

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-suse-flash-drive-install/

Is there a better way? Well, distros can be optimized for that use. You have to reduce the number of writes, for instance. Syslog and others.

Bitter experience not to recommend it. As soon as you start writing to it it fails. HTH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org