On 23/11/13 16:48, john wrote:

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:10:52 john wrote:

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On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 15:27:31 Basil Chupin wrote:

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Last night I installed 13.1 on my (new) laptop and I was able to use the WLAN for several hours downloading the upgrades to 13.1, as well as browsing the 'net.

However, this morning I have no WLAN connection :-( .

I am stumped as to why WLAN disappeared, and I don't know what to check and where (although I did check Network in YaST - but don't know what should appear there anyway).

Can anyone please provide a suggestion or two as to where I should look to get WLAN working again?

The WLAN is an Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300. I have installed 13.1 on an older Asus notebook, I have both an ethernet & wireless connection, for the last couple of days I have stuck with ethernet for a range of downloads, and haven't needed to use the wireless.

I had a look at my Yast Network Settings, it shows the ethernet controller with my fixed ip address (192.168.1.x) and the wireles wifi as DHCP. However it also gives a warning that Yast cannot edit the settings as the Network is currently controlled by Network Manager, rather than ifup.

My desktop is KDE and I can access the Network Manager from the panel icon. Hovering the mouse over the icon shows the ethernet is connected while wifi is shown as not connected. Clicking on the icon brings up a window showing connections, From there you can go into the wireless through manage connections or by clicking on the wireless ssid .

There are probably similar steps if you are using another desktop.

Hope this gives some pointers.

Further, I note that the documentation in the opensuse reference manual is quite comprehensive. Documentation has been moved to http://activedoc.opensuse.org/

Wireless Lan is covered in Ch.24, http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/opensuse-reference/chapter-24-wireless-la...

Hope this helps.

John

Thanks, John. This chapter will now occupy my time for some time :-) . I just hope that it will provide the answer as to why overnight the wi-fi suddenly stopped working. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.3 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 24/11/13 01:09, Billie Walsh wrote:

On 11/23/2013 12:06 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 23/11/13 16:48, john wrote:

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On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:10:52 john wrote:

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On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 15:27:31 Basil Chupin wrote:

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Last night I installed 13.1 on my (new) laptop and I was able to use the WLAN for several hours downloading the upgrades to 13.1, as well as browsing the 'net.

However, this morning I have no WLAN connection :-( .

I am stumped as to why WLAN disappeared, and I don't know what to check and where (although I did check Network in YaST - but don't know what should appear there anyway).

Can anyone please provide a suggestion or two as to where I should look to get WLAN working again?

The WLAN is an Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300. I have installed 13.1 on an older Asus notebook, I have both an ethernet & wireless connection, for the last couple of days I have stuck with ethernet for a range of downloads, and haven't needed to use the wireless.

I had a look at my Yast Network Settings, it shows the ethernet controller with my fixed ip address (192.168.1.x) and the wireles wifi as DHCP. However it also gives a warning that Yast cannot edit the settings as the Network is currently controlled by Network Manager, rather than ifup.

My desktop is KDE and I can access the Network Manager from the panel icon. Hovering the mouse over the icon shows the ethernet is connected while wifi is shown as not connected. Clicking on the icon brings up a window showing connections, From there you can go into the wireless through manage connections or by clicking on the wireless ssid .

There are probably similar steps if you are using another desktop.

Hope this gives some pointers.

Further, I note that the documentation in the opensuse reference manual is quite comprehensive. Documentation has been moved to http://activedoc.opensuse.org/

Wireless Lan is covered in Ch.24, http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/opensuse-reference/chapter-24-wireless-la...

Hope this helps.

John

Thanks, John. This chapter will now occupy my time for some time :-) . I just hope that it will provide the answer as to why overnight the wi-fi suddenly stopped working.

BC

OK, stupid question time. [ I haven't really been following this thread but did catch a couple replies ]

Is your WIFI on the laptop turned on?

The reason I ask is most modern laptops have a WIFI switch so that you can "turn off" the WIFI. Mine happens to be near the front edge on the left side. My WIFI has always worked perfectly, no issues at all. However, one day it wouldn't work on it's usual connection. Drove me absolutely bonkers for a couple days until I discovered that somehow the switch had gotten turned off. Possibly while taking it out of the case.

Just a thought.

Thanks Billie but yes the switch is on. If the switch is off then the "radio mast" 'icon' just below the screen is not lit. But there is another way of switching the wifi on/off apparently by using the combo of FN+F5 keys but even this hasn't got things going. Damn annoying because it was working perfectly the night before, and my wife's el cheapo tablet connects in less than a second or two to the modem/router but this tank........ The laptop came with Windows 8 pre-installed and that is showing that the wifi device is working OK (but even in W8 I cannot get a connection!) I have never had any love for wifi stuff and this isn't helping me to overcome my suspicion of wifi :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.3 & kernel 3.12.1-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 24/11/13 01:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [11-23-13 09:36]: [...] *much* quoting removed

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Thanks Billie but yes the switch is on. If the switch is off then the "radio mast" 'icon' just below the screen is not lit. But there is another way of switching the wifi on/off apparently by using the combo of FN+F5 keys but even this hasn't got things going.

Damn annoying because it was working perfectly the night before, and my wife's el cheapo tablet connects in less than a second or two to the modem/router but this tank........

The laptop came with Windows 8 pre-installed and that is showing that the wifi device is working OK (but even in W8 I cannot get a connection!) I have never had any love for wifi stuff and this isn't helping me to overcome my suspicion of wifi :-) .

*since* you are unable to connect in w8 nor openSUSE, after being able and making no changes, the problem is *probably* of a mechanical nature.

A conclusion I also came to except that.......

Can you see other wireless signals?

...."it" sees other networks which my wife's Samsung tablet also sees so it isn't a mechanical thing. But what is puzzling is that it sees a network which has a garbled name (all zeros/alphas) which I assume to be the home network which my wife's tablet (and the TV and DVD player) connects to effortlessly. A mismatch of signals/wavelenghts but why?

Have you tried windoz trouble-shooting routines?

Yep, and it is as useful as tits on a bull. Tells me that there is a problem but doesn't tell me where or how to fix it. I fought this Windows 8/8.1 pile of horse manure for 4 days and finally gave up and installed 13.1 - without creating a Recovery USB disc as the damn pile of steaming elephant droppings wouldn't allow me!

Have you contacted the vendor or their help-desk remembering not to mention linux in any way?

No, at least not yet. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.3 & kernel 3.12.1-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

El 23/11/13 11:27, Basil Chupin escribió: that

the wifi device is working OK (but even in W8 I cannot get a connection!)

Basil, that kinda looks like the the device was indeed disabled ... try # rfkill unblock all -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 23/11/13 17:06, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 23/11/13 16:48, john wrote:

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On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:10:52 john wrote:

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On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 15:27:31 Basil Chupin wrote:

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Last night I installed 13.1 on my (new) laptop and I was able to use the WLAN for several hours downloading the upgrades to 13.1, as well as browsing the 'net.

However, this morning I have no WLAN connection :-( .

I am stumped as to why WLAN disappeared, and I don't know what to check and where (although I did check Network in YaST - but don't know what should appear there anyway).

Can anyone please provide a suggestion or two as to where I should look to get WLAN working again?

The WLAN is an Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300. I have installed 13.1 on an older Asus notebook, I have both an ethernet & wireless connection, for the last couple of days I have stuck with ethernet for a range of downloads, and haven't needed to use the wireless.

I had a look at my Yast Network Settings, it shows the ethernet controller with my fixed ip address (192.168.1.x) and the wireles wifi as DHCP. However it also gives a warning that Yast cannot edit the settings as the Network is currently controlled by Network Manager, rather than ifup.

My desktop is KDE and I can access the Network Manager from the panel icon. Hovering the mouse over the icon shows the ethernet is connected while wifi is shown as not connected. Clicking on the icon brings up a window showing connections, From there you can go into the wireless through manage connections or by clicking on the wireless ssid .

There are probably similar steps if you are using another desktop.

Hope this gives some pointers.

Further, I note that the documentation in the opensuse reference manual is quite comprehensive. Documentation has been moved to http://activedoc.opensuse.org/

Wireless Lan is covered in Ch.24, http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/opensuse-reference/chapter-24-wireless-la...

Hope this helps.

John

Thanks, John. This chapter will now occupy my time for some time :-) . I just hope that it will provide the answer as to why overnight the wi-fi suddenly stopped working.

Well, I've read that Chapter, tried a few things but still nothing. Tomorrow I think that I shall re-install 13.1 and see what happens. Time for bed. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.3 & kernel 3.12.1-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 24/11/13 04:39, Upscope wrote: [...]

I had this problem on my 12.3 desktop. I shutdown for the night and the next morning after some updates, my network did not work. I found all the network setting were blank. (One of the updates must have wiped them out). I was ready to reinstall, but decided to you the update function on the DVD. It installed some different updates and most of my network setting. I then noticed my old eth0 was still there. (under network settings). I had just installed a new mother board and processor the day before. I copied the settings and deleted the old eth0. All is working now.

Ah, worth trying out because now that I think about there WERE some updates done just before I switched off the laptop and went to bed. I'll try this out when I finish here. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.3 & kernel 3.12.1-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 25/11/13 01:44, Greg Freemyer wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 24/11/13 04:39, Upscope wrote:

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I had this problem on my 12.3 desktop. I shutdown for the night and the next morning after some updates, my network did not work. I found all the network setting were blank. (One of the updates must have wiped them out). I was ready to reinstall, but decided to you the update function on the DVD. It installed some different updates and most of my network setting. I then noticed my old eth0 was still there. (under network settings). I had just installed a new mother board and processor the day before. I copied the settings and deleted the old eth0. All is working now. Ah, worth trying out because now that I think about there WERE some updates done just before I switched off the laptop and went to bed. I'll try this out when I finish here.

BC Basil,

For the longest time my Dell laptop refused to talk to my wireless router after hibernate. (Opensuse 12.3)

Reboot fixed it and so did disconnect / reconnect via network manager.

My problem went away a couple months ago when by chance I replaced my wireless router.

After 13.1 upgrade all still works.

Greg

Thanks, Greg, but I now have a question, or rather 2: 1. are we supposed to be using the network manager or ifup? and 2. is the firewall supposed to be on or off? In 12.3 neither were used as far as I know - ie, there was no network manager and the firewall was off by default. But in 13.1 both are active if I remember what I saw last night (I haven't been back at the laptop since last night - I'm getting sick of the damn thing! :-( ) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.3 & kernel 3.12.1-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [11-24-13 23:05]: [...]

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1. are we supposed to be using the network manager or ifup? and ! I have never gotten network manager to work. I have ifup/ifdown/ifconfig on four boxes, three are Tumbleweed and two of those are wireless. Thanks Patrick and your answer only reinforces what someone is already

On 25/11/13 17:02, Patrick Shanahan wrote: trying to say in another thread here or another oS list: openSUSE's advice to users is getting out of hand, is deficient, and is not useful to people. Contrary to what you just stated above, the only way I finally got this laptop to connect using wifi is to activate the Network Manager - and configure it (using the 'trial and error' approach and some intuition based on past experience). I am posting this message thru the wifi connection and not the ifup which I thought was the one to use - just like you. 2. is the firewall supposed to be on or off?

All my boxes have firewall on.

I activated the firewall, after deactivating it earlier based on what I remembered - rightly or wrongly - from the default setup on 12.3.

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In 12.3 neither were used as far as I know - ie, there was no network manager and the firewall was off by default. But in 13.1 both are active if I remember what I saw last night (I haven't been back at the laptop since last night - I'm getting sick of the damn thing! :-( ) as root, what does "ifconfig" give you.

I dare not look. I happy enough at the moment to be able to type this on the laptop and have it send this via wifi so I am not about to tempt fate :-) . Suffice it for me to say that I got the wifi working. BTW, I know that there are typos in this message and I ask for forgiveness for them because the keyboard on the laptop is not the same as the keyboard i am used to on the desktop and i am therefore hitting keys which are not only in the wrong pa=ce but also have a different touch. Not to mention that I have yet to find how to turn off the touchpad so that my hand or cuff ot my jacket doesn't make the damn cursor jump to another location :-(. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1 on a Lenovo laptop without any idea of what is what. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 25/11/13 23:59, James Knott wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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1. are we supposed to be using the network manager or ifup? and

I prefer network manager for my notebook.

I cannot argue one way or the other re this but I can say that I got my wifi on the laptop working by activating the Network Manager - although I believe that I have never used it until then but used ifup (whatever).

2. is the firewall supposed to be on or off? It's a good idea to have it on, but that won't affect your connection. It can always be turned on or off later.

Again, I won't contest this because the laptop is now working with the firewall active because I do not know which of these, the firewall or the network manager, was contributing to my problem. But I accept what you said and dare not put it to to a test until I have to again re-install the whole sheebang on the laptop :-) . I have spent some 6 solid days and nights on this laptop to get the wifi working and now that it is I am inclined to accept whatever people say about the necessity or otherwise of the firewall :-D . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.3 & kernel 3.12.1-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin wrote:

But I accept what you said and dare not put it to to a test until I have to again re-install the whole sheebang on the laptop :-) .

I can assure you the firewall will not affect WiFi. The firewall works at the IP and transport (TCP & UDP) levels, which are above the layer WiFi works at. However, as I mentioned, it's easy enough to turn the firewall on & off. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org