Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.
The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.
Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?
M
On 07/15/2017 05:36 AM, michael norman wrote:
Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.
The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.
Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?
M
As normal, just create a new document that uses the fonts and margins, etc.. that you like and then save the choices as your Default Document Template.
From then on, you open LO, you get those fonts and settings. Just google LO
set default font and you will find a howto.
On 07/15/2017 12:41 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/15/2017 05:36 AM, michael norman wrote:
Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.
The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.
Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?
M
As normal, just create a new document that uses the fonts and margins, etc.. that you like and then save the choices as your Default Document Template. From then on, you open LO, you get those fonts and settings. Just google LO set default font and you will find a howto.
OK, I opened LO writer to create a new document my problem immediately is that BS Charter is no longer in the drop down list of fonts. Doing the exact same thing on another 42.2 box which has not been upgraded BS Charter is still there. I can set default fonts but not if the one I want to set as default is not available.
My suspicion is that the OS upgrade has broken something, at least it has for me, so can I roll that back ? It all looked innocent enough so I accepted what was offered, not being that much of an expert on that sort of thing. Is it just me or have others found the same thing I wonder ?
M
Op zaterdag 15 juli 2017 14:08:06 CEST schreef michael norman:
On 07/15/2017 12:41 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/15/2017 05:36 AM, michael norman wrote:
Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.
The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.
Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?
M
As normal, just create a new document that uses the fonts and margins, etc.. that you like and then save the choices as your Default Document Template.> From then on, you open LO, you get those fonts and settings. Just google LO
set default font and you will find a howto.
OK, I opened LO writer to create a new document my problem immediately is that BS Charter is no longer in the drop down list of fonts. Doing the exact same thing on another 42.2 box which has not been upgraded BS Charter is still there. I can set default fonts but not if the one I want to set as default is not available.
My suspicion is that the OS upgrade has broken something, at least it has for me, so can I roll that back ? It all looked innocent enough so I accepted what was offered, not being that much of an expert on that sort of thing. Is it just me or have others found the same thing I wonder ?
M
My guess is that on one machine the bitstream-vera-fonts package is installed, and not on the other.
To set a default font for writer, simply fire up writer, go to the Settings ( In dutch Extra - Options ) - Writer - default fonts. Set it there. Same can be done for the other LO apps.
On 07/15/2017 01:14 PM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
Op zaterdag 15 juli 2017 14:08:06 CEST schreef michael norman:
On 07/15/2017 12:41 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/15/2017 05:36 AM, michael norman wrote:
Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.
The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.
Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?
M
As normal, just create a new document that uses the fonts and margins, etc.. that you like and then save the choices as your Default Document Template.> From then on, you open LO, you get those fonts and settings. Just google LO
set default font and you will find a howto.
OK, I opened LO writer to create a new document my problem immediately is that BS Charter is no longer in the drop down list of fonts. Doing the exact same thing on another 42.2 box which has not been upgraded BS Charter is still there. I can set default fonts but not if the one I want to set as default is not available.
My suspicion is that the OS upgrade has broken something, at least it has for me, so can I roll that back ? It all looked innocent enough so I accepted what was offered, not being that much of an expert on that sort of thing. Is it just me or have others found the same thing I wonder ?
M
My guess is that on one machine the bitstream-vera-fonts package is installed, and not on the other.
To set a default font for writer, simply fire up writer, go to the Settings ( In dutch Extra - Options ) - Writer - default fonts. Set it there. Same can be done for the other LO apps.
Bitstream vera-vera-fonts is not installed on either machine and doing so makes no difference. Nether can I find the settings you refer to.
M
On 2017-07-15 15:02, michael norman wrote:
On 07/15/2017 01:14 PM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
My guess is that on one machine the bitstream-vera-fonts package is installed, and not on the other.
To set a default font for writer, simply fire up writer, go to the Settings ( In dutch Extra - Options ) - Writer - default fonts. Set it there. Same can be done for the other LO apps.
Bitstream vera-vera-fonts is not installed on either machine and doing so makes no difference. Nether can I find the settings you refer to.
Not vera-vera-fonts. Just bitstream-vera-fonts...rpm. Contains:
usr/share/fonts/truetype/Vera.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraBI.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraBd.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraIt.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMoBI.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMoBd.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMoIt.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMono.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraSe.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraSeBd.ttf
But I think Bitstream Charter is in /usr/share/fonts/texlive-charter. I also see it in "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi" (char*.pcf.gz).
On 07/15/2017 02:16 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-15 15:02, michael norman wrote:
On 07/15/2017 01:14 PM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
My guess is that on one machine the bitstream-vera-fonts package is installed, and not on the other.
To set a default font for writer, simply fire up writer, go to the Settings ( In dutch Extra - Options ) - Writer - default fonts. Set it there. Same can be done for the other LO apps.
Bitstream vera-vera-fonts is not installed on either machine and doing so makes no difference. Nether can I find the settings you refer to.
Not vera-vera-fonts. Just bitstream-vera-fonts...rpm. Contains:
usr/share/fonts/truetype/Vera.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraBI.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraBd.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraIt.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMoBI.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMoBd.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMoIt.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMono.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraSe.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraSeBd.ttf
But I think Bitstream Charter is in /usr/share/fonts/texlive-charter. I also see it in "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi" (char*.pcf.gz).
All of which may well be true, the only thing I've changed on my standard 42.2 install is the update yesterday which has broken the whole thing for me.
I repeat is just me ?
M
Bitstream Charter comes from package xorg-x11-fonts, which has not been updated since 42.2 release. Neither has package bitstream-vera-fonts been updated since 42.2 release. Bitstream Charter fonts are bitmap files, while Vera's are scalable (.ttf).
# fc-match 'bitstream charter' c0648bt_.pfb: "Bitstream Charter" "Regular"
Maybe the problem you see is connected to a Java update? LO is intertwined with Java. Take a look at the tail of /etc/sysconfig/fonts-config for a possible clue. Also, is the timestamp on that file freshly changed? Here it's not, but this is a 42.2 installation with neither Java nor LO installed.
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:12:06 -0400 Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
Bitstream Charter comes from package xorg-x11-fonts, which has not been updated since 42.2 release. Neither has package bitstream-vera-fonts been updated since 42.2 release. Bitstream Charter fonts are bitmap files, while Vera's are scalable (.ttf).
# fc-match 'bitstream charter' c0648bt_.pfb: "Bitstream Charter" "Regular"
Maybe the problem you see is connected to a Java update? LO is intertwined with Java. Take a look at the tail of /etc/sysconfig/fonts-config for a possible clue. Also, is the timestamp on that file freshly changed? Here it's not, but this is a 42.2 installation with neither Java nor LO installed.
FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did.
I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(
I have no idea why and have had no time to investigate, but the problem is real and does not affect just the OP. I do observe that the update is listed as a 'security' update but is in fact a major version update, which seems at best a misleading description. It also pulled in a bunch of extra packages for more functionality that I have no interest in. So I am one very disappointed punter at present.
AFAICT, if Michael really cares about this font, one cure might be to go into YaST and downgrade to the previous version. I haven't tried that myself so I can't be sure it will solve his problem.
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:
FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did.
Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays.
I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(
I have no idea why and have had no time to investigate, but the problem is real and does not affect just the OP. I do observe that the update is listed as a 'security' update but is in fact a major version update, which seems at best a misleading description. It also pulled in a bunch of extra packages for more functionality that I have no interest in. So I am one very disappointed punter at present.
AFAICT, if Michael really cares about this font, one cure might be to go into YaST and downgrade to the previous version. I haven't tried that myself so I can't be sure it will solve his problem.
The previous version I referred to above, is the previous version of LibreOffice (5.2.5.1 as opposed to 5.3.3.2)
On 16/07/17 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:
FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did.
Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays.
I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(
I have no idea why and have had no time to investigate, but the problem is real and does not affect just the OP. I do observe that the update is listed as a 'security' update but is in fact a major version update, which seems at best a misleading description. It also pulled in a bunch of extra packages for more functionality that I have no interest in. So I am one very disappointed punter at present.
AFAICT, if Michael really cares about this font, one cure might be to go into YaST and downgrade to the previous version. I haven't tried that myself so I can't be sure it will solve his problem.
The previous version I referred to above, is the previous version of LibreOffice (5.2.5.1 as opposed to 5.3.3.2)
If you go to System Settings>Fonts you will find that Bitstream Charter is there -- but it is not in LO. Weird, yes?
BC
On 16/07/17 11:08, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:
FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did.
Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays.
I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(
I have no idea why and have had no time to investigate, but the problem is real and does not affect just the OP. I do observe that the update is listed as a 'security' update but is in fact a major version update, which seems at best a misleading description. It also pulled in a bunch of extra packages for more functionality that I have no interest in. So I am one very disappointed punter at present.
AFAICT, if Michael really cares about this font, one cure might be to go into YaST and downgrade to the previous version. I haven't tried that myself so I can't be sure it will solve his problem.
The previous version I referred to above, is the previous version of LibreOffice (5.2.5.1 as opposed to 5.3.3.2)
If you go to System Settings>Fonts you will find that Bitstream Charter is there -- but it is not in LO. Weird, yes?
BC
I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.
I did have a quick look in Yast to try and revert to the previous version of LO but that didn't provide the previous version, next time I reboot into 42.2 I'll have another look at that.
M
On 07/16/2017 12:08 PM, michael norman wrote:
On 16/07/17 11:08, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:
FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did.
Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays.
I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(
I have no idea why and have had no time to investigate, but the problem is real and does not affect just the OP. I do observe that the update is listed as a 'security' update but is in fact a major version update, which seems at best a misleading description. It also pulled in a bunch of extra packages for more functionality that I have no interest in. So I am one very disappointed punter at present.
AFAICT, if Michael really cares about this font, one cure might be to go into YaST and downgrade to the previous version. I haven't tried that myself so I can't be sure it will solve his problem.
The previous version I referred to above, is the previous version of LibreOffice (5.2.5.1 as opposed to 5.3.3.2)
If you go to System Settings>Fonts you will find that Bitstream Charter is there -- but it is not in LO. Weird, yes?
BC
I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.
I did have a quick look in Yast to try and revert to the previous version of LO but that didn't provide the previous version, next time I reboot into 42.2 I'll have another look at that.
M
Whether this should now be called "solved" I don't know, but what I did was delete LO 5.3.3.2 and install LO 5,2.5.1 via yast. I locked it too. So now LO works as I want. I'm not that attached to BS Charter as opposed to other fonts I just happen to like it as a default, like when I had to us MS Office for work the default was ariel, so I used that.
Others who have commented, for which thanks know more about all this than I do, particularly why the latest LO as provided by openSUSE has done what it did.
M
On 2017-07-15 21:12, Felix Miata wrote:
Bitstream Charter comes from package xorg-x11-fonts, which has not been updated since 42.2 release. Neither has package bitstream- vera-fonts been updated since 42.2 release. Bitstream Charter fonts are bitmap files, while Vera's are scalable (.ttf).
On 2017-07-16 13:08, michael norman wrote:
On 16/07/17 11:08, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:
FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did.
Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays.
I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(
...
I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.
Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?
The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.
On 16/07/17 13:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-15 21:12, Felix Miata wrote:
Bitstream Charter comes from package xorg-x11-fonts, which has not been updated since 42.2 release. Neither has package bitstream- vera-fonts been updated since 42.2 release. Bitstream Charter fonts are bitmap files, while Vera's are scalable (.ttf).
On 2017-07-16 13:08, michael norman wrote:
On 16/07/17 11:08, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:
FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did.
Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays.
I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(
...
I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.
Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?
The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.
I have both available to the system but the latest LO sees neither. Others have suggested a switch in LO, as I said for know I reverted to an older version of LO.
M
michael norman composed on 2017-07-16 14:01 (UTC+0100):
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?
The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.
The 5.3 version's Harfbuzz font shaping engine dropped support for Type1 fonts, thus apparently 5.3 no longer supports fonts from the two xorg-x11-font* packages, unless it is switched to the "old" engine in TextLayoutEngine settings.
I have both available to the system but the latest LO sees neither.
Why would anyone care about Vera any more? DejaVu has for a long time been a well supported superset of Vera installed by default in openSUSE.
On 2017-07-16 15:40, Felix Miata wrote:
michael norman composed on 2017-07-16 14:01 (UTC+0100):
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?
The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.
The 5.3 version's Harfbuzz font shaping engine dropped support for Type1 fonts, thus apparently 5.3 no longer supports fonts from the two xorg-x11-font* packages, unless it is switched to the "old" engine in TextLayoutEngine settings.
I have both available to the system but the latest LO sees neither.
Why would anyone care about Vera any more? DejaVu has for a long time been a well supported superset of Vera installed by default in openSUSE.
I mentioned Bitstream Vera because judging by the name it may be similar. I have no idea of what fonts replace which.
I have an awful number of fonts installed, and I can't reduce the number. They come with texlive, apparently.
I wish LO had a way of removing fonts from the list.
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:55:57 +0200 "Carlos E. R." robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
I mentioned Bitstream Vera because judging by the name it may be similar. I have no idea of what fonts replace which.
Bitstream is the name of the foundry, the place where the fonts are designed (and used to be made in hot metal days). It's a bit like thinking a Ford F-150 must look like a Ford Ka because they are both called 'Ford'.
On 16/07/17 17:39, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:55:57 +0200 "Carlos E. R." robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
I mentioned Bitstream Vera because judging by the name it may be similar. I have no idea of what fonts replace which.
Bitstream is the name of the foundry, the place where the fonts are designed (and used to be made in hot metal days). It's a bit like thinking a Ford F-150 must look like a Ford Ka because they are both called 'Ford'.
And you can have any colour as long as its black.
On 2017-07-16 18:39, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:55:57 +0200 "Carlos E. R." robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
I mentioned Bitstream Vera because judging by the name it may be similar. I have no idea of what fonts replace which.
Bitstream is the name of the foundry, the place where the fonts are designed (and used to be made in hot metal days). It's a bit like thinking a Ford F-150 must look like a Ford Ka because they are both called 'Ford'.
Ahhh...
Ok :-)
On 16/07/17 22:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-15 21:12, Felix Miata wrote:
Bitstream Charter comes from package xorg-x11-fonts, which has not been updated since 42.2 release. Neither has package bitstream- vera-fonts been updated since 42.2 release. Bitstream Charter fonts are bitmap files, while Vera's are scalable (.ttf).
On 2017-07-16 13:08, michael norman wrote:
On 16/07/17 11:08, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:
FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did.
Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays.
I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(
...
I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.
Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?
The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.
There is. My preferred font is Bookman Old Style and this appears and disappears when the switch , Non-proportional fonts only, is on or off.
But this does not show Bitstream Charter, only shows Bitstream Vera fonts.
BC
On 2017-07-17 03:05, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 22:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.
Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?
The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.
There is. My preferred font is Bookman Old Style and this appears and disappears when the switch , Non-proportional fonts only, is on or off.
But this does not show Bitstream Charter, only shows Bitstream Vera fonts.
It appears that I did not realize that "Bitstream" is the brand, and "Charter" is the model name. So the two above do not compare.
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
On 17/07/17 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-17 03:05, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 22:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.
Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?
The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.
There is. My preferred font is Bookman Old Style and this appears and disappears when the switch , Non-proportional fonts only, is on or off.
But this does not show Bitstream Charter, only shows Bitstream Vera fonts.
It appears that I did not realize that "Bitstream" is the brand, and "Charter" is the model name. So the two above do not compare.
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
Anybody still got a typewriter ? Didn't have these problems back then.
M
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:24 PM, michael norman michaeltnorman@gmail.com wrote:
Anybody still got a typewriter ? Didn't have these problems back then.
Sort of. I recall in Grad school we used a Terak (UCSDp) that printed to an IBM typewriter that had a metal ball that contained the characters. One could select a fonts in the document. The ball had to be changed for the needed font. The installed ball was detected. You had to have the right one. Or you needed to remove that font from the document.
Needless to say, few people messed around with fonts. Life was considered too precious to waste on such activities...
On 2017-07-17 12:24, michael norman wrote:
On 17/07/17 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-17 03:05, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 22:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.
Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?
The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.
There is. My preferred font is Bookman Old Style and this appears and disappears when the switch , Non-proportional fonts only, is on or off.
But this does not show Bitstream Charter, only shows Bitstream Vera fonts.
It appears that I did not realize that "Bitstream" is the brand, and "Charter" is the model name. So the two above do not compare.
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
Anybody still got a typewriter ? Didn't have these problems back then.
Yes, I do have one, but the ribbon may be dry. And another very old unit.
I also have two nine pin printers. Fonts not recommended for reasonable speed.
On 17/07/17 20:24, michael norman wrote:
On 17/07/17 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-17 03:05, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 22:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.
Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?
The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.
There is. My preferred font is Bookman Old Style and this appears and disappears when the switch , Non-proportional fonts only, is on or off.
But this does not show Bitstream Charter, only shows Bitstream Vera fonts.
It appears that I did not realize that "Bitstream" is the brand, and "Charter" is the model name. So the two above do not compare.
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
Anybody still got a typewriter ? Didn't have these problems back then.
M
Are you still having trouble with the Charter font? Patrick provided the answer and I supplemented his answer. What Patrick wrote is probably below in this thread to your current post.
The Charter font IS available in LO if you follow Patrick instructions.
BC
On 07/19/2017 06:44 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 17/07/17 20:24, michael norman wrote:
On 17/07/17 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-17 03:05, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 22:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.
Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?
The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.
There is. My preferred font is Bookman Old Style and this appears and disappears when the switch , Non-proportional fonts only, is on or off.
But this does not show Bitstream Charter, only shows Bitstream Vera fonts.
It appears that I did not realize that "Bitstream" is the brand, and "Charter" is the model name. So the two above do not compare.
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
Anybody still got a typewriter ? Didn't have these problems back then.
M
Are you still having trouble with the Charter font? Patrick provided the answer and I supplemented his answer. What Patrick wrote is probably below in this thread to your current post.
The Charter font IS available in LO if you follow Patrick instructions.
BC
I locked LO as it was, I'll have to have a look back for the earlier answer as I don't have it readily available now.
Thanks for asking
M
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:06:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
xlsfonts
You may have to install it.
On 2017-07-19 12:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:06:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
xlsfonts
You may have to install it.
Ah! Thanks. Yes.
-bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 ... -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
I then tried xlsfonts -l and the machine locked! Not even mouse movement! I was trying an ssh session from another machine, when it recovered.
DIR MIN MAX EXIST DFLT PROP ASC DESC NAME
--> * 0 *255 some 0 29 16 4 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1
--> 32 255 some 0 24 10 2 -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
Scary command.
On 19/07/17 13:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-19 12:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:06:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
xlsfonts
You may have to install it.
Ah! Thanks. Yes.
-bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 ... -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
I then tried xlsfonts -l and the machine locked! Not even mouse movement! I was trying an ssh session from another machine, when it recovered.
DIR MIN MAX EXIST DFLT PROP ASC DESC NAME
--> * 0 *255 some 0 29 16 4 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1
--> 32 255 some 0 24 10 2 -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
Scary command.
Basil in an earlier post today reminded me that Patrick had suggested a fix but as I said in reply I have not followed that up. I just locked 42.2 to the older LO version that foes what I want, which is pretty trivial in the wider scheme of things as in using BS Charter in my small number of LO documents.
M
michael norman composed on 2017-07-19 13:38 (UTC+0100):
Basil in an earlier post today reminded me that Patrick had suggested a fix but as I said in reply I have not followed that up. I just locked 42.2 to the older LO version that foes what I want, which is pretty trivial in the wider scheme of things as in using BS Charter in my small number of LO documents.
Long term you will need a better solution than locking down v5.2.x. 42.3, due for release next week, has only 5.3.x (and likely will goto 5.4.x or beyond during its lifetime). Support for 42.2 will end 6 months later.
Surely as old as Charter is there must by now be an available metric equivalent to it in ttf and/or otf format. At smaller sizes, Thorndale AMT from the old SuSE agfa-fonts rpm looks very close to it to me. At larger sizes, Charter is simply larger at any given nominal size. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-amtlibnim.html
On 19/07/17 19:09, Felix Miata wrote:
michael norman composed on 2017-07-19 13:38 (UTC+0100):
Basil in an earlier post today reminded me that Patrick had suggested a fix but as I said in reply I have not followed that up. I just locked 42.2 to the older LO version that foes what I want, which is pretty trivial in the wider scheme of things as in using BS Charter in my small number of LO documents.
Long term you will need a better solution than locking down v5.2.x. 42.3, due for release next week, has only 5.3.x (and likely will goto 5.4.x or beyond during its lifetime). Support for 42.2 will end 6 months later.
Surely as old as Charter is there must by now be an available metric equivalent to it in ttf and/or otf format. At smaller sizes, Thorndale AMT from the old SuSE agfa-fonts rpm looks very close to it to me. At larger sizes, Charter is simply larger at any given nominal size. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-amtlibnim.html
I have no doubt of any of that. Its only a font. I'll look into it further in a while.
M
On 20/07/17 04:09, Felix Miata wrote:
michael norman composed on 2017-07-19 13:38 (UTC+0100):
Basil in an earlier post today reminded me that Patrick had suggested a fix but as I said in reply I have not followed that up. I just locked 42.2 to the older LO version that foes what I want, which is pretty trivial in the wider scheme of things as in using BS Charter in my small number of LO documents.
Long term you will need a better solution than locking down v5.2.x. 42.3, due for release next week, has only 5.3.x (and likely will goto 5.4.x or beyond during its lifetime). Support for 42.2 will end 6 months later.
Surely as old as Charter is there must by now be an available metric equivalent to it in ttf and/or otf format. At smaller sizes, Thorndale AMT from the old SuSE agfa-fonts rpm looks very close to it to me. At larger sizes, Charter is simply larger at any given nominal size. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-amtlibnim.html
The solution to Michael's problem is quite simple.
Patrick provided the solution some days back and I also added a comment to it -- and I now have Bitstream Charter in my latest LO (v5.3.3.2) installed on Leap 42.3 which is due out in 5 days.
BC
Basil Chupin composed on 2017-07-20 12:29 (UTC+1000):
The solution to Michael's problem is quite simple.
Patrick provided the solution some days back and I also added a comment to it -- and I now have Bitstream Charter in my latest LO (v5.3.3.2) installed on Leap 42.3 which is due out in 5 days.
I thought I made it clear enough that that solution is no better than temporary, only until upgrade to v5.4.x: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4#Removed_configuration_o...
I did intend to anyway. :-p
On 20/07/17 12:39, Felix Miata wrote:
Basil Chupin composed on 2017-07-20 12:29 (UTC+1000):
The solution to Michael's problem is quite simple. Patrick provided the solution some days back and I also added a comment to it -- and I now have Bitstream Charter in my latest LO (v5.3.3.2) installed on Leap 42.3 which is due out in 5 days.
I thought I made it clear enough that that solution is no better than temporary, only until upgrade to v5.4.x: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4#Removed_configuration_o...
I did intend to anyway. :-p
:-)
Even for <5.4 version of LO it is not a "temporary" fix or solution because all that is required to be done is to use the existing config option in LO and in less than 30 seconds Bitstream Charter becomes available to be selected :-) .
However, I can see the problem caused when something which was automatically availalbe when LO was started suddenly is no longer there. Must be a very scary experience, I dare say. But, as you say, it will be "fixed" when the next version of LO comes out :-).
BC
Basil Chupin composed on 2017-07-20 01:53 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
Basil Chupin composed on 2017-07-20 12:29 (UTC+1000):
The solution to Michael's problem is quite simple. Patrick provided the solution some days back and I also added a comment to it -- and I now have Bitstream Charter in my latest LO (v5.3.3.2) installed on Leap 42.3 which is due out in 5 days.
I thought I made it clear enough that that solution is no better than temporary, only until upgrade to v5.4.x: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4#Removed_configuration_o... I did intend to anyway. :-p
:-)
Even for <5.4 version of LO it is not a "temporary" fix or solution because all that is required to be done is to use the existing config option in LO and in less than 30 seconds Bitstream Charter becomes available to be selected :-) .
However, I can see the problem caused when something which was automatically availalbe when LO was started suddenly is no longer there. Must be a very scary experience, I dare say. But, as you say, it will be "fixed" when the next version of LO comes out :-).
What I wrote is that as of 5.4.x, based on that URL, Patrick's workaround will cease to be a workaround, and the closest thing to a workaround remaining will be to convert type1 Charter to a supported format.
* Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net [07-19-17 08:25]:
On 2017-07-19 12:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:06:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
xlsfonts
You may have to install it.
Ah! Thanks. Yes.
-bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 ... -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
I then tried xlsfonts -l and the machine locked! Not even mouse movement! I was trying an ssh session from another machine, when it recovered.
DIR MIN MAX EXIST DFLT PROP ASC DESC NAME
--> * 0 *255 some 0 29 16 4 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1
--> 32 255 some 0 24 10 2 -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
probably was not locked, > xlsfonts -l |wc -l 9387
just occupied :^/
On 2017-07-19 14:50, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net [07-19-17 08:25]:
On 2017-07-19 12:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:06:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
xlsfonts
You may have to install it.
Ah! Thanks. Yes.
-bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 ... -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
I then tried xlsfonts -l and the machine locked! Not even mouse movement! I was trying an ssh session from another machine, when it recovered.
DIR MIN MAX EXIST DFLT PROP ASC DESC NAME
--> * 0 *255 some 0 29 16 4 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1
--> 32 255 some 0 24 10 2 -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
probably was not locked, > xlsfonts -l |wc -l 9387
just occupied :^/
Even the mouse? For a minute or two?
On 20/07/17 01:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-19 14:50, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net [07-19-17 08:25]:
On 2017-07-19 12:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:06:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
xlsfonts
You may have to install it.
Ah! Thanks. Yes.
-bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 ... -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
I then tried xlsfonts -l and the machine locked! Not even mouse movement! I was trying an ssh session from another machine, when it recovered.
DIR MIN MAX EXIST DFLT PROP ASC DESC NAME
--> * 0 *255 some 0 29 16 4 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1
--> 32 255 some 0 24 10 2 -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
probably was not locked, > xlsfonts -l |wc -l 9387
just occupied :^/
Even the mouse? For a minute or two?
Yeah...it's obviously a Spanish mouse, right?
:-)
BC
On 2017-07-20 04:24, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 20/07/17 01:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-19 14:50, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Carlos E. R. <> [07-19-17 08:25]:
On 2017-07-19 12:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:06:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:
Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #
But also
Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #
So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.
xlsfonts
You may have to install it.
Ah! Thanks. Yes.
-bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 ... -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
I then tried xlsfonts -l and the machine locked! Not even mouse movement! I was trying an ssh session from another machine, when it recovered.
DIR MIN MAX EXIST DFLT PROP ASC DESC NAME
--> * 0 *255 some 0 29 16 4 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1
--> 32 255 some 0 24 10 2 -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1
probably was not locked, > xlsfonts -l |wc -l 9387
just occupied :^/
Even the mouse? For a minute or two?
Yeah...it's obviously a Spanish mouse, right?
:-)
Nay. Swiss. :-P
On 07/15/2017 08:35 AM, michael norman wrote:
All of which may well be true, the only thing I've changed on my standard 42.2 install is the update yesterday which has broken the whole thing for me.
I repeat is just me ?
M
No, it's not just you. Looks like LO redid its font selection handling. My font list looks horrible. It shows all the foreign (to me) fonts with character examples to the right-side of the list. It is a cluster. I'm not surprised. It looks like they updated the listing to show the fonts in their rendered style and it looks horrible and probably takes an addition 10M of RAM - damn frustrating.
Here is a screenshot:
http://paste.opensuse.org/27292957
On 16/07/17 16:34, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 07/15/2017 08:35 AM, michael norman wrote:
All of which may well be true, the only thing I've changed on my standard 42.2 install is the update yesterday which has broken the whole thing for me.
I repeat is just me ?
M
No, it's not just you. Looks like LO redid its font selection handling. My font list looks horrible. It shows all the foreign (to me) fonts with character examples to the right-side of the list. It is a cluster. I'm not surprised. It looks like they updated the listing to show the fonts in their rendered style and it looks horrible and probably takes an addition 10M of RAM
- damn frustrating.
Here is a screenshot:
You've been hacked by ISIS, that's why :-).
BC
On 16/07/17 13:10, Basil Chupin wrote:
You've been hacked by ISIS, that's why :-)
- perhaps at xdm log-in screen , top-right : Afar ethiopian language was selected
cheers
michael norman composed on 2017-07-15 11:36 (UTC+0100):
Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.
The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.
Which other fonts have disappeared? Are most or all from xorg-x11-font*?
Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?
Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-drops-Type-1-font-support I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.
Maybe something in http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html will point you to an alternative to Charter?
On 07/16/2017 01:33 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
michael norman composed on 2017-07-15 11:36 (UTC+0100):
Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.
The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.
Which other fonts have disappeared? Are most or all from xorg-x11-font*?
Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?
Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-drops-Type-1-font-support I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.
Maybe something in http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html will point you to an alternative to Charter?
Thanks, not time now, I'll look into the points you ask later.
M
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
michael norman composed on 2017-07-15 11:36 (UTC+0100):
Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.
The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.
Which other fonts have disappeared? Are most or all from xorg-x11-font*?
Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?
Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-drops-Type-1-font-support I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.
Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.
It says:
Böðvar Björgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result – change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!"
Thanks, Felix!
Maybe something in http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html will point you to an alternative to Charter?
On Jul 16, 2017, at 08:07:29, Dave Howorth dave@howorth.org.uk wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
michael norman composed on 2017-07-15 11:36 (UTC+0100):
Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.
The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.
Which other fonts have disappeared? Are most or all from xorg-x11-font*?
Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?
Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-drops-Type-1-font-support I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.
Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.
It says:
Böðvar Björgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result – change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!"
That's a bit disturbing that they dropped support for Type 1 unless you use the old engine. Reason being is that OpenType fonts have support for TrueType curves (Quadratic Bezier curves) and Type 2 curves (cubic Bezier curves), which is very similar to Type 1 curves. I wonder if they are no long using FreeType, which I know has support for all three curves. Then again, I don't think there is a JNI binding for FreeType, so using that font rendering engine with LibraOffice might not be feasible. I'd have to check in on it.
* Dave Howorth dave@howorth.org.uk [07-16-17 08:08]:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
[...]
Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-drops-Type-1-font-support I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.
Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.
It says:
Böðvar Björgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result – change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!"
my Tw version, libreoffice-5.4.0.1, doesn't have "TextLayoutEngine" in the options. it does have Text, Layout and Engine, but nothing that I see providing a path to "old".
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 08:26:43 -0400 Patrick Shanahan paka@opensuse.org wrote:
- Dave Howorth dave@howorth.org.uk [07-16-17 08:08]:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
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Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-drops-Type-1-font-support I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.
Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.
It says:
Böðvar Björgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result – change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!"
my Tw version, libreoffice-5.4.0.1, doesn't have "TextLayoutEngine" in the options.
Indeed, as documented in the release notes: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4#Removed_configuration_o...
I suggest writing to LO and ask the same question as Böðvar Björgvinsson
it does have Text, Layout and Engine, but nothing that I see providing a path to "old".
On 16/07/17 22:26, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Dave Howorth dave@howorth.org.uk [07-16-17 08:08]:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
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Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-drops-Type-1-font-support I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.
Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.
It says:
B��var Bj�rgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result � change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!"
my Tw version, libreoffice-5.4.0.1, doesn't have "TextLayoutEngine" in the options. it does have Text, Layout and Engine, but nothing that I see providing a path to "old".
Ah! The magic word "old" made it all clear! :-).
When you find TestLayoutEngine and click on it you then get a menu on the side with the word "new". Change this to "old", and restart LO. Bitstream Charter is then available.
BC
On 17/07/17 11:28, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/07/17 22:26, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Dave Howorth dave@howorth.org.uk [07-16-17 08:08]:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
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Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-drops-Type-1-font-support I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.
Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.
It says:
B��var Bj�rgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result � change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!"
my Tw version, libreoffice-5.4.0.1, doesn't have "TextLayoutEngine" in the options. it does have Text, Layout and Engine, but nothing that I see providing a path to "old".
Ah! The magic word "old" made it all clear! :-).
When you find TestLayoutEngine and click on it you then get a menu on the side with the word "new". Change this to "old", and restart LO. Bitstream Charter is then available.
Forgot to mention that if one is using Breeze Dark in System Settings/Work Space Theme/Look and Feel you won't see TextLayoutEngine when looking for it in in LO -- the cell containing the wording is white (on white). Change form Breeze Dark to, say, Opensuse and the cell in LO magically appears :-)
One more thing: use the switch in LO for non-proportional fonts (in Fonts option) as this affects whether or not you see Bitstream Charter.
BC
* Basil Chupin blchupin@iinet.net.au [07-16-17 21:34]:
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Ah! The magic word "old" made it all clear! :-).
When you find TestLayoutEngine and click on it you then get a menu on the side with the word "new". Change this to "old", and restart LO. Bitstream Charter is then available.
not when searching for "TestLayoutEngine" has no result....
On 16/07/17 22:07, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
michael norman composed on 2017-07-15 11:36 (UTC+0100):
Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted. The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.
Which other fonts have disappeared? Are most or all from xorg-x11-font*?
Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?
Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-drops-Type-1-font-support I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.
Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.
It says:
Böðvar Björgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result – change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!"
Thanks, Felix!
Maybe something in http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html will point you to an alternative to Charter?
Well, doing the "fix" above has not produced Bitstream Charter :-(. Still only Bitstream Vera available.
BC
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