On 07/15/2017 12:41 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 07/15/2017 05:36 AM, michael norman wrote:

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Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.

The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.

Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?

M

As normal, just create a new document that uses the fonts and margins, etc.. that you like and then save the choices as your Default Document Template. From then on, you open LO, you get those fonts and settings. Just google LO set default font and you will find a howto.

OK, I opened LO writer to create a new document my problem immediately is that BS Charter is no longer in the drop down list of fonts. Doing the exact same thing on another 42.2 box which has not been upgraded BS Charter is still there. I can set default fonts but not if the one I want to set as default is not available. My suspicion is that the OS upgrade has broken something, at least it has for me, so can I roll that back ? It all looked innocent enough so I accepted what was offered, not being that much of an expert on that sort of thing. Is it just me or have others found the same thing I wonder ? M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/15/2017 01:14 PM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:

Op zaterdag 15 juli 2017 14:08:06 CEST schreef michael norman:

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On 07/15/2017 12:41 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 07/15/2017 05:36 AM, michael norman wrote:

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Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.

The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.

Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?

M

As normal, just create a new document that uses the fonts and margins, etc.. that you like and then save the choices as your Default Document Template.> From then on, you open LO, you get those fonts and settings. Just google LO

set default font and you will find a howto.

OK, I opened LO writer to create a new document my problem immediately is that BS Charter is no longer in the drop down list of fonts. Doing the exact same thing on another 42.2 box which has not been upgraded BS Charter is still there. I can set default fonts but not if the one I want to set as default is not available.

My suspicion is that the OS upgrade has broken something, at least it has for me, so can I roll that back ? It all looked innocent enough so I accepted what was offered, not being that much of an expert on that sort of thing. Is it just me or have others found the same thing I wonder ?

M

My guess is that on one machine the bitstream-vera-fonts package is installed, and not on the other.

To set a default font for writer, simply fire up writer, go to the Settings ( In dutch Extra - Options ) - Writer - default fonts. Set it there. Same can be done for the other LO apps.

Bitstream vera-vera-fonts is not installed on either machine and doing so makes no difference. Nether can I find the settings you refer to. M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/15/2017 02:16 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-07-15 15:02, michael norman wrote:

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On 07/15/2017 01:14 PM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:

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My guess is that on one machine the bitstream-vera-fonts package is installed, and not on the other.

To set a default font for writer, simply fire up writer, go to the Settings ( In dutch Extra - Options ) - Writer - default fonts. Set it there. Same can be done for the other LO apps.

Bitstream vera-vera-fonts is not installed on either machine and doing so makes no difference. Nether can I find the settings you refer to.

Not vera-vera-fonts. Just bitstream-vera-fonts...rpm. Contains:

usr/share/fonts/truetype/Vera.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraBI.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraBd.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraIt.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMoBI.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMoBd.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMoIt.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraMono.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraSe.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/VeraSeBd.ttf

But I think Bitstream Charter is in /usr/share/fonts/texlive-charter. I also see it in "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi" (char*.pcf.gz).

All of which may well be true, the only thing I've changed on my standard 42.2 install is the update yesterday which has broken the whole thing for me. I repeat is just me ? M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:12:06 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

Bitstream Charter comes from package xorg-x11-fonts, which has not been updated since 42.2 release. Neither has package bitstream-vera-fonts been updated since 42.2 release. Bitstream Charter fonts are bitmap files, while Vera's are scalable (.ttf).

# fc-match 'bitstream charter' c0648bt_.pfb: "Bitstream Charter" "Regular"

Maybe the problem you see is connected to a Java update? LO is intertwined with Java. Take a look at the tail of /etc/sysconfig/fonts-config for a possible clue. Also, is the timestamp on that file freshly changed? Here it's not, but this is a 42.2 installation with neither Java nor LO installed.

FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did. I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :( I have no idea why and have had no time to investigate, but the problem is real and does not affect just the OP. I do observe that the update is listed as a 'security' update but is in fact a major version update, which seems at best a misleading description. It also pulled in a bunch of extra packages for more functionality that I have no interest in. So I am one very disappointed punter at present. AFAICT, if Michael really cares about this font, one cure might be to go into YaST and downgrade to the previous version. I haven't tried that myself so I can't be sure it will solve his problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/07/17 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:

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FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did. Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays.

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I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(

I have no idea why and have had no time to investigate, but the problem is real and does not affect just the OP. I do observe that the update is listed as a 'security' update but is in fact a major version update, which seems at best a misleading description. It also pulled in a bunch of extra packages for more functionality that I have no interest in. So I am one very disappointed punter at present.

AFAICT, if Michael really cares about this font, one cure might be to go into YaST and downgrade to the previous version. I haven't tried that myself so I can't be sure it will solve his problem. The previous version I referred to above, is the previous version of LibreOffice (5.2.5.1 as opposed to 5.3.3.2)

If you go to System Settings>Fonts you will find that Bitstream Charter is there -- but it is not in LO. Weird, yes? BC -- You are NOT entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. Nobody is entitled to be ignorant. Harlan Ellison -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/16/2017 12:08 PM, michael norman wrote:

On 16/07/17 11:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 16/07/17 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:

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FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did. Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays. I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(

I have no idea why and have had no time to investigate, but the problem is real and does not affect just the OP. I do observe that the update is listed as a 'security' update but is in fact a major version update, which seems at best a misleading description. It also pulled in a bunch of extra packages for more functionality that I have no interest in. So I am one very disappointed punter at present.

AFAICT, if Michael really cares about this font, one cure might be to go into YaST and downgrade to the previous version. I haven't tried that myself so I can't be sure it will solve his problem. The previous version I referred to above, is the previous version of LibreOffice (5.2.5.1 as opposed to 5.3.3.2)

If you go to System Settings>Fonts you will find that Bitstream Charter is there -- but it is not in LO. Weird, yes?

BC

I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.

I did have a quick look in Yast to try and revert to the previous version of LO but that didn't provide the previous version, next time I reboot into 42.2 I'll have another look at that.

M Whether this should now be called "solved" I don't know, but what I did was delete LO 5.3.3.2 and install LO 5,2.5.1 via yast. I locked it too. So now LO works as I want. I'm not that attached to BS Charter as opposed to other fonts I just happen to like it as a default, like when I had to us MS Office for work the default was ariel, so I used that.

Others who have commented, for which thanks know more about all this than I do, particularly why the latest LO as provided by openSUSE has done what it did. M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/07/17 13:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-07-15 21:12, Felix Miata wrote:

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Bitstream Charter comes from package xorg-x11-fonts, which has not been updated since 42.2 release. Neither has package bitstream- vera-fonts been updated since 42.2 release. Bitstream Charter fonts are bitmap files, while Vera's are scalable (.ttf).

On 2017-07-16 13:08, michael norman wrote:

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On 16/07/17 11:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 16/07/17 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:

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FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did. Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays.

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I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :(

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I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.

Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?

The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.

I have both available to the system but the latest LO sees neither. Others have suggested a switch in LO, as I said for know I reverted to an older version of LO. M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-07-16 15:40, Felix Miata wrote:

michael norman composed on 2017-07-16 14:01 (UTC+0100):

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?

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The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.

The 5.3 version's Harfbuzz font shaping engine dropped support for Type1 fonts, thus apparently 5.3 no longer supports fonts from the two xorg-x11-font* packages, unless it is switched to the "old" engine in TextLayoutEngine settings.

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I have both available to the system but the latest LO sees neither.

Why would anyone care about Vera any more? DejaVu has for a long time been a well supported superset of Vera installed by default in openSUSE.

I mentioned Bitstream Vera because judging by the name it may be similar. I have no idea of what fonts replace which. I have an awful number of fonts installed, and I can't reduce the number. They come with texlive, apparently. I wish LO had a way of removing fonts from the list. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 16/07/17 17:39, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:55:57 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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I mentioned Bitstream Vera because judging by the name it may be similar. I have no idea of what fonts replace which.

Bitstream is the name of the foundry, the place where the fonts are designed (and used to be made in hot metal days). It's a bit like thinking a Ford F-150 must look like a Ford Ka because they are both called 'Ford'.

And you can have any colour as long as its black. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/07/17 22:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-07-15 21:12, Felix Miata wrote:

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Bitstream Charter comes from package xorg-x11-fonts, which has not been updated since 42.2 release. Neither has package bitstream- vera-fonts been updated since 42.2 release. Bitstream Charter fonts are bitmap files, while Vera's are scalable (.ttf).

On 2017-07-16 13:08, michael norman wrote:

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On 16/07/17 11:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 16/07/17 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:11:33 +0100 I wrote:

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FWIW, I believe I just replicated Michael's problem. There were a bunch of updates pending and I accepted them all except the LibreOffice one. I then checked I had Bitstream Charter in my font list and I did. Just to clarify some ambiguities. By 'my' font list, I mean the list of fonts that LibreOffice displays.

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I then accepted the LibreOffice update and now I no longer have Bitstream Charter in my font list. :( ...

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I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.

Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?

The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.

There is. My preferred font is Bookman Old Style and this appears and disappears when the switch , Non-proportional fonts only, is on or off. But this does not show Bitstream Charter, only shows Bitstream Vera fonts. BC -- You are NOT entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. Nobody is entitled to be ignorant. Harlan Ellison -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 17/07/17 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-07-17 03:05, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 16/07/17 22:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.

Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?

The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.

There is. My preferred font is Bookman Old Style and this appears and disappears when the switch , Non-proportional fonts only, is on or off.

But this does not show Bitstream Charter, only shows Bitstream Vera fonts.

It appears that I did not realize that "Bitstream" is the brand, and "Charter" is the model name. So the two above do not compare.

Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:

Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #

But also

Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #

So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.

Anybody still got a typewriter ? Didn't have these problems back then. M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-07-17 12:24, michael norman wrote:

On 17/07/17 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-07-17 03:05, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 16/07/17 22:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.

Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?

The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.

There is. My preferred font is Bookman Old Style and this appears and disappears when the switch , Non-proportional fonts only, is on or off.

But this does not show Bitstream Charter, only shows Bitstream Vera fonts.

It appears that I did not realize that "Bitstream" is the brand, and "Charter" is the model name. So the two above do not compare.

Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:

Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #

But also

Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #

So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.

Anybody still got a typewriter ? Didn't have these problems back then.

Yes, I do have one, but the ribbon may be dry. And another very old unit. I also have two nine pin printers. Fonts not recommended for reasonable speed. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 07/19/2017 06:44 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 17/07/17 20:24, michael norman wrote:

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On 17/07/17 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-07-17 03:05, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 16/07/17 22:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I can't check this at the moment as I'm using Linux Mint (dual boot) but I'm sure you are right. The whole point of this is that prior to the update LO "did" use Bitstream Charter and now it doesn't.

Just to clarify, you don't have "Bitstream Charter", but do you have Bitstream Vera?

The former is bitmaps, the second is scalable. It is possible that LO does not use by default bitmapped fonts. There may be a switch for it.

There is. My preferred font is Bookman Old Style and this appears and disappears when the switch , Non-proportional fonts only, is on or off.

But this does not show Bitstream Charter, only shows Bitstream Vera fonts.

It appears that I did not realize that "Bitstream" is the brand, and "Charter" is the model name. So the two above do not compare.

Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:

Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #

But also

Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #

So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.

Anybody still got a typewriter ? Didn't have these problems back then.

M

Are you still having trouble with the Charter font? Patrick provided the answer and I supplemented his answer. What Patrick wrote is probably below in this thread to your current post.

The Charter font IS available in LO if you follow Patrick instructions.

BC

I locked LO as it was, I'll have to have a look back for the earlier answer as I don't have it readily available now. Thanks for asking M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-07-19 12:31, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:06:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:

Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #

But also

Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #

So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.

xlsfonts

You may have to install it.

Ah! Thanks. Yes. -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 ... -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1 I then tried xlsfonts -l and the machine locked! Not even mouse movement! I was trying an ssh session from another machine, when it recovered. DIR MIN MAX EXIST DFLT PROP ASC DESC NAME --> * 0 *255 some 0 29 16 4 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 --> 32 255 some 0 24 10 2 -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1 Scary command. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

michael norman composed on 2017-07-19 13:38 (UTC+0100):

Basil in an earlier post today reminded me that Patrick had suggested a fix but as I said in reply I have not followed that up. I just locked 42.2 to the older LO version that foes what I want, which is pretty trivial in the wider scheme of things as in using BS Charter in my small number of LO documents.

Long term you will need a better solution than locking down v5.2.x. 42.3, due for release next week, has only 5.3.x (and likely will goto 5.4.x or beyond during its lifetime). Support for 42.2 will end 6 months later. Surely as old as Charter is there must by now be an available metric equivalent to it in ttf and/or otf format. At smaller sizes, Thorndale AMT from the old SuSE agfa-fonts rpm looks very close to it to me. At larger sizes, Charter is simply larger at any given nominal size. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-amtlibnim.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 20/07/17 04:09, Felix Miata wrote:

michael norman composed on 2017-07-19 13:38 (UTC+0100):

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Basil in an earlier post today reminded me that Patrick had suggested a fix but as I said in reply I have not followed that up. I just locked 42.2 to the older LO version that foes what I want, which is pretty trivial in the wider scheme of things as in using BS Charter in my small number of LO documents. Long term you will need a better solution than locking down v5.2.x. 42.3, due for release next week, has only 5.3.x (and likely will goto 5.4.x or beyond during its lifetime). Support for 42.2 will end 6 months later.

Surely as old as Charter is there must by now be an available metric equivalent to it in ttf and/or otf format. At smaller sizes, Thorndale AMT from the old SuSE agfa-fonts rpm looks very close to it to me. At larger sizes, Charter is simply larger at any given nominal size. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-amtlibnim.html

The solution to Michael's problem is quite simple. Patrick provided the solution some days back and I also added a comment to it -- and I now have Bitstream Charter in my latest LO (v5.3.3.2) installed on Leap 42.3 which is due out in 5 days. BC -- You are NOT entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. Nobody is entitled to be ignorant. Harlan Ellison -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 20/07/17 12:39, Felix Miata wrote:

Basil Chupin composed on 2017-07-20 12:29 (UTC+1000):

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The solution to Michael's problem is quite simple. Patrick provided the solution some days back and I also added a comment to it -- and I now have Bitstream Charter in my latest LO (v5.3.3.2) installed on Leap 42.3 which is due out in 5 days. I thought I made it clear enough that that solution is no better than temporary, only until upgrade to v5.4.x: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4#Removed_configuration_o...

I did intend to anyway. :-p :-)

Even for <5.4 version of LO it is not a "temporary" fix or solution because all that is required to be done is to use the existing config option in LO and in less than 30 seconds Bitstream Charter becomes available to be selected :-) . However, I can see the problem caused when something which was automatically availalbe when LO was started suddenly is no longer there. Must be a very scary experience, I dare say. But, as you say, it will be "fixed" when the next version of LO comes out :-). BC -- You are NOT entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. Nobody is entitled to be ignorant. Harlan Ellison -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [07-19-17 08:25]:

On 2017-07-19 12:31, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:06:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:

Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #

But also

Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #

So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it.

xlsfonts

You may have to install it.

Ah! Thanks. Yes.

-bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 ... -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1

I then tried xlsfonts -l and the machine locked! Not even mouse movement! I was trying an ssh session from another machine, when it recovered.

DIR MIN MAX EXIST DFLT PROP ASC DESC NAME

--> * 0 *255 some 0 29 16 4 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1

--> 32 255 some 0 24 10 2 -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1

probably was not locked, > xlsfonts -l |wc -l 9387 just occupied :^/ -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 20/07/17 01:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-07-19 14:50, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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On 2017-07-19 12:31, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:06:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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Also, I do not know how to produce in the CLI a list of all fonts available. Maybe a recursive list of /usr/share/fonts/, but that's only filenames:

Telcontar:~ # ls /usr/share/fonts/* | grep Bitstream Telcontar:~ #

But also

Telcontar:~ # grep Bitstream /usr/share/fonts/*/*dir Telcontar:~ #

So no, I do not know how to get a listing and check it. xlsfonts

You may have to install it. Ah! Thanks. Yes.

-bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 ... -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1

I then tried xlsfonts -l and the machine locked! Not even mouse movement! I was trying an ssh session from another machine, when it recovered.

DIR MIN MAX EXIST DFLT PROP ASC DESC NAME

--> * 0 *255 some 0 29 16 4 -bitstream-bitstream charter-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1

--> 32 255 some 0 24 10 2 -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1

* Carlos E. R. [07-19-17 08:25]: probably was not locked, > xlsfonts -l |wc -l 9387

just occupied :^/ Even the mouse? For a minute or two?

Yeah...it's obviously a Spanish mouse, right? :-) BC -- You are NOT entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. Nobody is entitled to be ignorant. Harlan Ellison -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/15/2017 08:35 AM, michael norman wrote:

All of which may well be true, the only thing I've changed on my standard 42.2 install is the update yesterday which has broken the whole thing for me.

I repeat is just me ?

M

No, it's not just you. Looks like LO redid its font selection handling. My font list looks horrible. It shows all the foreign (to me) fonts with character examples to the right-side of the list. It is a cluster. I'm not surprised. It looks like they updated the listing to show the fonts in their rendered style and it looks horrible and probably takes an addition 10M of RAM - damn frustrating. Here is a screenshot: http://paste.opensuse.org/27292957 -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/07/17 13:10, Basil Chupin wrote:

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http://paste.opensuse.org/27292957 You've been hacked by ISIS, that's why :-)

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On 07/16/2017 01:33 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

michael norman composed on 2017-07-15 11:36 (UTC+0100):

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Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.

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The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.

Which other fonts have disappeared? Are most or all from xorg-x11-font*?

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Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?

Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog... I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.

Maybe something in http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html will point you to an alternative to Charter?

Thanks, not time now, I'll look into the points you ask later. M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Jul 16, 2017, at 08:07:29, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

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michael norman composed on 2017-07-15 11:36 (UTC+0100):

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Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted.

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The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets.

Which other fonts have disappeared? Are most or all from xorg-x11-font*?

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Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ?

Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog... I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.

Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.

It says:

Böðvar Björgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result – change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!"

That's a bit disturbing that they dropped support for Type 1 unless you use the old engine. Reason being is that OpenType fonts have support for TrueType curves (Quadratic Bezier curves) and Type 2 curves (cubic Bezier curves), which is very similar to Type 1 curves. I wonder if they are no long using FreeType, which I know has support for all three curves. Then again, I don't think there is a JNI binding for FreeType, so using that font rendering engine with LibraOffice might not be feasible. I'd have to check in on it.

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 08:26:43 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Dave Howorth [07-16-17 08:08]:

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On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: [...]

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Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog... I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO.

Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.

It says:

Böðvar Björgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result – change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!"

my Tw version, libreoffice-5.4.0.1, doesn't have "TextLayoutEngine" in the options.

Indeed, as documented in the release notes: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4#Removed_configuration_o... I suggest writing to LO and ask the same question as Böðvar Björgvinsson

it does have Text, Layout and Engine, but nothing that I see providing a path to "old".

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On 17/07/17 11:28, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 16/07/17 22:26, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: [...]

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Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog... I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO. Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.

It says:

B��var Bj�rgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result � change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!" my Tw version, libreoffice-5.4.0.1, doesn't have "TextLayoutEngine" in the

* Dave Howorth [07-16-17 08:08]: options. it does have Text, Layout and Engine, but nothing that I see providing a path to "old". Ah! The magic word "old" made it all clear! :-).

When you find TestLayoutEngine and click on it you then get a menu on the side with the word "new". Change this to "old", and restart LO. Bitstream Charter is then available.

Forgot to mention that if one is using Breeze Dark in System Settings/Work Space Theme/Look and Feel you won't see TextLayoutEngine when looking for it in in LO -- the cell containing the wording is white (on white). Change form Breeze Dark to, say, Opensuse and the cell in LO magically appears :-) One more thing: use the switch in LO for non-proportional fonts (in Fonts option) as this affects whether or not you see Bitstream Charter. BC -- You are NOT entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. Nobody is entitled to be ignorant. Harlan Ellison -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/07/17 22:07, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:33:38 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

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michael norman composed on 2017-07-15 11:36 (UTC+0100):

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Running 42.2 I did a zypper up yesterday which included a lot of changes to Libreoffice, which I accepted. The upshot here is that LO no longer uses Bitstream Charter, which is my font of choice for LO docs and spreadsheets. Which other fonts have disappeared? Are most or all from xorg-x11-font*?

...

Is there a way I can fix this, still using the OS LO installation ? Based upon my reading of "LibreOffice drops Type 1 font support" (in 5.3) http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog... I think if you need to keep using fonts from the xorg-x11-fonts package they will have to be converted to a supported format, or you will need to switch to OO. Actually, in that article you link to, if you read the first comment and follow the instructions apparently from LO, you can switch the text layout engine in use and Bitstream Charter 'magically' comes back. Whether that will cause problems somewhere down the line, I don't know.

It says:

Böðvar Björgvinsson: "I contacted LO at their Facebook page and received a reply that you can indeed go to the old settings which support Type-1. This is the reply: "Hi, you can switch to the old engine in the menu: Tools > Options > Advanced. Then click Open Expert Configuration, search for TextLayoutEngine, and double-click the result – change it to "old", save and restart LibreOffice. That may help!"

Thanks, Felix!

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Maybe something in http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-droidserif.html will point you to an alternative to Charter?

Well, doing the "fix" above has not produced Bitstream Charter :-(. Still only Bitstream Vera available. BC -- You are NOT entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. Nobody is entitled to be ignorant. Harlan Ellison -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org