[opensuse] How to configure konqueror to show KB and MB instead of KiB and MiB??
Listmates, KDE4 konqueror is displaying size in KiB and MiB instead of the traditional KB and MB. Where can I change this so I can view the size in KB & MB? The 'i' means nothing to my use of konqueror, but it is distracting to the eye to now have a whole new useless column of 'i's streaming down the page. The view is a whole lot cleaner without them. I'm sure somebody cares whether the file is 41.6 KiB instead of 41.6 KB, but I would be startled if the percentage of people that do exceeds 1%. Where is the setting controlled? I have looked through Control Center Country/Region & Language and cannot find where to change this. Thanks. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:51 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Listmates,
KDE4 konqueror is displaying size in KiB and MiB instead of the traditional KB and MB. Where can I change this so I can view the size in KB & MB? The 'i' means nothing to my use of konqueror, but it is distracting to the eye to now have a whole new useless column of 'i's streaming down the page. The view is a whole lot cleaner without them. I'm sure somebody cares whether the file is 41.6 KiB instead of 41.6 KB, but I would be startled if the percentage of people that do exceeds 1%.
Not only that, Ki is non standard. I have never seen KiG for kilograms, or KiM for kilometers. Are milligrams now MiG and hectograms now HeG? I think someone was bored one day. Or this is some emerging EU standard? To answer your question, I do not know where to change it. Perhaps in the locale settings where you set preferences for how money, date and such thing are specified? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 30. Juni 2009 09:34:37 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
KDE4 konqueror is displaying size in KiB and MiB instead of the traditional KB and MB. Where can I change this so I can view the size in KB & MB? The 'i' means nothing to my use of konqueror, but it is distracting to the eye to now have a whole new useless column of 'i's streaming down the page. The view is a whole lot cleaner without them. I'm sure somebody cares whether the file is 41.6 KiB instead of 41.6 KB, but I would be startled if the percentage of people that do exceeds 1%.
Not only that, Ki is non standard. I have never seen KiG for kilograms, or KiM for kilometers. Are milligrams now MiG and hectograms now HeG? I think someone was bored one day. Or this is some emerging EU standard?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte I did not know that a kg could have more than 1000g and hence that this comparison would apply.
To answer your question, I do not know where to change it. Perhaps in the locale settings where you set preferences for how money, date and such thing are specified?
I did not know that byte was a local format either. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 09:41 +0200, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Wikipedia to the rescue :) Interesting. I can agree that the 1000 vs. 1024 issue is often a source of confusion. Especially with hard disk capacity. Anyway, LOL. I also guess that David will not be ably to change this, unless he can see how to change the calculation to use 1000 instead of 1024. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
In <1246347277.28278.4.camel@acme.pacific>, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:51 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
KDE4 konqueror is displaying size in KiB and MiB instead of the traditional KB and MB. Where can I change this so I can view the size in KB & MB? The 'i' means nothing to my use of konqueror, but it is distracting to the eye to now have a whole new useless column of 'i's streaming down the page.
I don't know of an option to have dolphin/konqueror use standard SI instead of binary-SI prefixes, but if such an option exists (or is created) it better be *accurate* and not just a UI change. So, 41.6 KiB ~= 42.5 KB.
Not only that, Ki is non standard.
Not true. It is an IEC standard for binary-SI prefixes. They are recommended against for measuring anything other than bits or bytes. Also bits and bytes aren't included as SI units.[1] RAM is measured in GiB, even if it is traditionally written GB. HD space from the manufacturer is traditionally measured and written with GB or TB, while most OSes have reported file and file system sizes in KiB, MiB, GiB, or TiB, even if it was written KB, MB, GB, TB. Bandwith is almost always measures in Kbit/s or Mbit/s and labeled that way, although some users have misunderstood this to me Kibit/s or even KiB/s.
I have never seen KiG for kilograms,
A Kig, if ever used[2], would be a kilo-binary-gram a.k.a. a kebigram a.k.a. 1024 grams. Grams use a lowercase 'g'.
or KiM for kilometers.
Kim = 1024 meters. Meters use a lowercase 'm'.
Are milligrams now MiG
The binary prefixes are only defined for positive powers of 2^10, so there is no milli-binary-gram. An Mig is 1024 Kig or 1048576 g(rams).
and hectograms now HeG?
IIRC, hecto- is *100, right? If so, it doesn't have a binary-SI prefix, so this would not be a valid unit.
I think someone was bored one day. Or this is some emerging EU standard?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#IEC_standard_prefixes (and the rest of the page, too.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/ [1] This means both (a) using SI prefixes for bits or bytes and (b) using binary-SI prefixes for SI units are equally invalid. The former is more accepted though. [2] Please don't use binary-SI for non-computing units.
On Tuesday 30 June 2009 02:41:45 am Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Dienstag, 30. Juni 2009 09:34:37 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
KDE4 konqueror is displaying size in KiB and MiB instead of the traditional KB and MB. Where can I change this so I can view the size in KB & MB? The 'i' means nothing to my use of konqueror, but it is distracting to the eye to now have a whole new useless column of 'i's streaming down the page. The view is a whole lot cleaner without them. I'm sure somebody cares whether the file is 41.6 KiB instead of 41.6 KB, but I would be startled if the percentage of people that do exceeds 1%.
Not only that, Ki is non standard. I have never seen KiG for kilograms, or KiM for kilometers. Are milligrams now MiG and hectograms now HeG? I think someone was bored one day. Or this is some emerging EU standard?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte
I did not know that a kg could have more than 1000g and hence that this comparison would apply.
To answer your question, I do not know where to change it. Perhaps in the locale settings where you set preferences for how money, date and such thing are specified?
I did not know that byte was a local format either.
Sven
Sven, Thanks, but that was a "non-answer". The question is "where can I turn the stupid "i" off to get MB and KB back?" MB could be defined and "duck soup" by wikipedia and "MiB" could be defined as "horse crap" -- I don't care. I just want to be able to choose whether I see MB or MiB displayed next to the numbers and I prefer MB. This is KDE which is supposed to be configurable. My screen space is at a premium and I don't need it wasted on an additional column of "i"s streaming down my page that mean, and add, "nothing" to my use of the desktop. So please, asking politely, where do I turn them off? If you don't know, then a simple non-reply will suffice. Thanks. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 7. Juli 2009 08:07:29 schrieb David C. Rankin:
On Tuesday 30 June 2009 02:41:45 am Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Dienstag, 30. Juni 2009 09:34:37 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
KDE4 konqueror is displaying size in KiB and MiB instead of the traditional KB and MB. Where can I change this so I can view the size in KB & MB? The 'i' means nothing to my use of konqueror, but it is distracting to the eye to now have a whole new useless column of 'i's streaming down the page. The view is a whole lot cleaner without them. I'm sure somebody cares whether the file is 41.6 KiB instead of 41.6 KB, but I would be startled if the percentage of people that do exceeds 1%.
Not only that, Ki is non standard. I have never seen KiG for kilograms, or KiM for kilometers. Are milligrams now MiG and hectograms now HeG? I think someone was bored one day. Or this is some emerging EU standard?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte
I did not know that a kg could have more than 1000g and hence that this comparison would apply.
To answer your question, I do not know where to change it. Perhaps in the locale settings where you set preferences for how money, date and such thing are specified?
I did not know that byte was a local format either.
Sven
Sven,
Thanks, but that was a "non-answer". The question is "where can I turn the stupid "i" off to get MB and KB back?" MB could be defined and "duck soup" by wikipedia and "MiB" could be defined as "horse crap" -- I don't care. I just want to be able to choose whether I see MB or MiB displayed next to the numbers and I prefer MB. This is KDE which is supposed to be configurable. My screen space is at a premium and I don't need it wasted on an additional column of "i"s streaming down my page that mean, and add, "nothing" to my use of the desktop.
So please, asking politely, where do I turn them off? If you don't know, then a simple non-reply will suffice. Thanks.
I did reply to Roger Oberholtzer's email, threading helps! And please stop double posting to kde developer's list and opensuse list. As other have told you already, kde-devel is not for user support. Thanks. Don't forget to report a bug against zypper, it uses kib too. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Sven Burmeister
Am Dienstag, 7. Juli 2009 08:07:29 schrieb David C. Rankin:
On Tuesday 30 June 2009 02:41:45 am Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Dienstag, 30. Juni 2009 09:34:37 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
KDE4 konqueror is displaying size in KiB and MiB instead of the traditional KB and MB. Where can I change this so I can view the size in KB & MB? The 'i' means nothing to my use of konqueror, but it is distracting to the eye to now have a whole new useless column of 'i's streaming down the page. The view is a whole lot cleaner without them. I'm sure somebody cares whether the file is 41.6 KiB instead of 41.6 KB, but I would be startled if the percentage of people that do exceeds 1%.
Not only that, Ki is non standard. I have never seen KiG for kilograms, or KiM for kilometers. Are milligrams now MiG and hectograms now HeG? I think someone was bored one day. Or this is some emerging EU standard?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte
I did not know that a kg could have more than 1000g and hence that this comparison would apply.
To answer your question, I do not know where to change it. Perhaps in the locale settings where you set preferences for how money, date and such thing are specified?
I did not know that byte was a local format either.
Sven
Sven,
Thanks, but that was a "non-answer". The question is "where can I turn the stupid "i" off to get MB and KB back?" MB could be defined and "duck soup" by wikipedia and "MiB" could be defined as "horse crap" -- I don't care. I just want to be able to choose whether I see MB or MiB displayed next to the numbers and I prefer MB. This is KDE which is supposed to be configurable. My screen space is at a premium and I don't need it wasted on an additional column of "i"s streaming down my page that mean, and add, "nothing" to my use of the desktop.
So please, asking politely, where do I turn them off? If you don't know, then a simple non-reply will suffice. Thanks.
I did reply to Roger Oberholtzer's email, threading helps! And please stop double posting to kde developer's list and opensuse list. As other have told you already, kde-devel is not for user support. Thanks.
Don't forget to report a bug against zypper, it uses kib too.
Sven
I have not followed this thread but I hope the request is to have various apps display MiB and MB etc. Where MiB is (1024)**2 and MB is (1000)**2 If so, I agree. If the request is to continue to use the (1024)**2 factor, but change the suffix from MiB to MB, that is just plain wrong. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer Preservation and Forensic processing of Exchange Repositories White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/tng_whitepaper_fpe.html The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
The question is "where can I turn the stupid "i" off to get MB and KB back?"
There really ought to be a locale(ish) or Konqueror-specific setting to indicate how file sizes should be displayed. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 06:54:11 am Per Jessen wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
The question is "where can I turn the stupid "i" off to get MB and KB back?"
There really ought to be a locale(ish) or Konqueror-specific setting to indicate how file sizes should be displayed.
/Per
Yes there are a lot of things in kde4 that are big disappointments from a configuration standpoint. Instead of being able to set icon size in px, now your only choices are small, medium and large (would you like fries with that too?) That's but one example. Another is this MB MiB issue. Why don't I have to option to configure this? KDE has always been about the users ability to customize the desktop to their liking and their needs. For you devs working on these issues, please remember that. We don't want and one-size-fits-all desktop. If I did, I'd use gnome. I want the options to configure the display pretty much to the same level I can in kde3. Nothing more or special. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 13. Juli 2009 09:35:02 schrieb David C. Rankin:
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 06:54:11 am Per Jessen wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
The question is "where can I turn the stupid "i" off to get MB and KB back?"
There really ought to be a locale(ish) or Konqueror-specific setting to indicate how file sizes should be displayed.
Yes there are a lot of things in kde4 that are big disappointments from a configuration standpoint. Instead of being able to set icon size in px, now your only choices are small, medium and large (would you like fries with that too?)
That's but one example. Another is this MB MiB issue. Why don't I have to option to configure this? KDE has always been about the users ability to customize the desktop to their liking and their needs. For you devs working on these issues, please remember that. We don't want and one-size-fits-all desktop. If I did, I'd use gnome. I want the options to configure the display pretty much to the same level I can in kde3. Nothing more or special.
I guess it's the same as the so called bling, some think it is necessary for whatever reason and be it only to be able to customise your desktop, others think it clutters the desktop, distracts from the real work and adds no value but for a few effect-geeks. Being able to configure everything might also be a "one-size" that does not fit everybody, e.g. because it could be too overwhelming. I found http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/20973.html which is about the "lack of configuration options" topic and the comments show pretty well, that the perception is twofold even regarding whether there are really that many and important configs missing. The question is, where does configuration overkill start, i.e. only a few would use that feature and it would be perceived as clutter by the majority, and where does the "clean interface" approach start to hinder work. Gnome is one extreme of this matter, KDE3 was the other. Certainly e.g. printing is IMHO one application that really lacks some settings and does hinder work. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Thanks, but that was a "non-answer". The question is "where can I turn the stupid "i" off to get MB and KB back?" MB could be defined and "duck soup" by wikipedia and "MiB" could be defined as "horse crap" -- I don't care. I just want to be able to choose whether I see MB or MiB displayed next to the numbers and I prefer MB. This is KDE which is supposed to be configurable. My screen space is at a premium and I don't need it wasted on an additional column of "i"s streaming down my page that mean, and add, "nothing" to my use of the desktop.
You can not change it, period. MiB is the correct unit per the current standard, so it is here to stay, and devs have the "obligation" to use it. I think I read a commitment to that end somewhere, perhaps in Novell or openSUSE. You could request the devs to add a setting to measure sizes in multiples of 10 instead, and then the units would show as "MB", but meaning 10⁶, which is not what you expect. Some references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1541 IEEE 1541-2002 is a standard issued by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) concerning the use of prefixes for binary multiples of units of measurement related to digital electronics and computing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60027 International Electrotechnical Commission's standard on Letter symbols to be used in electrical technology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix And there you can find the references to the official references of the professional associations. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpbmCgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WPJwCfSQWZH8Aw9deA4f+oiBOEQjFe D4oAn3X73W+svTWvO9baXHESnGGDA/vU =eX9s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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