On 08/28/2014 04:29 PM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
Anton Aylward írta:
On 08/27/2014 07:08 PM, Istvan Gabor wrote:
"Carlos E. R." írta:
On 2014-08-28 00:35, Istvan Gabor wrote:
> So we don't have either adobe reader or kpdf in openSUSE 13.1
> by the default KDE4 or gnome. Does openSUSES 13.1 have a pdf
> viewer that works as good as adobe reader or kpdf?
There are different selection modes in okular. Try a different
Yes, after selecting the text by drawing a rectangular I have to
choose from either select text or select image copy to clipboard.
I do select text copy to clipboard. The copied text becomes a
pasting text from some PDF files is actually very
Yes, but not in kdfp (last stable version 6 years ago). It works
maybe I'm misinterpreting but ...
Yes, you are seriously misinterpreting and
Or maybe, just maybe, I'm making the point that
"Context is Everything"
So I create a document using openlibre and export
that as a PDF.
First, someone else sent me the document, so I have no influence on
how it is created.
I later mention this difference.
Second, not openlibre (I don't know what it is)
but Adobe InDesign
CS3 (5.0) is the creator according to the file properties info.
I state very clearly what I'm doing and the constraints I'm working
under. You haven't mentioned the method of creation of the document
I open the PDF
with okular and use the text tool (clt-F4) and swipe
over some text.
I did not know about this option.
I suspected that because you didn't specify which one of the selection
I used the default one which selection tool according
Apparently we differ as to what we consider 'default.
When I click it, another tooltip saying "Draw a
text/graphics to copy."
I don't have tooltips turned on.
Accordig to this info this tool should copy text.
Perhaps its a 'native English' thing but 'rectangle around' to me
implied something more graphic than selecting text.
By the way, this is the same protocol so far as in
And here I think is your problem.
Its not kpdf. Treating it as if it were can lead to surprises when it
doesn't behave as if it is. Superficially, LibreOffice may look like
MS-Word, Thunderbird my look like MS-Outlook but they are not and the
details of operation differ.
After selecting the text by drawing the rectangle I
either a) text copy to clipboard or b) image copy to clipboard.
Funnily I selected "text copy to clipboard".
Yes, funny that.
As I said, when I did this with the documents I generate I did get text.
oh, wait, its
selecting text just like in a word processor and not,
as Istvan says, drawing a rectangle. I'm using the text tool and
not the 'selection tool'.
In the meantime I looked into this selection tool thing and found in
the tools menu the different selection options. I did not use this
before. If I select text selection tool and select text it is not at
all like selecting text in a word processor.
Why do you say that?
When I select text in a wp the individual words are highlighted. Not
some rectangle around them.
So why do you think its different? What happens for you? Does
something _other_ than the individual words get highlighted?
I have then at least 20
green colored boxes with different sizes, when they overlap the color
is darker green. There are several overlaps, at least 10.
Is the text of different sizes? Are these individual boxes around each
word? The "box around each word" is one way of describing the wp mode
highlighting that *I* am describing, but the overlapping I find curious.
Perhaps you could send me a screenshot of same?
I open another
text window. Lets be dumb, lets make that vim, and
paste that selected text in. It goes in with the same line breaks,
not 'one word per line'.
I do have it also with some other pdf documents. The result of the
copy/paste is absolutely independent from which tool, the text
selection tool, or the selection tool is used for copying the text.
I'm beginning to think that this is all an property of the document.
Now, I freely grant that this is a biased test.
Yes, if you mean your test, your rigth, it is a biased test.
And yes the purpose of the test is to show that ocular _can_ correctly
select text from PDF documents. Or at least some PDF documents that
have been generated by a reasonable tool.
On my android tablet the bookshelf tools have a FOSS PDF reader that
often renders dual column text from magazine articles with the columns
overlapping. I can read those same documents using acroread, Foxit,
ocular or even print the with ghostscript and they come out OK.
So the concept of "fuzzy" and "reasonable" are not truly separate.
It makes me wonder, Istvan, about using something like acroread or Foxit
to read that document and try selecting text and pasting it.
it is not some
J. Q. Random piece of PDF off the net, not one
produced by that dread tool, Microsoft Word. I've seen what kind
of HTML that produces and can dread the PDF.
I even can not comprehend this.
I'll try again.
Rather than using some outsider piece of PDF I created one under
constrained condition using LibreOffice.
I've seen the quality of the HTML produced by MS-Word when it 'Save as'
HTML, and its awful! Based on that I don't expect the quality of a PDF
document generated by MS-word to be of high quality.
That being said, I do have some among the articles I've downloaded.
I can see mention of same in the File->properties. Ones I've downloaded
from TechRepublic are examples.
OOPS! Just looked 'under the hood' at the source of one and yes it is
All in all, I prefer acroread on screen but I find that it has problems
occasionally dealing with landscape printing. Foxit isn't always the
best on-screen but it doesn't have problems printing files that break
I'd be interested in learning more and seeing an example of this kind of
anomaly, but I really don't like the "KDE4 is broken and and KDE3 is the
greatest and should never have been supplanted" rhetoric. I'm sure if I
started spouting that the Roman Empire was great and was corrupted by
Christianity which brought about its downfall and while we've become
more technologically proficient we have never reached the level of
culture the pagan Romans had I'd have a lot of people down on me and
Henne issuing cease-and-desist orders.
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