On 28/07/2020 00.10, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:03:30 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

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David C. Rankin composed on 2020-07-27 14:38 (UTC-0500):

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Just going through source listings at

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http://download.opensuse.org/source/distribution/leap/

Ouch!!!

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there is some kind of new "Pretty Print" html-ized format being used that underlines the entire row containing the srpm instead of the normal raw directory listing that only underlines the package. This (1) doubles the height of the listing you have to scroll and (2) makes scanning the listing awkward.

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Is there some way, or switch, that will revert to the simple listing?

Most mirrors have historically provided much faster listing loads, some 30X or more because of the HTML tables doo was using. Large tables are inefficient HTML code to display, besides being much larger in bytes than typical mirror listing content. e.g.

http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/source/distribution/leap/15.2/repo/oss/src/ saves as 1,827,714 bytes

http://download.opensuse.org/source/distribution/leap/15.2/repo/oss/src/ saves as 5,213,482, or 285% of gwdg listing size.

bug report: https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/62255 Looks like the new styles may be an attempt to incorporate improved efficiency, and the added margins and/or padding amounts to a regression.

Previous list thread: https://lists.opensuse.org/heroes/2020-01/msg00023.html

Ouch! The D.O.O page is horrible. I don't see anything underlined, what I see is a double-spaced music paper background (i.e. alternate backgrounds coloured). There's also a massive gap between the rpm name and the last modified date and at some browser widths the last column shows 'Deta' instead of 'Details'. In very narrow widths it just shows the filename and a lot of space to the right. In all widths it keeps wide empty margins that are completely unnecessary for a directory listing.

There's a strange icon at the top right, with four small squares arranged in a square (looks like a cooker hob). I've no idea what that means and there's no tooltip. At narrow browser widths there's another icon next to it with three horizontal lines. I might expect that to be a menu but again there's no tooltip and nothing happens when I click on either of them. (Note that I have script disabled and I'm using FF).

I see a big menu, a list of other interesting sites related to openSUSE. At the left, another menu (shortcuts) has entries to other openSUSE download sites. Nothing to customize the page display.

If I click on a 'Details' link, I'm taken to a page listing mirrors. If I click on 'Map showing the closest mirrors' I'm shown:

'The Google Maps Platform server rejected your request. You must use an API key to authenticate each request to Google Maps Platform APIs. For additional information, please refer to http://g.co/dev/maps-no-account'.

In short it's a disaster at many levels. It's a design disaster and a functional disaster. The simple listing from GWDG is far better IMHO.

It works fine here. Just enable the scripts. :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Felix Miata composed on 2020-07-27 21:35 (UTC-0400):

A script on a files list page is purely designer ego, nothing but bloat.

More about the bloat: http://download.opensuse.org/theme/download.css total bytes: 249,190 lines containing margin: 217 bytes in lines containing margin: 51,197 lines containing padding: 167 bytes in lines containing padding: 45,820 lines containing margin-bo: 68 bytes in lines containing margin-bo: 26,431 lines containing padding-bo: 27 bytes in lines containing padding-bo: 22,962 In mozilla.org browsers, user styles can shrink the wasted vertical space meaningfully by adding a file: opensusedl.css to <profiledir>/chrome containing @-moz-document domain(download.opensuse.org) { table tr td a, table tr th a {padding: 0 !important;} * {margin-bottom: 0 !important;} * {padding-bottom: 0 !important;} } and creating or adding to <profiledir>/userContent.css the line @import url("opensusedl.css"); Removing the wasted whitespace at the sides and making the rest of the columns show up will require more effort.... -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/28/20 9:42 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

That's good news and I may just add the text directly to userContent.css (I always add a comment above it explaining what it is killing)

The bigger is though, can't the genius that add that stuff just remove it so we don't have to write a second hack to negate the first?

They obviously have no business in IT, perhaps a transfer to custodial services would impress that point upon them....

admin@o.o ticket opened -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/28/20 9:42 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

The bigger is though, can't the genius that add that stuff just remove it so we don't have to write a second hack to negate the first?

They obviously have no business in IT, perhaps a transfer to custodial services would impress that point upon them....

David, remember that they have pointy-haired bosses that call the shots -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/07/2020 16:42, David C. Rankin wrote:

The bigger is though, can't the genius that add that stuff just remove it so we don't have to write a second hack to negate the first?

For starters, report the issue to admin@o.o, then it can at least be discussed. Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

I don't think so, no. I would write to admin@o.o and explain the problem. I am not overly fond of the new format either, the key functionality seems to have been deprecated in favour of better looks.

And as most people know, 'better' in the context of 'looks' is an extremely subjective perception. E.g., the new "better looks" of skype (some years ago) made me stop using it at all.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/07/2020 17.59, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 7/28/20 5:22 AM, Peter Suetterlin wrote:

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And as most people know, 'better' in the context of 'looks' is an extremely subjective perception.

E.g., the new "better looks" of skype (some years ago) made me stop using it at all....

Let's not forget the benefits of KDE4.... of minor-version specific Gtk+3 themes... :p

It's the old "If it ain't broke -- don't fix it" adage. Why quintuple the bandwidth use and for users to scroll 3 times as far as necessary (that makes one hell of a big difference on large repos like Update or Oss) Instead of 1000 lines to scroll -- you know have 3000 lines to scroll to find the same package -- and god help you if you need zenity....

Hit "ctrl-f" and type "zenity" :-) Pretty doesn't bother me much, only if it adds download size. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 (Legolas))