Hi Roger, On Thursday, 20 December 2018 11:44:05 CET, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

The reports I have read seem mainly to be about the CPU being busier than it should be. Seems that there are some BIOS settings that effect this. I cannot observe this behavior. However, the 'sleep' mode is somewhat power- hungry, and the battery drains in sleep mode too fast.

I have read that people are getting best results when not installing drivers for the NVIDIA. The issues seem to be a mix of decreased battery time when the NVIDIA is used and some issues with screen artifacts. I specifically went for the non-NVIDIA version as I wanted a more enduring device.

Did you let the openSUSE install manage setting up the dual boot? Did you shrink the W10 partition in Windows? IIRC I proceeded as follows:

- Replace hard drive with a larger SSD (which was cheaper than buying the laptop with a larger SSD from the beginning) - Install Windows, manually partition HDD - Install Tumbleweed, the installer managed dual-booting for me.

Would you recommend the laptop for use with openSUSE?

Yes (aka I have seen worse). Full hardware support would be better, but I assume it will happen someday soon. HTH Dimitri

On 21/12/2018 10.11, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:49 PM Dimitri Scheftelowitsch <> wrote:

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IIRC I proceeded as follows:

- Replace hard drive with a larger SSD (which was cheaper than buying the laptop with a larger SSD from the beginning) - Install Windows, manually partition HDD - Install Tumbleweed, the installer managed dual-booting for me.

I have also been wondering about a bigger hard disk. I always run out of space. Our development setup (Linux and MinGW Windows) and all tools can become rather large. And I like to have test data.

Did you need to buy a Windows license or could you install the one that should have come with the laptop?

I read that with Windows 10 the license is tied to the machine and that you can replace the hard disk with no issues, automatically (and that disk would not work on a different machine). However, I do not know how they identify the machine. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.0 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))

On 21/12/2018 14.01, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:58 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I read that with Windows 10 the license is tied to the machine and that you can replace the hard disk with no issues, automatically (and that disk would not work on a different machine). However, I do not know how they identify the machine.

That's for the Dell? All PCs?

All PCs.

So one could install a hard disk, download and install Windows. And it figures out the machine info to get a valid license? Automatically?

That's what an expert said on the W10 newsgroup. I have seen several other posts from him and he seems reliable. However, I have not tried it. Before reading that advice, this summer I migrated disks on a Windows laptop (Lenovo). I simply "dd'ed" the original rotating rust disk to an SSD of double size, told gparted to "expand" the partition table (it offered to do so automatically), and installed Linux on that empty space. At some point in the procedure I booted Windows and it did not complain at all. Maybe it did a silent checkdisk, it called Mama, I don't know. :-) Ah, Windows doesn't say now that there are empty space and offer to format the Linux partitions ;-) The idea of "dd" is that it copies the disk identifier, which is one of the items that Windows used to say that it was the same machine. fdisk (advanced menu) can edit that field. Ah, and being GPT partitions we no longer have to play tricks with the limit of 4 partitions being already used. Things improve :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

22.12.2018 7:07, Basil Chupin пишет:

On 22/12/18 12:01 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:58 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I read that with Windows 10 the license is tied to the machine and that you can replace the hard disk with no issues, automatically (and that disk would not work on a different machine). However, I do not know how they identify the machine. That's for the Dell? All PCs?

So one could install a hard disk, download and install Windows. And it figures out the machine info to get a valid license? Automatically?

No, you need the licence number for the copy of Windows when you are installing it.

Wrong in general unless you talk about something like Windows NT or earlier. And it is not called "license number" to start with, it is called "product key".

But you wrote in an earlier post is that you have Windows already installed on some machine but you may want to replace the HDD on which Windows is installed with a SSD. If so then what you can do is to use Clonezilla and CLONE the HDD with Windows onto a SSD and Windows will quite happily boot and run from the SSD.

I mention this because if the machine you have came with Windows already installed then you wouldn't have the required licence details ('cause the lmachinne supplier installed Windows and therefore kept the installation disc which has the licence number printed on it).

Welcome to the present, Mr. Rip van Winkle. Read about SLP or "Windows 10 digital license".

While I don't have a SSD, nor really know anything about them, yesterday I did clone Windows on my desktop from one HDD to another, larger, HDD and Window booted without any hassles from the new HDD (clone).

Re how Windows "... figures out the machine info to get a valid license ..." I don't the answer but it probably uses the info you would get when you run the Linux command 'hwinfo --short' or some such.

BC

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On 22/12/2018 05.07, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 22/12/18 12:01 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:58 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I read that with Windows 10 the license is tied to the machine and that you can replace the hard disk with no issues, automatically (and that disk would not work on a different machine). However, I do not know how they identify the machine. That's for the Dell? All PCs?

So one could install a hard disk, download and install Windows. And it figures out the machine info to get a valid license? Automatically?

No, you need the licence number for the copy of Windows when you are installing it.

Apparently not when that machine came installed with Windows from factory. A modern machine in the M$ database.

Re how Windows "... figures out the machine info to get a valid license ..." I don't the answer but it probably uses the info you would get when you run the Linux command 'hwinfo --short' or some such.

CPU serial number, I guess. Or motherboard serial number, in the firmware. My new and small laptop displays that number in the BIOS screen. Previously, from disk ID number, which clonezilla clones. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 22/12/2018 05:07, Basil Chupin wrote:

No, you need the licence number for the copy of Windows when you are installing it.

This is not correct. On *some* hardware *from participating vendors* Win10 can activate itself automatically. You can do a clean install of Win10 on *any* machine without a product key. It will install, install *critical* updates (only) and run, but product activation will fail. As a result you cannot, for instance, customise the taskbar layout. Additionally, a Win7, 8, or 8.1 key can be used to install and activate Win10. AFAIK *any* valid key will work. Additionally, the free upgrade programme is still available, so long as you turn on an accessibility tool, such as Windows Narrator or Magnifier. Then previous versions can be upgraded to 10 and will still function and will be pre-activated. (If they were activated in the first place, obviously.)

But you wrote in an earlier post is that you have Windows already installed on some machine but you may want to replace the HDD on which Windows is installed with a SSD. If so then what you can do is to use Clonezilla and CLONE the HDD with Windows onto a SSD and Windows will quite happily boot and run from the SSD.

This is not universal. It depends if other hardware components had been previously changed or replaced. Windows keeps a tally of changed hardware and when this exceeds a certain value that only Microsoft knows, it de-activates itself. If you had previously upgraded some parts, e.g. your graphics adaptor, and then change the HD, it *might* require re-activation. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

07.01.2019 15:58, Carlos E. R. пишет:

On 07/01/2019 13.29, Liam Proven wrote:

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On 22/12/2018 05:07, Basil Chupin wrote:

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No, you need the licence number for the copy of Windows when you are installing it.

This is not correct.

On *some* hardware *from participating vendors* Win10 can activate itself automatically.

That's interesting :-)

Is vmware or virtualbox "participating"? ;-)

No. "Participating" in this case means - system vendor bundles Windows license with system it sells. VMware never did it. It is possible to expose original host SMBIOS/ACPI information used by auto-activation to VM with VMware (I suppose same is possible with VB). With older system-lock technologies that relied on vendor signature in BIOS and avoided activation entirely when you used suitable installation medium that would technically allow you to install any number of fully functional Windows instances (I do not imply that it was legal). With modern technique that simply stores product activation key in BIOS you still need to activate your installation and you can do it just once.

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Additionally, the free upgrade programme is still available, so long as you turn on an accessibility tool, such as Windows Narrator or Magnifier. Then previous versions can be upgraded to 10 and will still function and will be pre-activated. (If they were activated in the first place, obviously.)

Ah

Upgraded systems use so called "digital license" which is unique identification for your installation which is generated on update and stored on Microsoft sites associated with your Microsoft account. There is no product key involved. This "digital license" is then used for activation and tied to hardware hash as usual. This allows you to reinstall updated system *if* you have Microsoft account - on install digital license is fetched from your account and automatically activates installed Windows.

On 07/01/2019 16:11, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

The question is if this would work re-installing Windows on a smaller partition on a computer that also has openSUSE.

Yes it should. However, at the least, the bootloader will need to be reinstalled.

I suspect one is best just shrinking the Windows 10 partition and then adding openSUSE.

Agreed. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/01/2019 15:30, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

Upgraded systems use so called "digital license" which is unique identification for your installation which is generated on update and stored on Microsoft sites associated with your Microsoft account. There is no product key involved. This "digital license" is then used for activation and tied to hardware hash as usual. This allows you to reinstall updated system *if* you have Microsoft account - on install digital license is fetched from your account and automatically activates installed Windows.

I defer to your superior knowledge. I do have a Microsoft account, inasmuch as I opened a Hotmail account when Microsoft acquired the site, just to have a look. I've never used it for anything important, but it still works some 23 or so years later. I mainly use it as my spam-trap email address for people/places/sites I never want to hear from again. As it's there, though, I also let Win8.x/10 use it, and OneDrive and other MS services. So I have probably never tried an install of a modern version of Windows that was _not_ linked to an MS account. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 21/12/2018 11:58, Carlos E. R. wrote:

I read that with Windows 10 the license is tied to the machine and that you can replace the hard disk with no issues, automatically

This is not the complete truth. In _some_ machines, the Windows product key is in embedded in the UEFI firmware. On such machines, Win10 can read it, install and activate itself without intervention. However this is not not universal. It does not work on all UEFI machines, all vendors, etc. It does not work at all on BIOS machines. Some modern motherboards do not support it.

(and that disk would not work on a different machine).

If you mean moving the disk and have the Windows install on it boot and run without issue: no, it won't work, but it never did on old versions either, not since XP (the first version with product activation). If the hardware is identical or nearly so, it may boot but will deactivate itself. If the hardware is not near-identical, it won't boot. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Roger, [...]

Would you recommend the laptop for use with openSUSE?

I had to make a decision for a new notebook last month. Until now I always had Thinkpads - and yes, you can run them with openSUSE, but they are far from being perfect. After reading a lot of comments and tests (especially on notebookcheck.net), I decided to buy a DELL XPS 13 9370. The developer edition comes with Ubuntu preinstalled. I installed openSUSE Tumbleweed and tested each and everything. And what can I say: Everything works for me, including all devices connected to my Thunderbolt dock (scanner, printer, audio box, ...). Then I simply copied my Tumbleweed installation from the previous machine to this new one - and still everything worked after having modified a few config files. The battery has less power than the Lenovo ones, but in daily usage the machine runs about 10 to 12 hours without having to connect it to an external power source. Having connected it it is fully charged in about one and a half hours. What was really important for me: I hate noise, so the notebook must be as silent as possible. The XPS is completely silent, if the power scheme is set to "Quiet" and you only use office programs or surf on the Internet. During backups or compilation one can hear the fans (yes it has two of them), but it is not louder than a slight rustling ot leaves. So I can definitely recommend this notebook and especially for use with linux. Only pitfall is the trackpad, which reacts a bit too slow and is a bit too unprecise in my opinion. But perhaps I have to get used to it.

-- Roger Oberholtzer

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In data mercoledì 19 dicembre 2018 20:49:43 CET, Dimitri Scheftelowitsch ha scritto:

- WLAN sometimes does not work after wakeup (rebooting helps, have not investigated the cause)

It is possible you run into one of those two: Bug 1097605 iwlwifi module does crash during normal operation. wlan afterwards is not reacting any more Bug 1100084 - kwallet does not allow password input when system wakes up from suspend to disc If it is the second: what works is 50% of the time to do in CLI a "rcnetworkctl restart" 100% of the time if you log out and log in again that user. The first one requires a full system restart. But since some time it has become more rare that I am hit by it. Lenovo X201 and Leap 15 _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ Ihre E-Mail-Postfächer sicher & zentral an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und alte E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! https://www.eclipso.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org