On Monday 29 June 2009 09:51:59 am Rodney Baker wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:42:49 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
because compiz and kde-win are 2 different window managers. If
you use compiz as your window manager (which runs on top of the kde
desktop) you use ccsm. If, OTOH, you use kde-win (which now has its own
desktop effects completely independent of compiz), you use the KDE
I guess I was confused by a name like 'simple-ccsm-kde' not meaning that
it was actually configuring something for use by kde. I guess the 'kde'
in the name really means the configuration program is written to run
under KDE, but it does not change anything KDE actually uses.
OOC, is there an up-to-date (openSUSE 11.1, kde 4.2.4 or newer)
description of using compiz as the window manager rather than kwin? I
went through all this a year or so ago with Autostart files and other
it-is-not-really-integrated-yet stuff. Is this still the case? In fact,
is there any reason to use compiz over kwin?
Not IMHO, no (but that is just my taste), unless you want to run emerald as
the window decorator. That only works with compiz.
In my experience, compiz is way better integrated (and more stable) with gnome
rather than kde, however I've not tried it with kde4. Kwin works fine for my
Others on this list have used it with kde4, however, so they might like to
For desktop effects in KDE4 -- Compiz is still the way to go. All of the built in KDE4
desktop effects that mimic what the compiz desktop effects do (do just that
"mimic" less than stellarly I might add).
I have worked with every KDE4 "Desktop Effect" (hereafter KDE4 DE) tweaked
every setting and animation duration, etc.. and I can get them to work with close to the
"polish" of the compiz effects, but that is as close as you can ever get.
The biggest shortcomings of the KDE4 desktop effects are the lack of the compiz
"Expo" effect and lack of the compiz "Scale" effect (usually activated
by mouse top-left and mouse top-right, respectively). I greatly prefer the desktop
rotation in the cylinder form. That, along with the sphere is broken in the KDE DE.
Further, the KDE4 DE cube is quite awkward to manipulate compared to the same compiz
effect. In KDE4 DE, there is no mouse "initiation" of cube rotation, you are
stuck starting the rotation with ctrl+f11 then grab the cube with the mouse. In compiz
it's just ctrl+alt plus left-button with the mouse. (a really cool and convenient
change to compiz is to set cube rotate initiation to the Super(windows) key plus
On balance, I like the 4-up pager effect in KDE4 DE, but I don't consider it a
replacement for the compiz Expo plugin. The Expo plugin gives a much better and intuitive
view of your desktops IMHO.
All in all, it looks like the KDE devs are working to integrate the Compiz effects into
KDE4, but the current state of DE integration is where compiz was in it 5.X releases (over
a year and a half ago.
What the KDE4 devs need is some input and direction on what the community needs with the
DEs. It appears to me that some KDE4 group was tasked with making KDE4 have some DEs
similar to Compiz and what we see now is just the Devs 1st attempt at making a cube rotate
and making a shift-switcher and a vista-like switcher.
I recommend you try both the KDE4 DEs and Compiz-fusion. The "Fusion-Icon"
script and systray icon still allow for switching between compiz and kwin painlessly. For
me, compiz is far ahead of the "fit, finish and function" curve while the KDE4
DEs are just starting to claw their way up the back side of the ladder.
I have been very please that in openSuSE the 7.8x version of Compiz-Fusion has continued
to work great on my 11.0 box even with factory kde4 beta 2 installed. I am equally
impressed that Compiz-Fusion 8.2 works great with kde4 beta 2 on my Archlinux box also,
showing that Compiz-Fusion is really here to stay with kde4. Yes, emerald themes continue
to work great in 8.2.
Go investigate and try for yourselves, but from what I see, KDE4 Desktop Effects have a
lot of catching up to do.
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