[opensuse] Open SuSE 10.3 still locking up
Hi, Any one come up with why the system still locks up ? I have tried everything that I have seen on this list to stop the lock ups and tried what I have seen on the internet. I did a test on the last lock up. I inserted a data DVD in to the DVD draw and the system came up with the data on the DVD but I had no control. Neither mouse nor keyboard would bring the system back to me. I had to press reset to get back into the system after a reboot. Looks like the system has a problem with the mouse and keyboard for some reason but what I have no idea. -- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clive, On Saturday 17 November 2007 13:13, Clive Rogers wrote:
Hi,
Any one come up with why the system still locks up ? I have tried everything that I have seen on this list to stop the lock ups and tried what I have seen on the internet.
Have you installed the recent kernel upgrade? If you're succumbing to the deadlocks to which the previous version's Reiser FS code was susceptible, your system could appear to hang, usually partially and likely progressively (as more processes fall into the "sleep from which none awake," if you will). If you have upgraded, then I'd suspect hardware problems. Have you looked in your kernel logs (/var/log/messages) for any telltale diagnostics?
I did a test on the last lock up. I inserted a data DVD in to the DVD draw and the system came up with the data on the DVD but I had no control. Neither mouse nor keyboard would bring the system back to me. I had to press reset to get back into the system after a reboot.
Looks like the system has a problem with the mouse and keyboard for some reason but what I have no idea.
It could be the hardware (are they USB or PS/2 peripherals?), but since the mouse and keyboard input is all mediated by the X server (when it's running), problems with mouse and keyboard responsiveness are not necessarily hardware problems. I've also seen systems show progressive "lock-up" when there's a run-away process that's consuming swap space to the point where the kernel begins to be unable launch new processes and eventually pick off (kill) other processes.
... Clive
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Hi Randall, On Saturday 17 November 2007 21:27:42 Randall R Schulz wrote:
Clive,
On Saturday 17 November 2007 13:13, Clive Rogers wrote:
Hi,
Any one come up with why the system still locks up ? I have tried everything that I have seen on this list to stop the lock ups and tried what I have seen on the internet.
Have you installed the recent kernel upgrade? If you're succumbing to the deadlocks to which the previous version's Reiser FS code was susceptible, your system could appear to hang, usually partially and likely progressively (as more processes fall into the "sleep from which none awake," if you will).
If you have upgraded, then I'd suspect hardware problems. Have you looked in your kernel logs (/var/log/messages) for any telltale diagnostics?
Yes I am running the lastest updates. I checked the /var/log/messages and the only thing in there is putting the /dev/sda -a -d sat in the smartd.conf. This I have done so I don't know if this will cure the problem. Probably not but its worth a try anyway.
I did a test on the last lock up. I inserted a data DVD in to the DVD draw and the system came up with the data on the DVD but I had no control. Neither mouse nor keyboard would bring the system back to me. I had to press reset to get back into the system after a reboot.
Looks like the system has a problem with the mouse and keyboard for some reason but what I have no idea.
It could be the hardware (are they USB or PS/2 peripherals?), but since the mouse and keyboard input is all mediated by the X server (when it's running), problems with mouse and keyboard responsiveness are not necessarily hardware problems.
Both the mouse and keyboard are wireless but plug into the PS/2 port. Worked fine on SuSE 8,9 and 10 series but started playing up with 10.3 Works fine under XP too.
I've also seen systems show progressive "lock-up" when there's a run-away process that's consuming swap space to the point where the kernel begins to be unable launch new processes and eventually pick off (kill) other processes.
I have 1 gig of DDR2 ram and a 2 gig swap. Running on Reiser FS.
... Clive
Randall Schulz
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On Saturday 17 November 2007 15:31, Clive Rogers wrote:
...
I guess with little more to go on, I'd probably just run MemTest86+ for a couple of full passes. (It's an available boot option on 10.3.) If that passes, I might see if I could log in remotely, providing it's an option. That is, if you can use ssh to log in from another system once the symptoms begin to occur, you might be able to uncover evidence that's eradicated when you forcibly reboot owing to your loss of any means of control (dead mouse and keyboard, specifically). And if you cannot log in remotely (assuming you've enabled your ssh service), then it bespeaks a problem bigger than the mouse and the keyboard. That, too, tells you something. Not much, but something.
Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/
Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK)
Cool! Frankly, I could not currently testify to the existence of stars... Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clive Rogers wrote:
Hi Randall,
On Saturday 17 November 2007 21:27:42 Randall R Schulz wrote:
Clive,
Hi,
Any one come up with why the system still locks up ? I have tried everything that I have seen on this list to stop the lock ups and tried what I have seen on the internet. Have you installed the recent kernel upgrade? If you're succumbing to
On Saturday 17 November 2007 13:13, Clive Rogers wrote: the deadlocks to which the previous version's Reiser FS code was susceptible, your system could appear to hang, usually partially and likely progressively (as more processes fall into the "sleep from which none awake," if you will).
If you have upgraded, then I'd suspect hardware problems. Have you looked in your kernel logs (/var/log/messages) for any telltale diagnostics?
Yes I am running the lastest updates. I checked the /var/log/messages and the only thing in there is putting the /dev/sda -a -d sat in the smartd.conf. This I have done so I don't know if this will cure the problem. Probably not but its worth a try anyway.
I did a test on the last lock up. I inserted a data DVD in to the DVD draw and the system came up with the data on the DVD but I had no control. Neither mouse nor keyboard would bring the system back to me. I had to press reset to get back into the system after a reboot.
Looks like the system has a problem with the mouse and keyboard for some reason but what I have no idea. It could be the hardware (are they USB or PS/2 peripherals?), but since the mouse and keyboard input is all mediated by the X server (when it's running), problems with mouse and keyboard responsiveness are not necessarily hardware problems.
Both the mouse and keyboard are wireless but plug into the PS/2 port. Worked fine on SuSE 8,9 and 10 series but started playing up with 10.3 Works fine under XP too.
I've also seen systems show progressive "lock-up" when there's a run-away process that's consuming swap space to the point where the kernel begins to be unable launch new processes and eventually pick off (kill) other processes.
I have 1 gig of DDR2 ram and a 2 gig swap. Running on Reiser FS.
... Clive Randall Schulz
Due you by chance have a ATI Radeon card in your box? -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi David, <snip>
Due you by chance have a ATI Radeon card in your box?
No I have an NVidia Xpert Vision GeForce 7300LE PCI-E 256MB card as the onboard DeltaChrome was/is not well supported.
-- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
-- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clive Rogers wrote:
Hi David,
<snip>
Do you by chance have a ATI Radeon card in your box?
No I have an NVidia Xpert Vision GeForce 7300LE PCI-E 256MB card as the onboard DeltaChrome was/is not well supported.
There is hope for you yet... -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 18 November 2007 18:23:49 David C. Rankin wrote:
Clive Rogers wrote:
Hi David,
<snip>
Do you by chance have a ATI Radeon card in your box?
No I have an NVidia Xpert Vision GeForce 7300LE PCI-E 256MB card as the onboard DeltaChrome was/is not well supported.
There is hope for you yet...
Not according to the Mrs ;-) -- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 13:27 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Clive,
On Saturday 17 November 2007 13:13, Clive Rogers wrote:
Hi,
Any one come up with why the system still locks up ? I have tried everything that I have seen on this list to stop the lock ups and tried what I have seen on the internet.
I had a problem with this until I disabled the BIOS power management stuff and the linux kernel power management stuff. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 13:27 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Clive, On Saturday 17 November 2007 13:13, Clive Rogers wrote:
Hi, Any one come up with why the system still locks up ? I have tried everything that I have seen on this list to stop the lock ups and tried what I have seen on the internet.
I had a problem with this until I disabled the BIOS power management stuff and the linux kernel power management stuff.
Excellent point! I ended up having to add the following to my /boot/grub/menu.lst entries: apm=off acpi=off And that was on a Dell PowerEdge 2600 that you'd "think" would work fine. I had to do that in 10.1 as well; although in 10.2 those parameters were NOT needed. Very strange. In the distant past, adding "noapic" also helped, although I didn't seem to need it this time. Anyway, you can test by just typing those things on the options line at the boot prompt and booting with them and seeing if it works. Then if it does you can make them a more permanent part of your bootloader configuration. Glen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Glen, <snip>
I had a problem with this until I disabled the BIOS power management stuff and the linux kernel power management stuff.
Excellent point! I ended up having to add the following to my /boot/grub/menu.lst entries:
apm=off acpi=off
And that was on a Dell PowerEdge 2600 that you'd "think" would work fine.
I had to do that in 10.1 as well; although in 10.2 those parameters were NOT needed. Very strange.
In the distant past, adding "noapic" also helped, although I didn't seem to need it this time.
Anyway, you can test by just typing those things on the options line at the boot prompt and booting with them and seeing if it works. Then if it does you can make them a more permanent part of your bootloader configuration.
Glen
I will do this and reboot and see if this helps the lock ups. Thanks for the tip. Never had this in the earlier versions of SuSE. -- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Roger, On Sunday 18 November 2007 19:46:52 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 13:27 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Clive,
On Saturday 17 November 2007 13:13, Clive Rogers wrote:
Hi,
Any one come up with why the system still locks up ? I have tried everything that I have seen on this list to stop the lock ups and tried what I have seen on the internet.
I had a problem with this until I disabled the BIOS power management stuff and the linux kernel power management stuff.
Do you mean the ACPI or the APM ?
-- Roger Oberholtzer
OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden
Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23
-- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-11-18 at 21:37 +0000, Clive Rogers wrote:
Do you mean the ACPI or the APM ?
ACPI. We have had to disable this in the BIOS and kernel in a recent batch of SuperMicro servers. The previous servers (same model/product number) had a different BIOS, and no need for this change. I have been following www.linuxfirmware.org to see how I might use their stuff to detect a potentially 'bad' BIOS. If that there were enough hours in the day... -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 08:20 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Sun, 2007-11-18 at 21:37 +0000, Clive Rogers wrote:
Do you mean the ACPI or the APM ?
ACPI. We have had to disable this in the BIOS and kernel in a recent batch of SuperMicro servers. The previous servers (same model/product number) had a different BIOS, and no need for this change.
I have been following www.linuxfirmware.org to see how I might use their stuff to detect a potentially 'bad' BIOS. If that there were enough hours in the day...
Sorry. That is www.linuxfirmwarekit.org -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
HI Roger, On Monday 19 November 2007 07:35:00 Roger Oberholtzer wrote: <snip>
Sorry. That is www.linuxfirmwarekit.org
This looks interesting ! I have downloaded the iso and will burn it later. I turned off the acpi in the bios and when booting SuSE and so far the system has been running some 12 hours and no lockups.
-- Roger Oberholtzer
OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST
Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden
Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696
-- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:39:35 -0000, Clive Rogers <c.rogers@ntlworld.com> wrote:
HI Roger,
On Monday 19 November 2007 07:35:00 Roger Oberholtzer wrote: <snip>
Sorry. That is www.linuxfirmwarekit.org
This looks interesting ! I have downloaded the iso and will burn it later. I turned off the acpi in the bios and when booting SuSE and so far the system has been running some 12 hours and no lockups.
-- Roger Oberholtzer
This might be way out, but just on the off chance it might be related, you could have a quick look at this article about locking up and 'buggy DSDT in bios": http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=13893 Sorry to waste your time if this is irrelevant - just thought it might be of some use. Cheers, David. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Been running now for 24 hours and no lockups. Cure was acpi=off at boot time. Thanks to everyone who helped make me a happy camper ;-) -- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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