[opensuse] Annoying Desktop behaviour of Programmes
Hi all, what is beginning to be quite annoying is working with different Desktops. I have different working groups organised on a desktop each. I often have OpenOffice Writer, Calc and Firefox open on various desktops. When I open up a link on Desktop 1 in Thunderbird, a window opens on the latest FireFox I used prevously; the one on the other desktop I used last. I have to hunt down in which desktop it opened by going to each desktop and activate it. This also happens when I open an OpenOffice document or calc file with konqueror. Closing all apps on the desktops before going to another desktop defeats the purpose of having different desktops - or have I missed the rational behind different desktops. Is it a bug or a feature? :-( All -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
LLLActive@GMX.Net schreef:
Hi all,
what is beginning to be quite annoying is working with different Desktops. I have different working groups organised on a desktop each. I often have OpenOffice Writer, Calc and Firefox open on various desktops. When I open up a link on Desktop 1 in Thunderbird, a window opens on the latest FireFox I used prevously; the one on the other desktop I used last. I have to hunt down in which desktop it opened by going to each desktop and activate it. This also happens when I open an OpenOffice document or calc file with konqueror. Closing all apps on the desktops before going to another desktop defeats the purpose of having different desktops - or have I missed the rational behind different desktops. Is it a bug or a feature?
:-( All If you want you can 'force' apps and windows to open whereever you want: right-click on top of a window > advanced window settings..
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On Wednesday 23 July 2008 11:35, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
Hi all,
what is beginning to be quite annoying is working with different Desktops. I have different working groups organised on a desktop each. I often have OpenOffice Writer, Calc and Firefox open on various desktops. When I open up a link on Desktop 1 in Thunderbird, a window opens on the latest FireFox I used prevously; the one on the other desktop I used last. I have to hunt down in which desktop it opened by going to each desktop and activate it. This also happens when I open an OpenOffice document or calc file with konqueror. Closing all apps on the desktops before going to another desktop defeats the purpose of having different desktops - or have I missed the rational behind different desktops. Is it a bug or a feature?
We think alike. I have eight virtual desktops and each has a specific purpose. Assuming you're using KDE: Two things are available to help you realize this kind of organization: 1) You can move individual windows or all of a given application's windows to a different desktop either via the window's menu (right-click the window titlebar) or via a taskbar icon. 2) You can impose pervasive preferences such as resident desktop, size, maximized state, exclusion from the ALT+Tab switcher, or taskbar. The interface for (2) is arcane (Right-click on titlebar -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings) to activate a dialog where you can define what is in effect a rule for constraining or modifying the window's behavior. The first two tabs in the resulting dialog, "Window" and "Window Extra" are used to determine to which windows the rule will apply. The other three tabs, "Geometry," "Preferences" and "Workarounds" are the special behaviors that will be imposed when a window meets the criteria in the first two windows. You'll have to experiment with these to get the selectivity and behavior you want, but it's a very powerful scheme once you get the hang of it. You can also find a centralized editor for these rules in the KDE Control Center: Desktop -> Window-Specific Settings.
:-(
All
Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Randall R Schulz
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 11:35, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
Hi all,
what is beginning to be quite annoying is working with different Desktops. I have different working groups organised on a desktop each. I often have OpenOffice Writer, Calc and Firefox open on various desktops. When I open up a link on Desktop 1 in Thunderbird, a window opens on the latest FireFox I used prevously; the one on the other desktop I used last. I have to hunt down in which desktop it opened by going to each desktop and activate it. This also happens when I open an OpenOffice document or calc file with konqueror. Closing all apps on the desktops before going to another desktop defeats the purpose of having different desktops - or have I missed the rational behind different desktops. Is it a bug or a feature?
We think alike. I have eight virtual desktops and each has a specific purpose.
Assuming you're using KDE:
Two things are available to help you realize this kind of organization:
1) You can move individual windows or all of a given application's windows to a different desktop either via the window's menu (right-click the window titlebar) or via a taskbar icon.
Does this work in KDE4?. It took me forever just to find the pager and how to set up multiple desktops in the dumbed down KDE4. -- ----------JSA--------- Sig line deleted for the humor impaired. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 12:38, John Andersen wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Randall R Schulz wrote:
...
Assuming you're using KDE:
Two things are available to help you realize this kind of organization:
1) You can move individual windows or all of a given application's windows to a different desktop either via the window's menu (right-click the window titlebar) or via a taskbar icon.
Does this work in KDE4?.
I don't know. I haven't yet performed an openSUSE 11.0 installation.
It took me forever just to find the pager and how to set up multiple desktops in the dumbed down KDE4.
Originally, I was eager to try KDE 4, assuming it was everything KDE3 was and more, but after all the Sturm und Drang here a while back, I think I'll just stick with the devil I know for the time being. Actually, I love KDE, and while I'm surely not the most sophisticated user, I do exploit several of its fancier features. In particular, the window tuning is something I use extensively and (without meaning to imply it's not possible in KDE 4 since as I said, I don't know), I am simply and completely unwilling to give up this capability. As rule, I'm just very, very picky about how my computer interface behaves, and I tend to exploit just about any affordance it gives me to customize, control and tweak its appearance and behavior. Thus, I'm naturally loathe to go backward in this regard.
-- ----------JSA--------- Sig line deleted for the humor impaired. I still don't get it.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-07-23 at 20:35 +0200, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
what is beginning to be quite annoying is working with different Desktops. I have different working groups organised on a desktop each. I often have OpenOffice Writer, Calc and Firefox open on various desktops. When I open up a link on Desktop 1 in Thunderbird, a window opens on the latest FireFox I used prevously; the one on the other desktop I used last. I have to hunt down in which desktop it opened by going to each desktop and activate it. This also happens when I open an OpenOffice document or calc file with konqueror. Closing all apps on the desktops before going to another desktop defeats the purpose of having different desktops - or have I missed the rational behind different desktops. Is it a bug or a feature?
:-( All
Bug. And you should report each them to Bugzilla, but they are probably reported already. I know because I have reported a few. Reporting again helps then to gauge how we feel about this bug and how many of us are bothered by it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIh5J7tTMYHG2NR9URArPgAJ9gY1iUiTBHX0BHhV9GcDoLZzX8XACgh94a QsqDag1VLwWCwObggbOKFpM= =qc6N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 11:35, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
Hi all,
what is beginning to be quite annoying is working with different Desktops. I have different working groups organised on a desktop each. I often have OpenOffice Writer, Calc and Firefox open on various desktops. When I open up a link on Desktop 1 in Thunderbird, a window opens on the latest FireFox I used prevously; the one on the other desktop I used last. I have to hunt down in which desktop it opened by going to each desktop and activate it. This also happens when I open an OpenOffice document or calc file with konqueror. Closing all apps on the desktops before going to another desktop defeats the purpose of having different desktops - or have I missed the rational behind different desktops. Is it a bug or a feature?
We think alike. I have eight virtual desktops and each has a specific purpose.
Assuming you're using KDE:
Two things are available to help you realize this kind of organization:
1) You can move individual windows or all of a given application's windows to a different desktop either via the window's menu (right-click the window titlebar) or via a taskbar icon. OK, have done it before. 2) You can impose pervasive preferences such as resident desktop, size, maximized state, exclusion from the ALT+Tab switcher, or taskbar.
The interface for (2) is arcane (Right-click on titlebar -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings) to activate a dialog where you can define what is in effect a rule for constraining or modifying the window's behavior.
The first two tabs in the resulting dialog, "Window" and "Window Extra" are used to determine to which windows the rule will apply. The other three tabs, "Geometry," "Preferences" and "Workarounds" are the special behaviors that will be imposed when a window meets the criteria in the first two windows.
You'll have to experiment with these to get the selectivity and behavior you want, but it's a very powerful scheme once you get the hang of it.
I did that, and it has changed behaviour. Will have to see what the effects are. There seems to be no difference between "Special Windows Settings" and Special Application Settings" in KWin of KDE 3.5.7 Release 72.9. Both open the same box in the "Geometry" tab. "Special Application Settings" seems useful to keep the mail client on one Desktop with Geometry -> Desktop -> Force -> 1. Mail. It always opens on Desktop 1 (which I called Mail), irrespective of the desktop I start it in. Links in Firefox seems now to open in the same Desktop where the link is clicked in the mail client on Desktop 1, ... so far. It also sometimes behaved correctly before, but I cannot at will reproduce the scenario where it starts to misbehave. It just sometimes seem to happen. Will try to be more observant now, till I can find the process that produces the mischief.
You can also find a centralized editor for these rules in the KDE Control Center: Desktop -> Window-Specific Settings.
What seems to be important is Focus (saw it in Focus & Focus Policy in the KDE Help centre). It is only relevant per Desktop, which does not address my problem I think. I will observe further. I'm still working out what "(Default) Disable focus stealing prevention for XV" could mean in "Window-Specific Settings- Control Centre". It has "^xv .*" in the Window class (application type), and in Workarounds has marked "Focus stealing prevention" on Force and None. How does focus get stolen?
:-(
Al
Randall Schulz
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2008-07-23 at 20:35 +0200, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
what is beginning to be quite annoying is working with different Desktops. I have different working groups organised on a desktop each. I often have OpenOffice Writer, Calc and Firefox open on various desktops. When I open up a link on Desktop 1 in Thunderbird, a window opens on the latest FireFox I used prevously; the one on the other desktop I used last. I have to hunt down in which desktop it opened by going to each desktop and activate it. This also happens when I open an OpenOffice document or calc file with konqueror. Closing all apps on the desktops before going to another desktop defeats the purpose of having different desktops - or have I missed the rational behind different desktops. Is it a bug or a feature?
Bug.
And you should report each them to Bugzilla, but they are probably reported already. I know because I have reported a few. Reporting again helps then to gauge how we feel about this bug and how many of us are bothered by it.
AFAIK, Firefox has preference settings for which window should be used to open links from other programs and suchlike. So until those preferences are set appropriately I think talk of bugs is premature. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 11:35, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
Hi all,
what is beginning to be quite annoying is working with different Desktops. I have different working groups organised on a desktop each. I often have OpenOffice Writer, Calc and Firefox open on various desktops. When I open up a link on Desktop 1 in Thunderbird, a window opens on the latest FireFox I used prevously; the one on the other desktop I used last. I have to hunt down in which desktop it opened by going to each desktop and activate it. This also happens when I open an OpenOffice document or calc file with konqueror. Closing all apps on the desktops before going to another desktop defeats the purpose of having different desktops - or have I missed the rational behind different desktops. Is it a bug or a feature?
We think alike. I have eight virtual desktops and each has a specific purpose.
Assuming you're using KDE:
Two things are available to help you realize this kind of organization:
1) You can move individual windows or all of a given application's windows to a different desktop either via the window's menu (right-click the window titlebar) or via a taskbar icon.
OK, have done it before.
2) You can impose pervasive preferences such as resident desktop, size, maximized state, exclusion from the ALT+Tab switcher, or taskbar.
The interface for (2) is arcane (Right-click on titlebar -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings) to activate a dialog where you can define what is in effect a rule for constraining or modifying the window's behavior.
The first two tabs in the resulting dialog, "Window" and "Window Extra" are used to determine to which windows the rule will apply. The other three tabs, "Geometry," "Preferences" and "Workarounds" are the special behaviors that will be imposed when a window meets the criteria in the first two windows.
You'll have to experiment with these to get the selectivity and behavior you want, but it's a very powerful scheme once you get the hang of it.
I did that, and it has changed behaviour. Will have to see what the effects are. There seems to be no difference between "Special Windows Settings" and Special Application Settings" in KWin of KDE 3.5.7 Release 72.9. Both open the same box in the "Geometry" tab. "Special Application Settings" seems useful to keep the mail client on one Desktop with Geometry -> Desktop -> Force -> 1. Mail. It always opens on Desktop 1 (which I called Mail), irrespective of the desktop I start it in. Links in Firefox seems now to open in the same Desktop where the link is clicked in the mail client on Desktop 1, ... so far. It also sometimes behaved correctly before, but I cannot at will reproduce the scenario where it starts to misbehave. It just sometimes seem to happen. Will try to be more observant now, till I can find the process that produces the mischief.
You can also find a centralized editor for these rules in the KDE Control Center: Desktop -> Window-Specific Settings.
What seems to be important is Focus (saw it in Focus & Focus Policy in the KDE Help centre). It is only relevant per Desktop, which does not address my problem I think. I will observe further. I'm still working out what "(Default) Disable focus stealing prevention for XV" could mean in "Window-Specific Settings- Control Centre". It has "^xv .*" in the Window class (application type), and in Workarounds has marked "Focus stealing prevention" on Force and None. How does focus get stolen?
:-(
Al
Randall Schulz
:-|
Al
Reporting back after a while. With openSUSE 11.1 KDE 3.5.10 Rel.21.11 (Kernel: Linux ~ 2.6.27.25-0.1-default #1 SMP 2009-07-01 15:37:09 +0200 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux) the problem seems to have persisted. If I can recall correctly, the links in Thunderbird opened in the same desktop window the link was clicked on. Now it is anyone's guess which desktop it opens up in. Describing this behaviour in the Firefox mail group had nil response; most are in Windoze or never seem to use different Desktops. Will this die a silent death with KDE 3x, assuming all go to KDE4? Does anyone have a solution to get the Desktop behaviour of KDE 3x to always open links in the Dekstop I am in at the moment; not somewhere where it has to be hunted down for. I'd hate to move on to another desktop manager; been with KDE such a long time ... :-) Al -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 July 2009 07:30:03 LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
Reporting back after a while. With openSUSE 11.1 KDE 3.5.10 Rel.21.11 (Kernel: Linux ~ 2.6.27.25-0.1-default #1 SMP 2009-07-01 15:37:09 +0200 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux) the problem seems to have persisted. If I can recall correctly, the links in Thunderbird opened in the same desktop window the link was clicked on. Now it is anyone's guess which desktop it opens up in. Describing this behaviour in the Firefox mail group had nil response; most are in Windoze or never seem to use different Desktops.
Will this die a silent death with KDE 3x, assuming all go to KDE4? Does anyone have a solution to get the Desktop behaviour of KDE 3x to always open links in the Dekstop I am in at the moment; not somewhere where it has to be hunted down for. I'd hate to move on to another desktop manager; been with KDE such a long time ...
It's strange, but my experience has been the opposite of yours. I'm currently using KDE 4.2.4 but I had 8 desktops when I used KDE 3. I also use Kmail, not Thunderbird. When I clicked on a link in Kmail, it would bring Firefox to the same desktop as Kmail was running on, and open the link. I prefer to keep Firefox on its own desktop, and it took me some time to work out how to do that. So, what I'm saying is that what you want is the default behaviour, in my experience. Are you sure you haven't changed something in the Desktop configuration? Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.1, Kernel 2.6.27.25-0.1-default, KDE 4.2.4 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 4GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9200GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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