On Saturday 25 November 2006 11:50, Mike Noble wrote:

You said Sendmail, but SuSe uses Postfix (at least on my machine using 10.1).

Both are supported. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-11-25 at 13:55 -0800, Mike Noble wrote:

I realize that both are supported, but Postfix is installed by default.

We can change the default, and the OP has a problem with sendmail. Even if postfix is easier, that does not help him. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFaNfJtTMYHG2NR9URAsIrAJ42NfRZHDXdJ0getNvse/1lOUJotwCfQusG 2GYbY/V/ElAxCDO/mqrcV/s= =YWi+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Saturday 2006-11-25 at 13:55 -0800, Mike Noble wrote:

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I realize that both are supported, but Postfix is installed by default.

We can change the default, and the OP has a problem with sendmail. Even if postfix is easier, that does not help him.

I always advocate Postfix as the better alternative, but Carlos is right. This isn't helping the OP.

Actually I hate Postfix and have used Sendmail for over 15 years. What I was trying to say was that maybe he has them confused. I did send the OP a direct reply (forgot reply to was not set to list) telling him make changes to sendmail. I now think it is time to drop this part as it is not helping anybody. Mike

Perhaps the OP should try to use the MTA configuration module in yast. Sorry, can't give any specific help for sendmail, though I found this URL: http://docs.hp.com/en/5991-7401/ch03s07.html#sendmail-sect

Sandy

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Saturday 2006-11-25 at 17:37 -0800, Mike Noble wrote:

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Actually I hate Postfix and have used Sendmail for over 15 years. What I was trying to say was that maybe he has them confused. I did send the OP a direct reply (forgot reply to was not set to list) telling him make changes to sendmail.

Could you post those changes here, just for the record? Even if I don't use sendmail now, I like to learn. :-)

One of the best places to information about sendmail is to go to: http://sendmail.org/ To setup DNS for private address space, you can find at: http://sendmail.org/tips/private-dns/ Of course private address space was never mentioned, I'm just assuming that he does not have valid IP and that all internal IP addresses are being NAT'd to a valid IP address on the internet. Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2006-11-26 at 11:15 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote:

Judging from the hostname "www" that he used he is probably trying to send mail from a webserver using the local Sendmail installation. So he probably has an official IP (and hopefully correctly set up dns and reverse dns).

Yes, that's right. We told him (in the Spanish list) to check using http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=tudominio.es. He had a problem with the reverse dns and said later that had spoken with his ISP and solved that. So that side should be correct. Another time he mentioned being able to receive emails, so that means he does have an MX register. Pity reliable crystal balls are so expensive nowdays ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFaYDhtTMYHG2NR9URAp5kAJ9lYF41JIzMw3eylqiNT+XhNyF5IQCdF1+b JBBS2fDRxl1Gkm6V5NX0z/w= =o2/A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

hi, John, this is the solution: i found the answer to my problem in the configuration file sendmail.cf

# my official domain name

# ... define this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your domain #Dj$w.Foo.COMUncomment the macro and include the fully qualified host name.

The entry is similar to this for penguin.southpole.com:

i use:

Djwww.mydomain.com

restart the sendmail and that´s all.

this solved the problem.

thanks to all

hanks to the list

btw

Pipiriz ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: "Carlos E. R." Cc: "OpenSuSE-en" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] can anyone help to configure a fully-qualified hostname in sendmail?

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The Sunday 2006-11-26 at 11:15 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote:

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Judging from the hostname "www" that he used he is probably trying to send mail from a webserver using the local Sendmail installation. So he probably has an official IP (and hopefully correctly set up dns and reverse dns).

Yes, that's right. We told him (in the Spanish list) to check using http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=tudominio.es. He had a problem with the reverse dns and said later that had spoken with his ISP and solved that. So that side should be correct. Another time he mentioned being able to receive emails, so that means he does have an MX register.

Pity reliable crystal balls are so expensive nowdays ;-)

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

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I wish he would have posted his solution. That would be good to know.

John

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Since I don't use any mailer at home, I have removed postfix and have installed sendmail. This will allow me to see how suse uses sendmail (or modified from original), will also set it up to use my ISP smtp server as a smart host. Nobody will be able tell you what you need to do as each site is different. But at least I will have a better idea of what you need to do. Mike Sandy Drobic wrote:

Mike Noble wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Saturday 2006-11-25 at 17:37 -0800, Mike Noble wrote:

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Actually I hate Postfix and have used Sendmail for over 15 years. What I was trying to say was that maybe he has them confused. I did send the OP a direct reply (forgot reply to was not set to list) telling him make changes to sendmail. Could you post those changes here, just for the record? Even if I don't use sendmail now, I like to learn. :-)

One of the best places to information about sendmail is to go to: http://sendmail.org/

I was also hoping for a bit more specific advice. For Postfix the procedure would be:

servername: www domain: example.com

as root: postconf -e "myhostname = www.example.com" postfix reload

If you've got some strange setup where you don't want to use the hostname as HELO, you can set the helo name of the server with:

postconf -e "smtp_helo_name = mail.example.com" postfix reload

The default of smtp_helo_name is $myhostname: # postconf -d smtp_helo_name smtp_helo_name = $myhostname

So usually it's not neccessary.

I tried to find the information on the sendmail.org site, but didn't find anything useful within a few minutes. Do you have a more specific link for basic Sendmail setup including hostname?

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To setup DNS for private address space, you can find at: http://sendmail.org/tips/private-dns/

Of course private address space was never mentioned, I'm just assuming that he does not have valid IP and that all internal IP addresses are being NAT'd to a valid IP address on the internet.

Judging from the hostname "www" that he used he is probably trying to send mail from a webserver using the local Sendmail installation. So he probably has an official IP (and hopefully correctly set up dns and reverse dns).

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When I set the machine up, I set the hostname to gandalf.cox.net. cox.net is the domain of my ISP. Mike Sandy Drobic wrote:

Mike Noble wrote:

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Since I don't use any mailer at home, I have removed postfix and have installed sendmail. This will allow me to see how suse uses sendmail (or modified from original), will also set it up to use my ISP smtp server as a smart host. Nobody will be able tell you what you need to do as each site is different. But at least I will have a better idea of what you need to do.

Please post the neccessary steps to set the FQDN hostname in Sendmail, so other people will be able to find the solution in the archives.

There are much less people using Sendmail here than people using Postfix, so it's not easy to get help for Sendmail here.

The steps I mentioned to configure Postfix will work on any system, by the way, regardless which distribution you use. I have to admit that I do not configure Postfix the Suse way, I simply do not understand the configure process in yast.

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Depending on the number of machines you might want to setup a forwarding only DNS server. This tells you how to do it. http://sendmail.org/tips/private-dns/ Mike Sandy Drobic wrote:

Mike Noble wrote:

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When I set the machine up, I set the hostname to gandalf.cox.net. cox.net is the domain of my ISP.

So the output of `hostname -f` is used as the FQDN by sendmail? Well, that should be enough to get the original poster on the right track.

How would you set up the hostname for Sendmail, when you are using a private domain like "myserver.athome"?

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If he is trying to send from his machine, the problem is that it does not have an MX record. Here is a dig for www.domino.com and then for the mx record. You will see there is no mx record. mgnoble@gandalf:~> dig www.domino.com ; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> www.domino.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 37206 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.domino.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.domino.com. 600 IN A 83.231.140.13 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: domino.com. 151758 IN NS ns1.domino.com. domino.com. 151758 IN NS ns.domino.com. ;; Query time: 175 msec ;; SERVER: 68.6.16.25#53(68.6.16.25) ;; WHEN: Sun Nov 26 16:18:51 2006 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 83 mgnoble@gandalf:~> dig www.domino.com mx ; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> www.domino.com mx ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 7081 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.domino.com. IN MX ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: domino.com. 600 IN SOA ns.domino.com. hostmaster.domino.com. 2106052508 3600 600 1800000 3600 ;; Query time: 171 msec ;; SERVER: 68.6.16.25#53(68.6.16.25) ;; WHEN: Sun Nov 26 16:19:14 2006 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 82 Mike Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Sunday 2006-11-26 at 21:38 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote:

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So the output of `hostname -f` is used as the FQDN by sendmail? Well, that should be enough to get the original poster on the right track.

No, I don't think so.

He said in the Spanish list - I'm starting to "hate" having to go searching in my archive instead of him speaking up - that:

|> si ejecuto hostname aparece "www" |> si ejecuto hostname -f aparece www.dominio.com

Ie, he gets "www" for the command 'hostname' and "www.dominio.com" for 'hostname -f'. Also, I know he is using an adsl modem(?) router, giving his server an IP in the range 192.168.0.x. I have to assume he (the router) is using nat.

He'd better clarify this himself.

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How would you set up the hostname for Sendmail, when you are using a private domain like "myserver.athome"?

I believe that Yast would set that correctly; alternatively, you can edit /etc/sysconfig/sendmail and run SuSEconfig afterwards. I did that when sendmail was the default in SuSE and it worked fine without having to touch the real sendmail configuration. But I don't remember the details.

With postfix, we can let Yast do an initial configuration, then forget Yast and do it ourselves: the config is humanly readable ;-)

However, I'm not going to install sendmail to check. But looking inside the rpm, I see there is a '/sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.sendmail' file. Let's see what I can learn.

Ah:

# Know about FQHOSTNAME test -s $r/etc/HOSTNAME && read -t 1 FQHOSTNAME < $r/etc/HOSTNAME

I think that setting is what it will be using.

I see it reads some configuration files:

/etc/rc.config /etc/sysconfig/mail /etc/sysconfig/sendmail /etc/sysconfig/amavis

But I don't see where it gets the default '/etc/sysconfig/sendmail' from. Ah, from '/var/adm/fillup-templates/*'. There are two files there: 'sysconfig.mail-sendmail' and 'sysconfig.sendmail'.

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Searching to see where the variable 'FQHOSTNAME' is defined, I see a reference in '/etc/sysconfig/apache':

# If empty ("") it defaults to root@$FQHOSTNAME. FQHOSTNAME is set in # /etc/sysconfig/network/config.

But I don't see it there - perhaps I understood it wrong.

Mmmm...

I'm reading the 'sysconfig.sendmail' file, but I don't get it. Perhaps it is 'MASQUERADE_DOMAINS'.

Dunno.

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Hi, give me a break, the problem is solved. I have an mx entry configured correctly. I have a public and static ip address I have a registered domain name. My dns is configured correctly. Only the problem was a bad configuration in the sendmail.cf file. This is the change I was made in this file. thanks again.

thanks Sandy, in the page

http://docs.hp.com/en/5991-7401/ch03s07.html#sendmail-sect

i found the answer to my problem in the configuration file sendmail.cf

# my official domain name

# ... define this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your domain #Dj$w.Foo.COMUncomment the macro and include the fully qualified host name.

The entry is similar to this for penguin.southpole.com:

i use:

Djwww.mydomain.com

restart the sendmail and that´s all.

this solved the problem.

thanks to all

hanks to the list

btw

Pipiriz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos E. R." To: "OpenSuSE-en" Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] can anyone help to configure a fully-qualified hostname in sendmail?

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The Sunday 2006-11-26 at 16:22 -0800, Mike Noble wrote:

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If he is trying to send from his machine, the problem is that it does not have an MX record.

Here is a dig for www.domino.com and then for the mx record. You will see there is no mx record.

X'-)

Sorry. It was "www.dominio.com", which is our way of saying "www.somedomain.com". I don't know his real domain, but he said it was correct, and I think he is right in that (he is receiving email, I understand, so he must have an MX entry).

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On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 07:08:38PM -0600, pipiriz wrote:

Hi, give me a break, the problem is solved.

I have an mx entry configured correctly.

I have a public and static ip address

I have a registered domain name.

My dns is configured correctly.

Only the problem was a bad configuration in the sendmail.cf file.

This is the change I was made in this file.

Don't touch sendmail.cf nor submit.cf but use the configuration with /etc/sysconfig/mail and /etc/sysconfig/sendmail togther with `SuSEconfig --module sendmail' _OR_ disable SuSEconfig within /etc/sysconfig/suseconfig if you're doing all by hand (without using YaST and/or SuSEconfig anymore). If you're are touching files like sendmail.cf SuSEconfig will not touch such file anymore due MD% checksum comparision. And even if you change sendmail.cf and/or submit.cf for you're own you should use /etc/mail/linux.mc and/or /etc/mail/linux.submit.mc as starting point to use the M4 macros for generating sendmail.cf and/or submit.cf ... simply to be sure not to run over a removed TAB with space within a .cf file :)) Werner -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-11-27 at 12:30 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote:

Just to clarify a few general things about SMTP:

I'm saving these notes ;-)

- the HELO string that the sending server is using is not derived from DNS, it's usually the hostname that is configured locally on the machine. RFC 2821 says, this string has to be a resolvable FQDN for a domain/host.

Fortunately (for me) not many enforce this.

- a sending server does not neccessarily need a MX record, only correct A record and reverse DNS

Unless some one enforces it on the receiving end as an antispam measure, I guess :-?

- the MX record is used to announce servers that will accept mail for a domain, not neccessarily server that will send for a domain.

- if the server is both sending and receiving mails for a domain, then all records (MX, A, reverse DNS) are neccessary.

- if no MX record is set for a domain, mail will be sent to the A record of that domain. Though you should set a MX record.

I think that it is usually rejected as domain must exist or similar message, but again, that may be an antispam measure. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFatD3tTMYHG2NR9URAr6oAKCH4aPtsatCJxyOJR4r12XBtlTJ6QCfVptH O3KzoXxG4m8Sd1pfJrMB+J4= =LNdn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I installed sendmail and have sent myself email messages which went to my ISP first. Suse has done a great job in using Sysconfig Editor via yast, just choose network - mail - sendmail. This is where I set the SENDMAIL_SMARTHOST to point to my ISP smtp server. Modified the /etc/mail/aliases file to send root and my mail to my ISP (don't want to keep it on the machine). Mike Sandy Drobic wrote:

Mike Noble wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Saturday 2006-11-25 at 17:37 -0800, Mike Noble wrote:

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Actually I hate Postfix and have used Sendmail for over 15 years. What I was trying to say was that maybe he has them confused. I did send the OP a direct reply (forgot reply to was not set to list) telling him make changes to sendmail. Could you post those changes here, just for the record? Even if I don't use sendmail now, I like to learn. :-)

One of the best places to information about sendmail is to go to: http://sendmail.org/

I was also hoping for a bit more specific advice. For Postfix the procedure would be:

servername: www domain: example.com

as root: postconf -e "myhostname = www.example.com" postfix reload

If you've got some strange setup where you don't want to use the hostname as HELO, you can set the helo name of the server with:

postconf -e "smtp_helo_name = mail.example.com" postfix reload

The default of smtp_helo_name is $myhostname: # postconf -d smtp_helo_name smtp_helo_name = $myhostname

So usually it's not neccessary.

I tried to find the information on the sendmail.org site, but didn't find anything useful within a few minutes. Do you have a more specific link for basic Sendmail setup including hostname?

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To setup DNS for private address space, you can find at: http://sendmail.org/tips/private-dns/

Of course private address space was never mentioned, I'm just assuming that he does not have valid IP and that all internal IP addresses are being NAT'd to a valid IP address on the internet.

Judging from the hostname "www" that he used he is probably trying to send mail from a webserver using the local Sendmail installation. So he probably has an official IP (and hopefully correctly set up dns and reverse dns).

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Mike Noble wrote:

Sandy Drobic wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Saturday 2006-11-25 at 13:55 -0800, Mike Noble wrote:

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I realize that both are supported, but Postfix is installed by default. We can change the default, and the OP has a problem with sendmail. Even if postfix is easier, that does not help him. I always advocate Postfix as the better alternative, but Carlos is right. This isn't helping the OP.

Actually I hate Postfix and have used Sendmail for over 15 years. What I was trying to say was that maybe he has them confused.

Agreed, he did sound a bit baffled. (^-°) Glad to see that some people here are using Sendmail and are willing to offer help. Sandy -- List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 12:54:47AM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Saturday 2006-11-25 at 13:55 -0800, Mike Noble wrote:

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I realize that both are supported, but Postfix is installed by default.

We can change the default, and the OP has a problem with sendmail. Even if postfix is easier, that does not help him.

Guess: This because the DNS of the network isn't configured or not configured in the correct way. First of all the system requires a name (normally without any domain name part). Then the system requires for each network a Full Qualified Domain Name (please note that the former name can be part of the FQDN but can also an other host name and can also be different for each network). At last the YP domain name has nothing todo with the DNS domain name even if normally identical for practial reasons. If postfix or sendmail do not know about the FQDN of the networks accessible then it have to be configured. This can be done by using a DNS server of the appropiate network or within the configuration of postfix or sendmail. Werner -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org