We are in the process of deciding if we will move from doing traditional openSUSE installs (e.g., 13.1, 13.2, etc via our home-cooked KIWI OEM images) or if we should move to Tumbleweed (perhaps also via a KIWI OEM image). Our biggest question is how often one should do an update to Tumbleweed once it is installed. More specifically, how long one can wait between updates? I know that is a tricky question. But I am guessing that there are some stated goals in the Tumbleweed project related to this?
In our use case, openSUSE is installed in road vehicles that do not spend time in the office. Occasionally a vehicle is in a state where we can do an update. Either it is in the garage for other maintenance or is between contracts (our favorite time to do upgrades). This can occur roughly every 6 - 8 months. That would mean that we would only update Tumbleweed with that frequency. Or perhaps longer.
Our current approach is to update to a new openSUSE every 2 years or so. Then, as each vehicle is available, it gets a new install. The advantage of using Tumbleweed, even at the 6-8 month update frequency, is that all the system settings are kept. When doing a destructive install more hand work is required and thus more errors can occur. Doing a Tumbleweed update should lessen the chance of an error because of re-installation. It is one of the reasons we update as seldom as we do. Increasing the frequency of updates allows us to keep our system more similar. Which is a good thing.
Opinions?
On 03/02/2015 05:07 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
We are in the process of deciding if we will move from doing traditional openSUSE installs (e.g., 13.1, 13.2, etc via our home-cooked KIWI OEM images) or if we should move to Tumbleweed (perhaps also via a KIWI OEM image). Our biggest question is how often one should do an update to Tumbleweed once it is installed. More specifically, how long one can wait between updates? I know that is a tricky question. But I am guessing that there are some stated goals in the Tumbleweed project related to this?
In our use case, openSUSE is installed in road vehicles that do not spend time in the office. Occasionally a vehicle is in a state where we can do an update. Either it is in the garage for other maintenance or is between contracts (our favorite time to do upgrades). This can occur roughly every 6 - 8 months. That would mean that we would only update Tumbleweed with that frequency. Or perhaps longer.
Our current approach is to update to a new openSUSE every 2 years or so. Then, as each vehicle is available, it gets a new install. The advantage of using Tumbleweed, even at the 6-8 month update frequency, is that all the system settings are kept. When doing a destructive install more hand work is required and thus more errors can occur. Doing a Tumbleweed update should lessen the chance of an error because of re-installation. It is one of the reasons we update as seldom as we do. Increasing the frequency of updates allows us to keep our system more similar. Which is a good thing.
Opinions?
As no one else has offered one...
If this is a business envionment DON'T!
TW at times can be buggered up after an update (dup).
Being sometimes a bit messed up is of course also a concern. And dealing with fixing those things can be more time consuming than doing a clean install from a good release.
Maybe I should see how best to migrate settings from an old install into a new one. Or at least the settings for the things we configure. That may ultimately be less work.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE suse-list3@bout-tyme.net wrote:
On 03/02/2015 05:07 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
We are in the process of deciding if we will move from doing traditional openSUSE installs (e.g., 13.1, 13.2, etc via our home-cooked KIWI OEM images) or if we should move to Tumbleweed (perhaps also via a KIWI OEM image). Our biggest question is how often one should do an update to Tumbleweed once it is installed. More specifically, how long one can wait between updates? I know that is a tricky question. But I am guessing that there are some stated goals in the Tumbleweed project related to this?
In our use case, openSUSE is installed in road vehicles that do not spend time in the office. Occasionally a vehicle is in a state where we can do an update. Either it is in the garage for other maintenance or is between contracts (our favorite time to do upgrades). This can occur roughly every 6 - 8 months. That would mean that we would only update Tumbleweed with that frequency. Or perhaps longer.
Our current approach is to update to a new openSUSE every 2 years or so. Then, as each vehicle is available, it gets a new install. The advantage of using Tumbleweed, even at the 6-8 month update frequency, is that all the system settings are kept. When doing a destructive install more hand work is required and thus more errors can occur. Doing a Tumbleweed update should lessen the chance of an error because of re-installation. It is one of the reasons we update as seldom as we do. Increasing the frequency of updates allows us to keep our system more similar. Which is a good thing.
Opinions?
As no one else has offered one...
If this is a business envionment DON'T!
TW at times can be buggered up after an update (dup).
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Le 02/03/2015 11:07, Roger Oberholtzer a écrit :
Opinions?
this led me to a side question: in the past, for each new distro version, I understood there was also a new tumbelweed one. Is this still the case? Is it really possible to zypper dup tumbelweed without wondering of the current openSUSE distro?
thanks jdd
* jdd jdd@dodin.org [03-02-15 11:16]:
this led me to a side question: in the past, for each new distro version, I understood there was also a new tumbelweed one. Is this still the case? Is it really possible to zypper dup tumbelweed without wondering of the current openSUSE distro?
Yes, the "distro" is the latest "snapshot" released, ie:
VERSION="20150227 (Tumbleweed)" VERSION_ID="20150227" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE 20150227 (Tumbleweed) (x86_64)"
В Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:00:09 -0500 Patrick Shanahan paka@opensuse.org пишет:
- jdd jdd@dodin.org [03-02-15 11:16]:
this led me to a side question: in the past, for each new distro version, I understood there was also a new tumbelweed one. Is this still the case? Is it really possible to zypper dup tumbelweed without wondering of the current openSUSE distro?
Yes, the "distro" is the latest "snapshot" released, ie:
VERSION="20150227 (Tumbleweed)" VERSION_ID="20150227" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE 20150227 (Tumbleweed) (x86_64)"
You probably misunderstood the question. Given that usually only update from previous release is considered supported, I'd expect that update to TW from the most current release should work; update to TW from any earlier release has the same problematic of jumping over release.
Le 02/03/2015 18:05, Andrei Borzenkov a écrit :
to TW from the most current release should work; update to TW from any earlier release has the same problematic of jumping over release.
so a tumbleweed user have no more to deal with openSUSE versions. It's good :-)
jdd
On 03/02/2015 12:05 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:00:09 -0500 Patrick Shanahan paka@opensuse.org пишет:
- jdd jdd@dodin.org [03-02-15 11:16]:
this led me to a side question: in the past, for each new distro version, I understood there was also a new tumbelweed one. Is this still the case? Is it really possible to zypper dup tumbelweed without wondering of the current openSUSE distro?
Yes, the "distro" is the latest "snapshot" released, ie:
VERSION="20150227 (Tumbleweed)" VERSION_ID="20150227" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE 20150227 (Tumbleweed) (x86_64)"
You probably misunderstood the question. Given that usually only update from previous release is considered supported, I'd expect that update to TW from the most current release should work; update to TW from any earlier release has the same problematic of jumping over release.
Yes and no to all the above. TW now has it's own repos (distribution) to install from just as openSuSE 13.2 has it's own repos, Thus it is not longer tied to the "current" release.
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE suse-list3@bout-tyme.net wrote:
On 03/02/2015 12:05 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:00:09 -0500 Patrick Shanahan paka@opensuse.org пишет:
- jdd jdd@dodin.org [03-02-15 11:16]:
this led me to a side question: in the past, for each new distro version, I understood there was also a new tumbelweed one. Is this still the case? Is it really possible to zypper dup tumbelweed without wondering of the current openSUSE distro?
Yes, the "distro" is the latest "snapshot" released, ie:
VERSION="20150227 (Tumbleweed)" VERSION_ID="20150227" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE 20150227 (Tumbleweed) (x86_64)"
You probably misunderstood the question. Given that usually only update from previous release is considered supported, I'd expect that update to TW from the most current release should work; update to TW from any earlier release has the same problematic of jumping over release.
Yes and no to all the above. TW now has it's own repos (distribution) to install from just as openSuSE 13.2 has it's own repos, Thus it is not longer tied to the "current" release.
Every openSUSE release has own repos to install from. It does not mean the question "can I update from release A to release B" is invalid.
On 03/03/2015 09:03 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE suse-list3@bout-tyme.net wrote:
On 03/02/2015 12:05 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:00:09 -0500 Patrick Shanahan paka@opensuse.org пишет:
- jdd jdd@dodin.org [03-02-15 11:16]:
this led me to a side question: in the past, for each new distro version, I understood there was also a new tumbelweed one. Is this still the case? Is it really possible to zypper dup tumbelweed without wondering of the current openSUSE distro?
Yes, the "distro" is the latest "snapshot" released, ie:
VERSION="20150227 (Tumbleweed)" VERSION_ID="20150227" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE 20150227 (Tumbleweed) (x86_64)"
You probably misunderstood the question. Given that usually only update from previous release is considered supported, I'd expect that update to TW from the most current release should work; update to TW from any earlier release has the same problematic of jumping over release.
Yes and no to all the above. TW now has it's own repos (distribution) to install from just as openSuSE 13.2 has it's own repos, Thus it is not longer tied to the "current" release.
Every openSUSE release has own repos to install from. It does not mean the question "can I update from release A to release B" is invalid.
I didn't say it was. "in the past, for each new distro
version, I understood there was also a new tumbelweed one." This
part is no longer valid. But you can _migrate_ *from* openSuSE *to* TW. And TW has no release version as it is a rolling release.
* Ken Schneider - openSUSE suse-list3@bout-tyme.net [03-03-15 09:28]:
On 03/03/2015 09:03 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
[...]
Every openSUSE release has own repos to install from. It does not mean the question "can I update from release A to release B" is invalid.
I didn't say it was. "in the past, for each new distro
version, I understood there was also a new tumbelweed one."
This part is no longer valid. But you can _migrate_ *from* openSuSE *to* TW. And TW has no release version as it is a rolling release.
But there *is* a version, it is the dated TW build. And there are probably valid concerns on updating to TW if one tries from greater than one regular openSUSE release, ie: from 12.* to current TW, just the same as trying to update/grade from 12.* to 13.2.
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