[opensuse] Something changed some KDE items which were previously displayed

Basil Chupin

16 Sep 2014 16 Sep '14

06:23

A couple of weeks ago I did the normal 'zypper refresh/patch/up' which completed without (any apparent) problems. However, something was installed or something was replaced which changed the way KDE 4.14.0.x works (or rather now does not work). The first thing which I noticed was that I can no longer right-click on the desktop, select LEAVE>RESTART or SHUT DOWN and have this choice performed. Selecting LEAVE starts to dim the desktop but does not bring up the menu where one can select SHUT DOWN etc - all I end up with is a slightly dimmed screen. There is no way to either RESTART or SHUT DOWN the computer using this method. Clicking on the screen brings it back to its 'original' brightness. A similar thing occurs when one clicks on KICKOFF and selects LEAVE - one cannot Shut Down or Restart. At the moment, the ONLY way (apart from pressing the OFF switch on the computer box) is to open TERMINAL, "login" as root and enter 'HALT -P'. Earlier today I had to go out and, without thinking, did LOCK SCREEN. I could not 'unlock' the screen in the normal way; the mouse was active but that was all. The only way I regained control over the system was to hit the BIG RED BUTTON :-( . One other thing re all this. I have lost the SYSTEM SETTINGS icon/widget/whatever in KICKOFF. It's kapoot, poof, gone.....nowhere to be seen. To get back to "normality" I tried deleting the '~/.kde4' sub-directory but while this regenerates a new ./kde4 all of the above hassles remain :-( . Does anyone know, please, what has to be done to get back to what should be regarded as the "normal" KDE 4.14.0.x situation? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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jdebert

16 Sep 16 Sep

14:49

In case it's relevant: After recent updates qupzilla crashes on floating point exception, error 136, unless a style is explicitly set wth the -style switch gramps no longer uses my colors and always sets the text to black. Since I use dark themes/schemes it is become impossible to use gramps. The gnome3 config util changed. Gone are the usual ways of changing theme and colors. It may be gone completely. I haven't yet found how to do what I used to do. qt settings can no longer be changed except for the styles and those revert to default colors. Very hard on the eyes. Some repos are being left unsigned. The most recent is games, Prior to that were java (as usual), gnome3, oss-updates. Various other oddments coincide with all this and some rather large updates to 12.3 in the recent week or two. jd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

17:36

On 09/15/2014 11:23 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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The first thing which I noticed was that I can no longer right-click on the desktop, select LEAVE>RESTART or SHUT DOWN and have this choice performed. Selecting LEAVE starts to dim the desktop but does not bring up the menu where one can select SHUT DOWN etc - all I end up with is a slightly dimmed screen. There is no way to either RESTART or SHUT DOWN the computer using this method. Clicking on the screen brings it back to its 'original' brightness.

A similar thing occurs when one clicks on KICKOFF and selects LEAVE - one cannot Shut Down or Restart.

At the moment, the ONLY way (apart from pressing the OFF switch on the computer box) is to open TERMINAL, "login" as root and enter 'HALT -P'.

Earlier today I had to go out and, without thinking, did LOCK SCREEN. I could not 'unlock' the screen in the normal way; the mouse was active but that was all. The only way I regained control over the system was to hit the BIG RED BUTTON :-( .

Did you ever solve this? Because I am seeing NONE of these symptoms here. Everything you mention works just fine here with the latest kde upgrades 4.14.0. Are you logged in as another user and tried it? Maybe some part of your account's config got hozed. -- Explain again the part about rm -rf / -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

17 Sep 17 Sep

00:59

On 17/09/14 03:36, John Andersen wrote:

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On 09/15/2014 11:23 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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The first thing which I noticed was that I can no longer right-click on the desktop, select LEAVE>RESTART or SHUT DOWN and have this choice performed. Selecting LEAVE starts to dim the desktop but does not bring up the menu where one can select SHUT DOWN etc - all I end up with is a slightly dimmed screen. There is no way to either RESTART or SHUT DOWN the computer using this method. Clicking on the screen brings it back to its 'original' brightness.

A similar thing occurs when one clicks on KICKOFF and selects LEAVE - one cannot Shut Down or Restart.

At the moment, the ONLY way (apart from pressing the OFF switch on the computer box) is to open TERMINAL, "login" as root and enter 'HALT -P'.

Earlier today I had to go out and, without thinking, did LOCK SCREEN. I could not 'unlock' the screen in the normal way; the mouse was active but that was all. The only way I regained control over the system was to hit the BIG RED BUTTON :-( .

Did you ever solve this?

Because I am seeing NONE of these symptoms here. Everything you mention works just fine here with the latest kde upgrades 4.14.0.

Are you logged in as another user and tried it? Maybe some part of your account's config got hozed.

Good point. One misses the most obvious way of trying to get to the bottom of a problem. I'll login as a new user and see what happens :-) . Thanks. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

04:07

On 17/09/14 03:36, John Andersen wrote:

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On 09/15/2014 11:23 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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The first thing which I noticed was that I can no longer right-click on the desktop, select LEAVE>RESTART or SHUT DOWN and have this choice performed. Selecting LEAVE starts to dim the desktop but does not bring up the menu where one can select SHUT DOWN etc - all I end up with is a slightly dimmed screen. There is no way to either RESTART or SHUT DOWN the computer using this method. Clicking on the screen brings it back to its 'original' brightness.

A similar thing occurs when one clicks on KICKOFF and selects LEAVE - one cannot Shut Down or Restart.

At the moment, the ONLY way (apart from pressing the OFF switch on the computer box) is to open TERMINAL, "login" as root and enter 'HALT -P'.

Earlier today I had to go out and, without thinking, did LOCK SCREEN. I could not 'unlock' the screen in the normal way; the mouse was active but that was all. The only way I regained control over the system was to hit the BIG RED BUTTON :-( .

Did you ever solve this?

Because I am seeing NONE of these symptoms here. Everything you mention works just fine here with the latest kde upgrades 4.14.0.

Are you logged in as another user and tried it? Maybe some part of your account's config got hozed.

Well, I created a new user and logged in but nothing has changed - get identical results. Here are 2 screenshots, one of the Menu in Kickoff http://susepaste.org/38933146 and this one is of the bottom RH of the panel http://susepaste.org/48999297 which looks nothing like I see on my wife's 13.1 system (and on my laptop). Also just discovered another thing which does not work: the above images are in *.png format; I tried to convert them to *.jpg in Dolphin but the attempts were simply ignored. Something very strange going on but I cannot start to even think where to start looking. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

04:36

On 9/16/2014 9:07 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 03:36, John Andersen wrote:

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On 09/15/2014 11:23 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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The first thing which I noticed was that I can no longer right-click on the desktop, select LEAVE>RESTART or SHUT DOWN and have this choice performed. Selecting LEAVE starts to dim the desktop but does not bring up the menu where one can select SHUT DOWN etc - all I end up with is a slightly dimmed screen. There is no way to either RESTART or SHUT DOWN the computer using this method. Clicking on the screen brings it back to its 'original' brightness.

A similar thing occurs when one clicks on KICKOFF and selects LEAVE - one cannot Shut Down or Restart.

At the moment, the ONLY way (apart from pressing the OFF switch on the computer box) is to open TERMINAL, "login" as root and enter 'HALT -P'.

Earlier today I had to go out and, without thinking, did LOCK SCREEN. I could not 'unlock' the screen in the normal way; the mouse was active but that was all. The only way I regained control over the system was to hit the BIG RED BUTTON :-( .

Did you ever solve this?

Because I am seeing NONE of these symptoms here. Everything you mention works just fine here with the latest kde upgrades 4.14.0.

Are you logged in as another user and tried it? Maybe some part of your account's config got hozed.

Well, I created a new user and logged in but nothing has changed - get identical results. Here are 2 screenshots, one of the Menu in Kickoff

http://susepaste.org/38933146

Ok that tells me nothing. Mouse hover on LEAVE or tab over there and see what shows up above. I never use that menu style, always use classic, but I switched to your style and it shows the options when you select the Leave tab. Then, from the options that pop up select what you want. I selected logout, and it did. Have you tried Classic menu style?

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and this one is of the bottom RH of the panel

http://susepaste.org/48999297

Can't help you here, as I do not have that X-on-a-puter symbol in my system. What do you see when you right click on some random location of the desktop. Do you see a LEAVE option there?

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which looks nothing like I see on my wife's 13.1 system (and on my laptop).

Also just discovered another thing which does not work: the above images are in *.png format; I tried to convert them to *.jpg in Dolphin but the attempts were simply ignored.

Something very strange going on but I cannot start to even think where to start looking.

BC

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Basil Chupin

05:26

On 17/09/14 14:36, John Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 9:07 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 03:36, John Andersen wrote:

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On 09/15/2014 11:23 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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The first thing which I noticed was that I can no longer right-click on the desktop, select LEAVE>RESTART or SHUT DOWN and have this choice performed. Selecting LEAVE starts to dim the desktop but does not bring up the menu where one can select SHUT DOWN etc - all I end up with is a slightly dimmed screen. There is no way to either RESTART or SHUT DOWN the computer using this method. Clicking on the screen brings it back to its 'original' brightness.

A similar thing occurs when one clicks on KICKOFF and selects LEAVE - one cannot Shut Down or Restart.

At the moment, the ONLY way (apart from pressing the OFF switch on the computer box) is to open TERMINAL, "login" as root and enter 'HALT -P'.

Earlier today I had to go out and, without thinking, did LOCK SCREEN. I could not 'unlock' the screen in the normal way; the mouse was active but that was all. The only way I regained control over the system was to hit the BIG RED BUTTON :-( . Did you ever solve this?

Because I am seeing NONE of these symptoms here. Everything you mention works just fine here with the latest kde upgrades 4.14.0.

Are you logged in as another user and tried it? Maybe some part of your account's config got hozed. Well, I created a new user and logged in but nothing has changed - get identical results. Here are 2 screenshots, one of the Menu in Kickoff

http://susepaste.org/38933146 Ok that tells me nothing.

Mouse hover on LEAVE or tab over there and see what shows up above. I never use that menu style, always use classic, but I switched to your style and it shows the options when you select the Leave tab. Then, from the options that pop up select what you want. I selected logout, and it did.

See below.

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Have you tried Classic menu style?

I cannot get the Classic menu. I know that I could in the past but no longer. I just get three (3) options: Edit Applications Application Launcher Settings Unlock Widgets

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and this one is of the bottom RH of the panel

http://susepaste.org/48999297 Can't help you here, as I do not have that X-on-a-puter symbol in my system.

What do you see when you right click on some random location of the desktop. Do you see a LEAVE option there?

As I described in my opening post, clicking on the LEAVE option only causes the screen to start dimming..... and the usual menu with the various Leave options does not appear. (Clicking again on the screen simply bring up the brightness of the screen.) In KICKOFF, hovering over the LEAVE icon shows the options like RESTART, SHUT DOWN, SLEEP etc but clicking on any of these icons results in nothing happening - the click is simply ignored. If something in the System Settings got corrupted I cannot check because I do not have the System Settings icon/widget in the KICKOFF menu - see the Suse paste pic above. (I now have 2 new HDDs but before cloning my existing drives it would be nice to know why the above hassle has occurred; if not resolved then I would have to re-install 13.1 on the new HDD - maybe that's the way to go in the final analysis.) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

05:37

On 9/16/2014 10:26 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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f something in the System Settings got corrupted I cannot check because I do not have the System Settings

Alt-F2 type systemsettings hit enter -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

06:16

On 17/09/14 15:37, John Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 10:26 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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f something in the System Settings got corrupted I cannot check because I do not have the System Settings Alt-F2 type systemsettings hit enter

Is something supposed to happen? All I get is a text file with headings- [Applications] [Favorites] [KRunner] [Krunner] [PlasmaRunnerManager] [RecentlyUsed] with a list of items under each heading. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John M Andersen

06:36

On 9/16/2014 11:16 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 15:37, John Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 10:26 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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f something in the System Settings got corrupted I cannot check because I do not have the System Settings Alt-F2 type systemsettings hit enter

Is something supposed to happen? All I get is a text file with headings-

[Applications]

[Favorites]

[KRunner]

[Krunner] [PlasmaRunnerManager]

[RecentlyUsed]

with a list of items under each heading.

BC

You are supposed to see the systems settings screen, the same way you would it that option appeared on your menu. Almost all parts of KDE can be launched by commend line, which is what systemsettings is supposed to do. Your system seems quite broken, and it would seem the best way to fix it at this point would be a forced re-install of KDE. I'd double check your repositories to make sure they are the correct ones for your version. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

18 Sep 18 Sep

07:03

On 17/09/14 16:36, John M Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 11:16 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 15:37, John Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 10:26 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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f something in the System Settings got corrupted I cannot check because I do not have the System Settings Alt-F2 type systemsettings hit enter

Is something supposed to happen? All I get is a text file with headings-

[Applications]

[Favorites]

[KRunner]

[Krunner] [PlasmaRunnerManager]

[RecentlyUsed]

with a list of items under each heading.

BC

You are supposed to see the systems settings screen, the same way you would it that option appeared on your menu. Almost all parts of KDE can be launched by commend line, which is what systemsettings is supposed to do.

Last evening, some 20 hours ago, I did the 'zypper.....' act. There were quite a number of updates to files. After I rebooted the system...... the menu to SHUT DOWN, RESTART, LOCK SCREEN reappeared - and all these options worked! Even Dolphin's feature of CONVERTing graphic files (eg, from *.png to *.jpg) was back! However, there still is no SYSTEM SETTINGS in the Kickoff menu. BUT there is now another unwanted consequence: the little menu which appears in every running application on the top RH to Minimise/Maximise/Close (the v/^/x ) an application is gone! (One of closing any running application is to use the QUIT in FILE in its Menu Bar.)

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Your system seems quite broken,

I feel that it is a combination of factors - and something to do with the alterations to the repo structure and what goes into the repos with the changeover to the use of Factory/Current/ - for want of a better way of describing what is occurring. For this reason........

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and it would seem the best way to fix it at this point would be a forced re-install of KDE.

........would be the way to go for me (especially as I now have the new HDDs) but just in case what you say.......

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I'd double check your repositories to make sure they are the correct ones for your version.

........is the cause of my (sudden, I have to say) hassles, here is a list of my repos which I have enabled (and their Prioriry Levels) which I am using for this installation of 13.1: http://susepaste.org/522679 I would be grateful if you (?anyone) could look at the list and tell me which one(s) are not kosher. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

12:04

On 09/18/2014 03:03 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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However, there still is no SYSTEM SETTINGS in the Kickoff menu.

There isn't on mine and never has been. I always start it from a xterm window.

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Your system seems quite broken,

Possibly; but I'm not sure I see what you are complaining about.

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I'd double check your repositories to make sure they are the correct ones for your version.

........is the cause of my (sudden, I have to say) hassles, here is a list of my repos which I have enabled (and their Prioriry Levels) which I am using for this installation of 13.1:

http://susepaste.org/522679

I would be grateful if you (?anyone) could look at the list and tell me which one(s) are not kosher.

Once upon a time I tried setting priorities to other than "99". It proved more trouble than it was worth! -- The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage. -- Arie De Geus, Planning Coordinator Royal Dutch Shell -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

19 Sep 19 Sep

02:56

On 18/09/14 22:04, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 09/18/2014 03:03 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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However, there still is no SYSTEM SETTINGS in the Kickoff menu. There isn't on mine and never has been. I always start it from a xterm window.

I don't remember on how many earlier versions of openSUSE this has now appeared in Kickoff but this is what I, again, have in 13.1 (installed on the laptop): http://susepaste.org/19810462 See also my response to Patrick (next post). [pruned] BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

18 Sep 18 Sep

12:56

* Basil Chupin [09-18-14 03:05]:

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On 17/09/14 16:36, John M Andersen wrote: [...]

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You are supposed to see the systems settings screen, the same way you would it that option appeared on your menu. Almost all parts of KDE can be launched by commend line, which is what systemsettings is supposed to do.

Last evening, some 20 hours ago, I did the 'zypper.....' act. There were quite a number of updates to files.

After I rebooted the system...... the menu to SHUT DOWN, RESTART, LOCK SCREEN reappeared - and all these options worked! Even Dolphin's feature of CONVERTing graphic files (eg, from *.png to *.jpg) was back!

However, there still is no SYSTEM SETTINGS in the Kickoff menu. [...]

I have no "System Settings" in the kickoff menu, either, but do have "Configure Desktop". possibly CIA/NSA/"a stray cosmic particle"/unknown-undiscovered phenomena -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

19 Sep 19 Sep

03:02

On 18/09/14 22:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [09-18-14 03:05]:

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On 17/09/14 16:36, John M Andersen wrote: [...]

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You are supposed to see the systems settings screen, the same way you would it that option appeared on your menu. Almost all parts of KDE can be launched by commend line, which is what systemsettings is supposed to do. Last evening, some 20 hours ago, I did the 'zypper.....' act. There were quite a number of updates to files.

After I rebooted the system...... the menu to SHUT DOWN, RESTART, LOCK SCREEN reappeared - and all these options worked! Even Dolphin's feature of CONVERTing graphic files (eg, from *.png to *.jpg) was back!

However, there still is no SYSTEM SETTINGS in the Kickoff menu. [...]

I have no "System Settings" in the kickoff menu, either, but do have "Configure Desktop".

possibly CIA/NSA/"a stray cosmic particle"/unknown-undiscovered phenomena

Looks like the spooks have REALLY got to *you* good and proppa! :-) Here is what I have for 13.2/Factory in Kickoff: http://susepaste.org/77921535 What you have as "Configure Desktop" turns up when a new version of oS is being developed but gets replaced by "System Settings" very close to its release date. It seems that whatever goes into the first lots of Milestones are based on a template containing this "Configure Desktop" wording. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

03:13

* Basil Chupin [09-18-14 23:05]: [...]

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http://susepaste.org/77921535

odd, I cannot remember from 11.3 on, ever seeing "System Settings", always "Configure Desktop".

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What you have as "Configure Desktop" turns up when a new version of oS is being developed but gets replaced by "System Settings" very close to its release date. It seems that whatever goes into the first lots of Milestones are based on a template containing this "Configure Desktop" wording.

And I have four local systems all with "Configure Desktop". It may really be the CIA. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

08:39

On 19/09/14 13:13, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [09-18-14 23:05]: [...]

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http://susepaste.org/77921535

odd, I cannot remember from 11.3 on, ever seeing "System Settings", always "Configure Desktop".

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What you have as "Configure Desktop" turns up when a new version of oS is being developed but gets replaced by "System Settings" very close to its release date. It seems that whatever goes into the first lots of Milestones are based on a template containing this "Configure Desktop" wording. And I have four local systems all with "Configure Desktop".

It may really be the CIA.

I am going to have a guess here- you either don't install from 'scratch' when a new version comes out and simply do a 'dup'; or you always use the same '/home' from version to version. (But then, aren't you a 'Tumbleweed Man'?) Which is it? :-) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

12:04

* Basil Chupin [09-19-14 04:42]:

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On 19/09/14 13:13, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [09-18-14 23:05]: [...]

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http://susepaste.org/77921535 odd, I cannot remember from 11.3 on, ever seeing "System Settings", always "Configure Desktop". What you have as "Configure Desktop" turns up when a new version of oS is being developed but gets replaced by "System Settings" very close to its release date. It seems that whatever goes into the first lots of Milestones are based on a template containing this "Configure Desktop" wording. And I have four local systems all with "Configure Desktop".

It may really be the CIA.

I am going to have a guess here- you either don't install from 'scratch' when a new version comes out and simply do a 'dup'; or you always use the same '/home' from version to version. (But then, aren't you a 'Tumbleweed Man'?)

Which is it? :-)

All system *were* install from scratch but memory fails as to when. And as I recall, in opensuse-factory Tumbleweed was declared soon to be dropped. I am happily running Factory on all fronts but my server. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

20 Sep 20 Sep

07:56

On 19/09/14 22:04, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [09-19-14 04:42]:

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On 19/09/14 13:13, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [09-18-14 23:05]: [...]

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http://susepaste.org/77921535 odd, I cannot remember from 11.3 on, ever seeing "System Settings", always "Configure Desktop". What you have as "Configure Desktop" turns up when a new version of oS is being developed but gets replaced by "System Settings" very close to its release date. It seems that whatever goes into the first lots of Milestones are based on a template containing this "Configure Desktop" wording. And I have four local systems all with "Configure Desktop".

It may really be the CIA. I am going to have a guess here- you either don't install from 'scratch' when a new version comes out and simply do a 'dup'; or you always use the same '/home' from version to version. (But then, aren't you a 'Tumbleweed Man'?)

Which is it? :-) All system *were* install from scratch but memory fails as to when. And as I recall, in opensuse-factory Tumbleweed was declared soon to be dropped. I am happily running Factory on all fronts but my server.

Thanks for that, Patrick, but you missed answering THE Question of the Month: do you carry-over your /home directory from version to version, or do you copy over to the new /home only such folders like .mozilla, .thunderbird, Downloads, Documents, etc? :-) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.1 & kernel 3.16.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

19 Sep 19 Sep

07:59

New subject: [opensuse] Something changed some KDE items which were previously displayed - *UPDATE*

On 18/09/14 17:03, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 16:36, John M Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 11:16 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 15:37, John Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 10:26 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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f something in the System Settings got corrupted I cannot check because I do not have the System Settings Alt-F2 type systemsettings hit enter

Is something supposed to happen? All I get is a text file with headings-

[Applications]

[Favorites]

[KRunner]

[Krunner] [PlasmaRunnerManager]

[RecentlyUsed]

with a list of items under each heading.

BC

You are supposed to see the systems settings screen, the same way you would it that option appeared on your menu. Almost all parts of KDE can be launched by commend line, which is what systemsettings is supposed to do.

Last evening, some 20 hours ago, I did the 'zypper.....' act. There were quite a number of updates to files.

After I rebooted the system...... the menu to SHUT DOWN, RESTART, LOCK SCREEN reappeared - and all these options worked! Even Dolphin's feature of CONVERTing graphic files (eg, from *.png to *.jpg) was back!

However, there still is no SYSTEM SETTINGS in the Kickoff menu.

BUT there is now another unwanted consequence: the little menu which appears in every running application on the top RH to Minimise/Maximise/Close (the v/^/x ) an application is gone! (One of closing any running application is to use the QUIT in FILE in its Menu Bar.)

Several minutes ago I booted up the system (after doing some testing on the new HDDs) and found that there were ~90 updates to 13.1 (I always run 'zypper.....' after booting the system). All the ~90 updates were done and........guess what? I bet you won't believe me.... but all the missing "v, '^', x" [Minimise, Maximise, Close] were *back*! Nothing was done to the system - except to install these latest updates (via zypper). Somebody playing the game of "Silly Buggers"?

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Your system seems quite broken,

I feel that it is a combination of factors - and something to do with the alterations to the repo structure and what goes into the repos with the changeover to the use of Factory/Current/ - for want of a better way of describing what is occurring. For this reason........

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and it would seem the best way to fix it at this point would be a forced re-install of KDE.

........would be the way to go for me (especially as I now have the new HDDs) but just in case what you say.......

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I'd double check your repositories to make sure they are the correct ones for your version.

........is the cause of my (sudden, I have to say) hassles, here is a list of my repos which I have enabled (and their Prioriry Levels) which I am using for this installation of 13.1:

http://susepaste.org/522679

I would be grateful if you (?anyone) could look at the list and tell me which one(s) are not kosher.

BC

BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider - openSUSE

16:18

New subject: [opensuse] Something changed some KDE items which were previously displayed - *UPDATE*

On 09/19/2014 03:59 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 18/09/14 17:03, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 16:36, John M Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 11:16 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 15:37, John Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 10:26 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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f something in the System Settings got corrupted I cannot check because I do not have the System Settings Alt-F2 type systemsettings hit enter

Is something supposed to happen? All I get is a text file with headings-

[Applications]

[Favorites]

[KRunner]

[Krunner] [PlasmaRunnerManager]

[RecentlyUsed]

with a list of items under each heading.

BC

You are supposed to see the systems settings screen, the same way you would it that option appeared on your menu. Almost all parts of KDE can be launched by commend line, which is what systemsettings is supposed to do.

Last evening, some 20 hours ago, I did the 'zypper.....' act. There were quite a number of updates to files.

After I rebooted the system...... the menu to SHUT DOWN, RESTART, LOCK SCREEN reappeared - and all these options worked! Even Dolphin's feature of CONVERTing graphic files (eg, from *.png to *.jpg) was back!

However, there still is no SYSTEM SETTINGS in the Kickoff menu.

BUT there is now another unwanted consequence: the little menu which appears in every running application on the top RH to Minimise/Maximise/Close (the v/^/x ) an application is gone! (One of closing any running application is to use the QUIT in FILE in its Menu Bar.)

Several minutes ago I booted up the system (after doing some testing on the new HDDs) and found that there were ~90 updates to 13.1 (I always run 'zypper.....' after booting the system).

All the ~90 updates were done and........guess what? I bet you won't believe me.... but all the missing "v, '^', x" [Minimise, Maximise, Close] were *back*!

Nothing was done to the system - except to install these latest updates (via zypper).

Somebody playing the game of "Silly Buggers"?

It would seem the CIA got wind of you "seeing" their activity on your computer. :-) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

20 Sep 20 Sep

07:58

New subject: [opensuse] Something changed some KDE items which were previously displayed - *UPDATE*

On 20/09/14 02:18, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 09/19/2014 03:59 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 18/09/14 17:03, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 16:36, John M Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 11:16 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 15:37, John Andersen wrote:

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On 9/16/2014 10:26 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > f something in the System Settings got corrupted I cannot check > because I do not have the System Settings Alt-F2 type systemsettings hit enter

Is something supposed to happen? All I get is a text file with headings-

[Applications]

[Favorites]

[KRunner]

[Krunner] [PlasmaRunnerManager]

[RecentlyUsed]

with a list of items under each heading.

BC

You are supposed to see the systems settings screen, the same way you would it that option appeared on your menu. Almost all parts of KDE can be launched by commend line, which is what systemsettings is supposed to do.

Last evening, some 20 hours ago, I did the 'zypper.....' act. There were quite a number of updates to files.

After I rebooted the system...... the menu to SHUT DOWN, RESTART, LOCK SCREEN reappeared - and all these options worked! Even Dolphin's feature of CONVERTing graphic files (eg, from *.png to *.jpg) was back!

However, there still is no SYSTEM SETTINGS in the Kickoff menu.

BUT there is now another unwanted consequence: the little menu which appears in every running application on the top RH to Minimise/Maximise/Close (the v/^/x ) an application is gone! (One of closing any running application is to use the QUIT in FILE in its Menu Bar.)

Several minutes ago I booted up the system (after doing some testing on the new HDDs) and found that there were ~90 updates to 13.1 (I always run 'zypper.....' after booting the system).

All the ~90 updates were done and........guess what? I bet you won't believe me.... but all the missing "v, '^', x" [Minimise, Maximise, Close] were *back*!

Nothing was done to the system - except to install these latest updates (via zypper).

Somebody playing the game of "Silly Buggers"?

It would seem the CIA got wind of you "seeing" their activity on your computer. :-)

The Chaos Instigation Authority and I co-exist without any friction :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.1 & kernel 3.16.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

13:14

New subject: [opensuse] Something changed some KDE items which were previously displayed - *UPDATE*

On 09/20/2014 02:58 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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The Chaos Instigation Authority

I like that name for them. It's what they do best. Their regular name, Counter Intelligence Agency, is appropriate also. They're counter to anything intelligent. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

17 Sep 17 Sep

08:32

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 17/09/14 06:26, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I cannot get the Classic menu. I know that I could in the past but no longer. I just get three (3) options:

Edit Applications

Application Launcher Settings

Unlock Widgets

Try Unlock Widgets, then right click the Start menu icon again. You should get another option to switch to whichever menu style you're not currently using. Bob - -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.11.10-21-desktop Distro: openSUSE 13.1 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.0 Uptime: 06:00am up 5 days 9:13, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.11 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQZRyYACgkQ0Sr7eZJrmU5DGQCgn4mW4PW7J0mazmRZnCqyKgzR /K8AnRHtLDlGcQvTtaXpqHpXIr6JK70M =wxc8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

18 Sep 18 Sep

07:06

On 17/09/14 18:32, Bob Williams wrote:

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

On 17/09/14 06:26, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I cannot get the Classic menu. I know that I could in the past but no longer. I just get three (3) options:

Edit Applications

Application Launcher Settings

Unlock Widgets Try Unlock Widgets, then right click the Start menu icon again. You should get another option to switch to whichever menu style you're not currently using.

Bob

Thanks Bob. Absolutely correct. I forgot that one first needs to unlock the widgets before trying to switch over to the classical view of Kickoff. Once I did this, the classical settings appeared including the System Settings. Thank you. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

17 Sep 17 Sep

12:44

On 09/17/2014 12:26 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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(I now have 2 new HDDs but before cloning my existing drives it would be nice to know why the above hassle has occurred; if not resolved then I would have to re-install 13.1 on the new HDD - maybe that's the way to go in the final analysis.)

BC

It sounds like your system is corrupted in some way. Perhaps a stray cosmic particle hit the wrong spot on your hard drive. Sounds like it's time to start over. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

12:58

* Billie Walsh [09-17-14 08:45]:

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On 09/17/2014 12:26 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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(I now have 2 new HDDs but before cloning my existing drives it would be nice to know why the above hassle has occurred; if not resolved then I would have to re-install 13.1 on the new HDD - maybe that's the way to go in the final analysis.)

BC

It sounds like your system is corrupted in some way. Perhaps a stray cosmic particle hit the wrong spot on your hard drive. Sounds like it's time to start over.

More likely, the CIA has taken police action over his domain. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

18 Sep 18 Sep

07:21

On 17/09/14 22:58, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Billie Walsh [09-17-14 08:45]:

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On 09/17/2014 12:26 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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(I now have 2 new HDDs but before cloning my existing drives it would be nice to know why the above hassle has occurred; if not resolved then I would have to re-install 13.1 on the new HDD - maybe that's the way to go in the final analysis.)

BC It sounds like your system is corrupted in some way. Perhaps a stray cosmic particle hit the wrong spot on your hard drive. Sounds like it's time to start over. More likely, the CIA has taken police action over his domain.

There you are Billie! Even Patrick recognises what's at the bottom of the problem! BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

10:51

On 09/18/2014 02:21 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/09/14 22:58, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Billie Walsh [09-17-14 08:45]:

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On 09/17/2014 12:26 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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(I now have 2 new HDDs but before cloning my existing drives it would be nice to know why the above hassle has occurred; if not resolved then I would have to re-install 13.1 on the new HDD - maybe that's the way to go in the final analysis.)

BC It sounds like your system is corrupted in some way. Perhaps a stray cosmic particle hit the wrong spot on your hard drive. Sounds like it's time to start over. More likely, the CIA has taken police action over his domain.

There you are Billie!

Even Patrick recognises what's at the bottom of the problem!

BC

Well, you do have some rather radical views. *<]:o) -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

07:18

On 17/09/14 22:44, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 12:26 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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(I now have 2 new HDDs but before cloning my existing drives it would be nice to know why the above hassle has occurred; if not resolved then I would have to re-install 13.1 on the new HDD - maybe that's the way to go in the final analysis.)

BC

It sounds like your system is corrupted in some way. Perhaps a stray cosmic particle hit the wrong spot on your hard drive. Sounds like it's time to start over.

It's all that CIA and NSA crap that's doing it! Only the other day I bought a new modem/router and now I am suspicious of it! But "a stray cosmic particle", eh? Quite possible with all that CO2 being released into the atmosphere thus depleting Earth's protective layer against stray cosmic particles :-( . And, BTW, I take objection to you saying that my "system is corrupted in some way". My system is not a political system. :-) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

10:50

On 09/18/2014 02:18 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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And, BTW, I take objection to you saying that my "system is corrupted in some way". My system is not a political system.

Corruption has many different uses. As used in the context of a computer system being corrupted has nothing to do with politics and the corruption of politicians. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

17 Sep 17 Sep

12:41

On 09/16/2014 11:07 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Well, I created a new user and logged in but nothing has changed - get identical results. Here are 2 screenshots, one of the Menu in Kickoff

http://susepaste.org/38933146

I agree with John Anderson, switch to classic menu.

...

Also just discovered another thing which does not work: the above images are in *.png format; I tried to convert them to *.jpg in Dolphin but the attempts were simply ignored.

Something very strange going on but I cannot start to even think where to start looking.

BC

Dolphin is a filing program, not an image editor. You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Harrie Baken

14:06

Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

...

On 09/16/2014 11:07 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Well, I created a new user and logged in but nothing has changed - get identical results. Here are 2 screenshots, one of the Menu in Kickoff

http://susepaste.org/38933146

I agree with John Anderson, switch to classic menu.

...
Also just discovered another thing which does not work: the above images are in *.png format; I tried to convert them to *.jpg in Dolphin but the attempts were simply ignored.

Something very strange going on but I cannot start to even think where to start looking. Dolphin is a filing program, not an image editor.

That's true.

...

You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF. Harrie -- Harrie Baken | Tekstbureau TekstBaken Copy-editing - proofreading (Dutch) http://www.tekstbaken.nl/ Registered Linux user #366560 | openSUSE 13.1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

15:01

On 09/17/2014 09:06 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

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You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF.

Harrie

I have never seen that option in Dolphin. I just looked and it's not there in mine. Dolphin 4.13.3 -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

15:05

Le 17/09/2014 17:01, Billie Walsh a écrit :

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On 09/17/2014 09:06 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

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You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF.

Harrie

I have never seen that option in Dolphin. I just looked and it's not there in mine. Dolphin 4.13.3

I have it, probably added by some "convert" (imagemagic) spec file jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Vojtěch Zeisek

15:08

Dne St 17. září 2014 10:01:30, Billie Walsh napsal(a):

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On 09/17/2014 09:06 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

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You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF.

I have never seen that option in Dolphin. I just looked and it's not there in mine. Dolphin 4.13.3

Install http://software.opensuse.org/package/kim V. -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/

Harrie Baken

15:26

Hallo Vojtěch, op 17-09-14 om 17:08 schreef je:

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Dne St 17. září 2014 10:01:30, Billie Walsh napsal(a):

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On 09/17/2014 09:06 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

...
You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF.

I have never seen that option in Dolphin. I just looked and it's not there in mine. Dolphin 4.13.3

Install http://software.opensuse.org/package/kim

Nice! A lot of options! (But for the image conversion part, it isn't needed: I only had imagemagic, as jdd suggested, and 'kipi-plugins'.) Harrie -- Harrie Baken | Tekstbureau TekstBaken Copy-editing - proofreading (Dutch) http://www.tekstbaken.nl/ Registered Linux user #366560 | openSUSE 13.1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Vojtěch Zeisek

15:39

Dne St 17. září 2014 17:26:01, Harrie Baken napsal(a):

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Hallo Vojtěch, op 17-09-14 om 17:08 schreef je:

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Dne St 17. září 2014 10:01:30, Billie Walsh napsal(a):

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On 09/17/2014 09:06 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

...
You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF.

I have never seen that option in Dolphin. I just looked and it's not there in mine. Dolphin 4.13.3

Install http://software.opensuse.org/package/kim

Nice! A lot of options! (But for the image conversion part, it isn't needed: I only had imagemagic, as jdd suggested, and 'kipi-plugins'.)

Well, it only ads the service menu to Dolphin etc, it doesn't have ability to modify image itself... Have a nice day, Vojta -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/

Doug

16:03

On 09/17/2014 11:01 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 09:06 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

...
You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF.

Harrie

I have never seen that option in Dolphin. I just looked and it's not there in mine. Dolphin 4.13.3

I have Dolphin -base apps 4.13.3 in PCLOS. I have the conversion routine. You have to run it on a picture-type file. You can't convert something that's not a picture into something that is. Right click on a file with a "graphic" extension, and in the drop-down, select "Actions" and then you'll see the convert menu. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

17:01

On 09/17/2014 11:03 AM, Doug wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 11:01 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 09:06 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

...
You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF.

Harrie

I have never seen that option in Dolphin. I just looked and it's not there in mine. Dolphin 4.13.3

I have Dolphin -base apps 4.13.3 in PCLOS. I have the conversion routine. You have to run it on a picture-type file. You can't convert something that's not a picture into something that is. Right click on a file with a "graphic" extension, and in the drop-down, select "Actions" and then you'll see the convert menu.

--doug

Not in mine. Clicked on a "png" file. Clicked "Activities". Got "Link To" then "New Activity", "Desktop" and "New Activities" as choices. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

18 Sep 18 Sep

07:42

On 18/09/14 03:01, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 11:03 AM, Doug wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 11:01 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 09:06 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

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You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF.

Harrie

I have never seen that option in Dolphin. I just looked and it's not there in mine. Dolphin 4.13.3

I have Dolphin -base apps 4.13.3 in PCLOS. I have the conversion routine. You have to run it on a picture-type file. You can't convert something that's not a picture into something that is. Right click on a file with a "graphic" extension, and in the drop-down, select "Actions" and then you'll see the convert menu.

--doug

Not in mine. Clicked on a "png" file. Clicked "Activities". Got "Link To" then "New Activity", "Desktop" and "New Activities" as choices.

Perhaps this could help in 'solving' whatever argument which may be going on here...... In Dolphin you have the option to open a - ANY - file with an "opener" of your choice. For example, if you have an audio file you have the choice of listening to it via any of the players you may have installed. And to make your choice, in Dolphin, you right-click on the file name, select PROPERTIES, then select FILE TYPE OPTIONS where you can choose (by MOVING up or down) the application with which you want to listen to that audio file. Same goes for any other file. So, for a graphics file you make your choice (and you takes your chances :-) ). From now on, any file will be 'OPENED' with whatever application you have selected as the 'primary' app. Whether this also applies to how or what CONVERTS a graphic file to a new format I don't know. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

11:08

On 09/18/2014 02:42 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 18/09/14 03:01, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 11:03 AM, Doug wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 11:01 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 09:06 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

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You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF.

Harrie

I have never seen that option in Dolphin. I just looked and it's not there in mine. Dolphin 4.13.3

I have Dolphin -base apps 4.13.3 in PCLOS. I have the conversion routine. You have to run it on a picture-type file. You can't convert something that's not a picture into something that is. Right click on a file with a "graphic" extension, and in the drop-down, select "Actions" and then you'll see the convert menu.

--doug

Not in mine. Clicked on a "png" file. Clicked "Activities". Got "Link To" then "New Activity", "Desktop" and "New Activities" as choices.

Perhaps this could help in 'solving' whatever argument which may be going on here......

In Dolphin you have the option to open a - ANY - file with an "opener" of your choice.

For example, if you have an audio file you have the choice of listening to it via any of the players you may have installed.

And to make your choice, in Dolphin, you right-click on the file name, select PROPERTIES, then select FILE TYPE OPTIONS where you can choose (by MOVING up or down) the application with which you want to listen to that audio file.

Same goes for any other file. So, for a graphics file you make your choice (and you takes your chances :-) ).

From now on, any file will be 'OPENED' with whatever application you have selected as the 'primary' app.

Whether this also applies to how or what CONVERTS a graphic file to a new format I don't know.

BC

As has been brought out in other messages in this thread it appears that there is some other software that has to be installed to have the convert option "plugin" for Dolphin. If that is the case it is not Dolphin that actually does the conversion but the other software. I don't have whatever software package is required so I don't have the option. That's not really a problem for me as I don't convert between formats often and do all my graphics work in Gimp, which does a good job of "converting" when I need to do so. I do have an issue with the latest version of Gimp but that is a problem for another time and thread. In some cases I prefer not to have a default program. Video for instance. Some video programs do something better than others. Take Dragon for instance. It will choke and puke on some videos while VLC will play it quite nicely [ of course VLC will play just about anything well, it's the "swiss army knife" of video ]. I prefer to have "Open With" and a choice of what program to use for any given instance. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

07:30

On 18/09/14 01:01, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 09/17/2014 09:06 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Hallo Billie, op 17-09-14 om 14:41 schreef je:

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You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

I don't agree. I can right click on a jpg, png, tif or gif and choose: 'Actions' -> Covert to -> JPEG/PNG/GIF/TIFF.

Harrie

I have never seen that option in Dolphin. I just looked and it's not there in mine. Dolphin 4.13.3

It has always been there in Dolphin, Billie. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

07:28

On 17/09/14 22:41, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 09/16/2014 11:07 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Well, I created a new user and logged in but nothing has changed - get identical results. Here are 2 screenshots, one of the Menu in Kickoff

http://susepaste.org/38933146

I agree with John Anderson, switch to classic menu.

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Also just discovered another thing which does not work: the above images are in *.png format; I tried to convert them to *.jpg in Dolphin but the attempts were simply ignored.

Something very strange going on but I cannot start to even think where to start looking.

BC

Dolphin is a filing program, not an image editor. You can right click on it and change the file extension to whatever you like but it doesn't change the format. If you want to change formats use an image editor like Gimp.

Not quite so, Billie. If you have a graphics file - say *.jpg - you can, using Dolphin, convert it almost any format. To do so, r-c on the file, select ACTION from the drop down menu then select CONVERT. But one caution about this: have a look at the size of the 'original' file and then have a look at its size after the conversion. Often the conversion is BIGGER (in bytes) than the original so if you doing the conversion to send the file to someone and want to send them the smallest sized file then the original may be the one to send. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

07:49

New subject: [opensuse] image sizes (was: Something changed...)

Basil Chupin wrote on 2014-09-18 17:28 (GMT+1000):

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have a look at the size of the 'original' file and then have a look at its size after the conversion. Often the conversion is BIGGER (in bytes) than the original so if you doing the conversion to send the file to someone and want to send them the smallest sized file then the original may be the one to send.

If either is a .png, run optipng against it before deciding which is smaller. Any lossy image can be reduced in size with the right tool. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carl Hartung

12:32

New subject: [opensuse] image sizes (was: Something changed...)

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 03:49:23 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

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If either is a .png, run optipng against it before deciding which is smaller. Any lossy image can be reduced in size with the right tool.

Thanks for the tip, Felix! Another +1 for my 'tool kit' Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

19 Sep 19 Sep

03:05

New subject: [opensuse] image sizes

On 18/09/14 17:49, Felix Miata wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote on 2014-09-18 17:28 (GMT+1000):

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have a look at the size of the 'original' file and then have a look at its size after the conversion. Often the conversion is BIGGER (in bytes) than the original so if you doing the conversion to send the file to someone and want to send them the smallest sized file then the original may be the one to send. If either is a .png, run optipng against it before deciding which is smaller.

Thanks for this. Didn't know about this but now have made a note of it.

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Any lossy image can be reduced in size with the right tool.

*.png, BTW, is NOT a 'lossy' image format. *jpg (jpeg) is but not png. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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