Re: [opensuse] New ATI driver released... And works! -- NOT!
Dave Plater wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Dave,
Your english was fine, I was just suffering from a momentary cranal-rectal inversion :-(
By the way, Peter didn't seem to have solved his problem which I think may be due to his not having the devel versions installed. I have no experience with ATI only nvidia, in fact from what I've seen on this list I don't want to have any ATI experience. Does the installation of his driver require the development versions to be installed? Maybe you can put him on the right track. Regards Dave P
Dave, The devel versions shouldn't be required. When I checked my 11.0 version, all I have is compat-libstdc++-5.0.7-121.1 (which I understand is libstdc++33 in 11.1), but: [01:44 alchemy:/srv/www/htdocs/wordpress] # rpm -qa | grep libstdc++ compat-libstdc++-5.0.7-121.1 ------------- I do have other unrelated devel packages installed: libstdc++44-4.4.0_20090316-2.1 libstdc++43-devel-4.3.3_20090126-2.3 libstdc++43-doc-4.3.3_20090316-2.1 libstdc++44-32bit-4.4.0_20090316-2.1 libstdc++-devel-4.3-39.1 but nothing on the system related to libstdc++.so.5 [02:16 alchemy:/srv/www/htdocs/wordpress] # rpm -q --whatprovides libstdc++.so.5 compat-libstdc++-5.0.7-121.1 I have never had a compile problem with the ATI driver related to a missing library. ATI botched a couple of driver releases that not even Stefan could compile for 11.1. The key here I think is 11.1. ATI hasn't released a driver to date that will work with my hardware and 11.1. Anders and others are doing OK with the 9-3 release (although I suspect if they compare the 11.1 fglrx driver performance to that of the Sept. 08 driver running on 11.0 or 10.3 they would be wildly disappointed by the comparison.) The problem is there is no "measuring stick" or a good performing driver that will compile against 11.1. I know in my experience with the 8-10, 8-11, 8-12, and 9-1 fglrx drivers, my graphics performance on my laptop with an X1200/x1300 chipset all the foregoing drivers suffer greater than a 40% performance loss compared against the 8-9 driver. I would like to see the test results of others who think the 9-3 driver is doing OK, comparing (1) the glxgears frame rates w/default window size, and (2) the overall feel and responsiveness of the graphics subsystem against their same hardware running 11.0 or 10.3 with the 8-9 driver. I would be willing to wager their would be a bunch of bruised chins from all the "jaw dropping" that would occur when the performance penalty of the recent ATI drivers is actually measured in black-and-white. It's almost impossible to tell how much of a performance hit you have taken just by looking at the screen and saying "yes, it looks OK" without doing an actual comparison. As for Peter, the only thing I can think of is just to plug libstdc++.so.5 into webpin on 11.1 and see what packages come back and then install those packages to get around his compile problem. The search on 11.1 says the package is provided by the following. Since I don't run 11.1 (primarily due to the ATI issue (to be fair other things as well)), I haven't had to beat my head into the wall over this yet, but if it were me, I would just go down the list of the 1-click installs below, find my architecture and install every damn one of them that matched until I had a usable libstdc++.so.5 on my system to compile against: Results from http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/ libstdc++33 (3.3.3) The standard C++ shared library contains /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 1-click: http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_111/3ca198ef8... libstdc++33-32bit (3.3.3) The standard C++ shared library contains /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 Results from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/gcc/openSUSE_11.1 1-click: http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_111/19e75469a... libstdc++33 (3.3.3) The standard C++ shared library contains /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 1-click: http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_111/f12e9978c... libstdc++33-32bit (3.3.3) The standard C++ shared library contains /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 1-click: http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_111/c7de60990... libstdc++33-64bit (3.3.3) The standard C++ shared library contains /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5 1-click: http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_111/8d3112895... And if that didn't work, I'd just grab a copy from 11.0 and see if that would work. Looking closer, the libstdc++.so.5 isn't even a real file, on 11.0 it is just sym linked against libstdc++.so.5.0.7: 02:18 alchemy:/srv/www/htdocs/wordpress] # l /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-07-26 17:47 /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5 -> libstdc++.so.5.0.7* [02:37 alchemy:/srv/www/htdocs/wordpress] # l /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 855856 2008-06-06 16:45 /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5.0.7* Hell, Peter's problem may be as simple as just recreating the sym link. Peter, give this a try [as root]: [[ -f /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 ]] && ln -s /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5 -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Dave Plater wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Dave,
Your english was fine, I was just suffering from a momentary cranal-rectal inversion :-(
By the way, Peter didn't seem to have solved his problem which I think may be due to his not having the devel versions installed. I have no experience with ATI only nvidia, in fact from what I've seen on this list I don't want to have any ATI experience. Does the installation of his driver require the development versions to be installed? Maybe you can put him on the right track. Regards Dave P
Dave,
The devel versions shouldn't be required. When I checked my 11.0 version, all I have is compat-libstdc++-5.0.7-121.1 (which I understand is libstdc++33 in 11.1), but:
[01:44 alchemy:/srv/www/htdocs/wordpress] # rpm -qa | grep libstdc++ compat-libstdc++-5.0.7-121.1
------------- I do have other unrelated devel packages installed:
libstdc++44-4.4.0_20090316-2.1 libstdc++43-devel-4.3.3_20090126-2.3 libstdc++43-doc-4.3.3_20090316-2.1 libstdc++44-32bit-4.4.0_20090316-2.1 libstdc++-devel-4.3-39.1
but nothing on the system related to libstdc++.so.5
[02:16 alchemy:/srv/www/htdocs/wordpress] # rpm -q --whatprovides libstdc++.so.5 compat-libstdc++-5.0.7-121.1
I have never had a compile problem with the ATI driver related to a missing library. ATI botched a couple of driver releases that not even Stefan could compile for 11.1. The key here I think is 11.1. ATI hasn't released a driver to date that will work with my hardware and 11.1. Anders and others are doing OK with the 9-3 release (although I suspect if they compare the 11.1 fglrx driver performance to that of the Sept. 08 driver running on 11.0 or 10.3 they would be wildly disappointed by the comparison.) The problem is there is no "measuring stick" or a good performing driver that will compile against 11.1.
I know in my experience with the 8-10, 8-11, 8-12, and 9-1 fglrx drivers, my graphics performance on my laptop with an X1200/x1300 chipset all the foregoing drivers suffer greater than a 40% performance loss compared against the 8-9 driver.
I would like to see the test results of others who think the 9-3 driver is doing OK, comparing (1) the glxgears frame rates w/default window size, and (2) the overall feel and responsiveness of the graphics subsystem against their same hardware running 11.0 or 10.3 with the 8-9 driver. I would be willing to wager their would be a bunch of bruised chins from all the "jaw dropping" that would occur when the performance penalty of the recent ATI drivers is actually measured in black-and-white. It's almost impossible to tell how much of a performance hit you have taken just by looking at the screen and saying "yes, it looks OK" without doing an actual comparison.
As for Peter, the only thing I can think of is just to plug libstdc++.so.5 into webpin on 11.1 and see what packages come back and then install those packages to get around his compile problem. The search on 11.1 says the package is provided by the following. Since I don't run 11.1 (primarily due to the ATI issue (to be fair other things as well)), I haven't had to beat my head into the wall over this yet, but if it were me, I would just go down the list of the 1-click installs below, find my architecture and install every damn one of them that matched until I had a usable libstdc++.so.5 on my system to compile against:
Results from http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/
libstdc++33 (3.3.3) The standard C++ shared library contains /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
1-click: http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_111/3ca198ef8...
libstdc++33-32bit (3.3.3) The standard C++ shared library contains /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 Results from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/gcc/openSUSE_11.1
1-click:
http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_111/19e75469a...
libstdc++33 (3.3.3) The standard C++ shared library contains /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
1-click:
http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_111/f12e9978c...
libstdc++33-32bit (3.3.3) The standard C++ shared library contains /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
1-click:
http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_111/c7de60990...
libstdc++33-64bit (3.3.3) The standard C++ shared library contains /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5
1-click:
http://api.opensuse-community.org/searchservice//YMPs/openSUSE_111/8d3112895...
And if that didn't work, I'd just grab a copy from 11.0 and see if that would work.
Looking closer, the libstdc++.so.5 isn't even a real file, on 11.0 it is just sym linked against libstdc++.so.5.0.7:
02:18 alchemy:/srv/www/htdocs/wordpress] # l /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-07-26 17:47 /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5 -> libstdc++.so.5.0.7* [02:37 alchemy:/srv/www/htdocs/wordpress] # l /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 855856 2008-06-06 16:45 /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5.0.7*
Hell, Peter's problem may be as simple as just recreating the sym link. Peter, give this a try [as root]:
[[ -f /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 ]] && ln -s /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5
Just installed libstdc++33 and libstdc++33-32bit on my system, which is closer to Peters, 11.2 alpha, and checked /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 and both have symlinks libstdc++.so.5 pointing to libstdc++.so.5.0.7 . The lib64 directory also has gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/4.3/libstdc++.so which is a link to libstdc++.so.6 and gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/4.3/libstdc++.a which I think is from a devel lib.
From this I think we can conclude that the new driver doesn't work with 11.1 and Peter should either use the older driver you mentioned above or as he mentioned in one of his posts, get an nvidia card. Regards Dave P
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Hello Dave, On Friday 03 April 2009 01:11:24 am Dave Plater wrote:
From this I think we can conclude that the new driver doesn't work with 11.1 and Peter should either use the older driver you mentioned above or as he mentioned in one of his posts, get an nvidia card. Regards Dave P
I have been watching the thread with amazement that there has been such an issue. Your blanket statement doesn't apply to everyone as the newest driver on my SuSE 11.1 x64 laptop is working great. A friend of mine is running the 32bit version of the same driver also with good results There must be an issue either with the compatability with specific chipset of the ATI card or the users baseline installation has been muddied with some other installation. BTW, I tried KDE 4.2 with this driver and found that the glxgears jumped from 4-6K to 9Kfps. I'm sorry some are having problems -- Thank you, Michael.A.Sterba -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 3. April 2009 10:57:14 schrieb Michael A. Sterba:
Hello Dave,
On Friday 03 April 2009 01:11:24 am Dave Plater wrote:
From this I think we can conclude that the new driver doesn't work with 11.1 and Peter should either use the older driver you mentioned above or as he mentioned in one of his posts, get an nvidia card.
I have been watching the thread with amazement that there has been such an issue. Your blanket statement doesn't apply to everyone as the newest driver on my SuSE 11.1 x64 laptop is working great. A friend of mine is running the 32bit version of the same driver also with good results
There must be an issue either with the compatability with specific chipset of the ATI card or the users baseline installation has been muddied with some other installation.
Yep, I installed it on a friend's 11.1 x64 openSUSE and although I had to find out why 3D did not work (missing package "make" during package creation) after installing the package and running the fglrx kernel script, the driver works fine. Ah and after the aticonfig --initial I had to remove the "radeonhd" section from xorg.conf, which to me is a bug, but still, the driver works on 11.1. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dave Plater wrote:
From this I think we can conclude that the new driver doesn't work with 11.1 and Peter should either use the older driver you mentioned above or as he mentioned in one of his posts, get an nvidia card. Regards Dave P
Dave, That's sort of a 'wicky sticket' since Peter is running 11.1. Nothing released prior to December '08 will even run on 11.1... The proverbial rock and a hard place... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Michael A. Sterba wrote:
Hello Dave,
On Friday 03 April 2009 01:11:24 am Dave Plater wrote:
From this I think we can conclude that the new driver doesn't work with 11.1 and Peter should either use the older driver you mentioned above or as he mentioned in one of his posts, get an nvidia card. Regards Dave P
I have been watching the thread with amazement that there has been such an issue. Your blanket statement doesn't apply to everyone as the newest driver on my SuSE 11.1 x64 laptop is working great. A friend of mine is running the 32bit version of the same driver also with good results
There must be an issue either with the compatability with specific chipset of the ATI card or the users baseline installation has been muddied with some other installation.
BTW, I tried KDE 4.2 with this driver and found that the glxgears jumped from 4-6K to 9Kfps.
I'm sorry some are having problems
Michael, There is a very frustrating problem. From what I can determine, the ATI driver problems affect/cripple the supported Rev. 300-500 series cards. The integrated (Mobile) versions particularly. I'm glad the ATI driver works for you guys, though I question how well since there is virtually no way to make an apples to apples comparison of the new driver performance against the 8-6 through 8-9 driver performance for 11.1 because nothing prior to 8-12 will compile on 11.1. With respect to the Rev. 300-500 mobile cards, the frustrating part is the 8-6 through 8-9 work well for these cards, but beginning with the 8-10 driver, what was heretofore working, was broken in 8-10 release and all subsequent driver releases. What that means to me and anyone else that owns a laptop with R300-R535 cards is that you do not have an upgrade path to 11.1 or later if you want to retain decent graphics performance. The real frustration is that for these cards, obviously something was changed in the 8-10 release that adversely affects driver performance for these cards, which is something that should be within ATI competence to fix. Despite providing detailed logs, etc. to ATI following every release since 8-10, the problem remains -- all laptop owners with laptops purchased pre-Q1 2006 (or Q1 2007 with the X1050 cards) are for the most part screwed right now. Apparently the 9-3 release was the last hope to get a decent driver for anyone affected by these issues. Evidently ATI is 'conveniently' dropping Linux driver support for all R300-R500 cards as of ...NOW... (See ATI forum on phronix) In case you are keeping score, that is dropped support for all 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, X300, X550, X600, X700, X800, X850 AllInWonder, and X1050 cards. Check your laptops, it might be time to think new one. However, and more importantly, the driver issue doesn't just affect these older mobility cards, it affects the X1300 (R535) series in my Toshiba P205D from 2008. Who gives a crap about problems with a desktop card, a 3 minute $50 change will fix any problem there. The gripe is basic, there is a huge installed user base stuck with laptops with these chipsets. It is just sad to see such shameful customer support -- basically the big FU to all the folks caught in the conundrum. Especially when it is probably a simple fix for an experienced ATI driver programmer to identify the 8-9 -> 8-10 release change affecting these cards and fix it. That is if there is anything called an experienced ATI driver programmer after the latest round of outsourcing. But ATI has done me and a lot of others a big favor so I can't complain. I will never have a problem with ATI drivers again, all subsequent laptop purchases will have nVidia chipsets in them.... Why any corp would want to piss off its customer base in this economy defies logic. (even though the number of affected boards * percent linux installs, etc... isn't exactly the lions share, bad PR is still bad PR) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 04 April 2009, David C. Rankin wrote:
Dave Plater wrote:
From this I think we can conclude that the new driver doesn't work with
11.1 and Peter should either use the older driver you mentioned above or as he mentioned in one of his posts, get an nvidia card. Regards Dave P
Dave,
That's sort of a 'wicky sticket' since Peter is running 11.1. Nothing released prior to December '08 will even run on 11.1... The proverbial rock and a hard place...
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Well i have all but give up on the festering infestation that is ATI , Unfortunatley i can not afford to change the Laptop at the moment and doubt i will be able to for some time (disabled so funds ar scarce althou i do get a bit now and then but even that goes on gas and electric ) But you can be dambed sure when i do replace it ATI will not even get within a mile of the list of machines to look at . It is just a crying pity that AMD bought into such a heap of pure crap as ATI had they gotten Nvidia we would be ok but ATI has always been suspect to say the least well now we got the proof no support from them AT ALL typical well all i can say is lets hope windows 7 goes tits up then there main source of income has gone then they GOT to start getting real . Cheers all fior trying to assist roll o9n the day i can afford a new lappy Nvidia rules . Pete . -- Opensuse 10.3 x86_64 (Linux is like a wigwam no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
peter nikolic wrote:
On Saturday 04 April 2009, David C. Rankin wrote:
Dave Plater wrote:
From this I think we can conclude that the new driver doesn't work with
11.1 and Peter should either use the older driver you mentioned above or as he mentioned in one of his posts, get an nvidia card. Regards Dave P Dave,
That's sort of a 'wicky sticket' since Peter is running 11.1. Nothing released prior to December '08 will even run on 11.1... The proverbial rock and a hard place...
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Well i have all but give up on the festering infestation that is ATI , Unfortunatley i can not afford to change the Laptop at the moment and doubt i will be able to for some time (disabled so funds ar scarce althou i do get a bit now and then but even that goes on gas and electric )
But you can be dambed sure when i do replace it ATI will not even get within a mile of the list of machines to look at .
It is just a crying pity that AMD bought into such a heap of pure crap as ATI had they gotten Nvidia we would be ok but ATI has always been suspect to say the least well now we got the proof no support from them AT ALL typical well all i can say is lets hope windows 7 goes tits up then there main source of income has gone then they GOT to start getting real .
Cheers all fior trying to assist roll o9n the day i can afford a new lappy Nvidia rules .
Pete .
Pete, If I was in your situation (Well, I sort of am, I have 2 laptops with ATI chipsets: a 9600 and X1300), I would downgrade to 11.0 (or I would just spring for the $50 new laptop hard drive and load 11.0). Then I would download the 8-9 driver from the prior releases page at the ati site: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/previous/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx Then follow the install instructions. Both laptops I have do wonderfully with the 8-9 driver, 100% stable, handle compiz with no problems, and have the best performance of any ATI driver I have ever loaded. As I mentioned in my prior post, the 11.1 folks are just out of luck if they have ATI driver problems because *nothing* prior to the 8-12 driver will even install on 11.1. Good luck, and I concur. No laptop or desktop I purchase will ever have ATI in it again. Pitty really, ATI did put out some really good stuff. The 9800 series and X850 All in Wonder cards were screamers. Too bad all Linux support for the cards is now dropped by ATI. It really leaves you scratching your head as to why a graphics card company would intentionally alienate a segment of its user base, especially in this economy. NVidia, at least has the corporate common sense to provide a legacy driver that works quite well. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
peter nikolic wrote:
Well i have all but give up on the festering infestation that is ATI , Unfortunatley i can not afford to change the Laptop at the moment and doubt i will be able to for some time (disabled so funds ar scarce althou i do get a bit now and then but even that goes on gas and electric )
But you can be dambed sure when i do replace it ATI will not even get within a mile of the list of machines to look at .
It is just a crying pity that AMD bought into such a heap of pure crap as ATI had they gotten Nvidia we would be ok but ATI has always been suspect to say the least well now we got the proof no support from them AT ALL typical well all i can say is lets hope windows 7 goes tits up then there main source of income has gone then they GOT to start getting real .
Cheers all fior trying to assist roll o9n the day i can afford a new lappy Nvidia rules .
Pete .
Peter, Please add your comments to my bug I opened with the unofficial ATI bugzilla. Just create an account if you don't have one: http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1508 When we have driver problems, the only way they get fixed is if we report them. At least add your card information so they know my x1200 isn't the only card affected. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
peter nikolic wrote:
On Saturday 04 April 2009, David C. Rankin wrote:
Dave Plater wrote:
From this I think we can conclude that the new driver doesn't work with
11.1 and Peter should either use the older driver you mentioned above or as he mentioned in one of his posts, get an nvidia card. Regards Dave P
Dave,
That's sort of a 'wicky sticket' since Peter is running 11.1. Nothing released prior to December '08 will even run on 11.1... The proverbial rock and a hard place...
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Well i have all but give up on the festering infestation that is ATI , Unfortunatley i can not afford to change the Laptop at the moment and doubt i will be able to for some time (disabled so funds ar scarce althou i do get a bit now and then but even that goes on gas and electric )
But you can be dambed sure when i do replace it ATI will not even get within a mile of the list of machines to look at .
It is just a crying pity that AMD bought into such a heap of pure crap as ATI had they gotten Nvidia we would be ok but ATI has always been suspect to say the least well now we got the proof no support from them AT ALL typical well all i can say is lets hope windows 7 goes tits up then there main source of income has gone then they GOT to start getting real .
Cheers all fior trying to assist roll o9n the day i can afford a new lappy Nvidia rules .
Pete .
Pete,
If I was in your situation (Well, I sort of am, I have 2 laptops with ATI chipsets: a 9600 and X1300), I would downgrade to 11.0 (or I would just spring for the $50 new laptop hard drive and load 11.0). Then I would download the 8-9 driver from the prior releases page at the ati site:
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/previous/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
Then follow the install instructions. Both laptops I have do wonderfully with the 8-9 driver, 100% stable, handle compiz with no problems, and have the best performance of any ATI driver I have ever loaded.
As I mentioned in my prior post, the 11.1 folks are just out of luck if they have ATI driver problems because *nothing* prior to the 8-12 driver will even install on 11.1.
Good luck, and I concur. No laptop or desktop I purchase will ever have ATI in it again. Pitty really, ATI did put out some really good stuff. The 9800 series and X850 All in Wonder cards were screamers. Too bad all Linux support for the cards is now dropped by ATI.
It really leaves you scratching your head as to why a graphics card company would intentionally alienate a segment of its user base, especially in this economy. NVidia, at least has the corporate common sense to provide a legacy driver that works quite well.
Well, ATI lost me years ago (think Gateway AT era), when they posted competitive numbers for their newest and fastest card, which I spec'ed in my purchase. But the driver was always unstable. When I upgraded the driver and clocked the performance, the new driver had simply stepped down the speed to half of what it had in the first (and benchmarked in PC Mag) driver. And I have watched (but never more directly participated) in their treatment of their customers. Caveat emptor. Dan G. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dan Goodman wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
peter nikolic wrote:
On Saturday 04 April 2009, David C. Rankin wrote:
Dave Plater wrote:
From this I think we can conclude that the new driver doesn't work with
11.1 and Peter should either use the older driver you mentioned above or as he mentioned in one of his posts, get an nvidia card. Regards Dave P
Dave,
That's sort of a 'wicky sticket' since Peter is running 11.1. Nothing released prior to December '08 will even run on 11.1... The proverbial rock and a hard place...
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Well i have all but give up on the festering infestation that is ATI , Unfortunatley i can not afford to change the Laptop at the moment and doubt i will be able to for some time (disabled so funds ar scarce althou i do get a bit now and then but even that goes on gas and electric )
But you can be dambed sure when i do replace it ATI will not even get within a mile of the list of machines to look at .
It is just a crying pity that AMD bought into such a heap of pure crap as ATI had they gotten Nvidia we would be ok but ATI has always been suspect to say the least well now we got the proof no support from them AT ALL typical well all i can say is lets hope windows 7 goes tits up then there main source of income has gone then they GOT to start getting real .
Cheers all fior trying to assist roll o9n the day i can afford a new lappy Nvidia rules .
Pete .
Pete,
If I was in your situation (Well, I sort of am, I have 2 laptops with ATI chipsets: a 9600 and X1300), I would downgrade to 11.0 (or I would just spring for the $50 new laptop hard drive and load 11.0). Then I would download the 8-9 driver from the prior releases page at the ati site:
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/previous/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
Then follow the install instructions. Both laptops I have do wonderfully with the 8-9 driver, 100% stable, handle compiz with no problems, and have the best performance of any ATI driver I have ever loaded.
As I mentioned in my prior post, the 11.1 folks are just out of luck if they have ATI driver problems because *nothing* prior to the 8-12 driver will even install on 11.1.
Good luck, and I concur. No laptop or desktop I purchase will ever have ATI in it again. Pitty really, ATI did put out some really good stuff. The 9800 series and X850 All in Wonder cards were screamers. Too bad all Linux support for the cards is now dropped by ATI.
It really leaves you scratching your head as to why a graphics card company would intentionally alienate a segment of its user base, especially in this economy. NVidia, at least has the corporate common sense to provide a legacy driver that works quite well.
Well, ATI lost me years ago (think Gateway AT era), when they posted competitive numbers for their newest and fastest card, which I spec'ed in my purchase. But the driver was always unstable. When I upgraded the driver and clocked the performance, the new driver had simply stepped down the speed to half of what it had in the first (and benchmarked in PC Mag) driver.
And I have watched (but never more directly participated) in their treatment of their customers.
Caveat emptor.
Dan G.
Amen, Let's all pray (and lend a hand) to Matthias, Rafal, Alex and the rest of the guys doing great work with the radeonhd project to develop a viable open Source alternative to the fglrx driver. The project can use all the testing and involvement we can give. OpenSuSE, thankfully, is quite supportive of the project. The mailing list is: radeonhd@opensuse.org I would recommend that anybody caught in this ATI created fiasco test and/or use the latest radeonhd snapshot by downloading the radeonhd driver from the radeonhd git repository and then compiling drm/mesa and the radeonhd driver on you own system. There have been several code changes in the power handling parts of the driver in the past couple of weeks that improve power control that is crucial for laptops. See: radeonhd page http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd git repository install http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3AINSTALL The more people that can contribute by testing and providing feedback to the developers - the sooner we will have a good open-source driver for the hundreds of thousands if not millions of laptops with ATI abandoned hardware. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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